[News] Late For Work 11/4: Updates On WR Tryouts, Jacoby Jones And Breshad Perriman

[rmcjacket23]

Trestman reminds me of Cam Cameron. No feel for the game and as such very poor at situational football.

Yet our offense has actually been quite good this year considering the lack of talent in several key areas.

 

He wouldn't crack my top 5 of problems on this team right now.

[JamesA119]

Trestman reminds me of Cam Cameron. No feel for the game and as such very poor at situational football.

Yet our offense has actually been quite good this year considering the lack of talent in several key areas.

He wouldn't crack my top 5 of problems on this team right now."

Don't forget that he is working out of Kubiak's play book. One could say that he is still new at it, however how could we forget how many times we have bogged down on the offense in critical times in the game. Our 3rd down conversion is way worse than last year's, our red zone scoring is atrocious. How soon we forget! We win a game against the Chargers, and we're all of a sudden an offensive machine. SMH. We are 2-6; we lost to the Browns at M&T stadium. In that game, we were up 14-3 and in position to go up 21-3, but we diddle dallied around till the Browns came back and beat us. There are too many instances like this this season. We are not running the ball well, and quite frankly we have gone too pass happy, in that there have been many instances when we ought to be running the ball, but throw it an deny up getting off the field. I think that that stats Ryan put up is so misleading. If we had lost to the Chargers, I bet you we would be talking about firing Trestman right now

[omar586]

he can't be any worse than MARLON.

[TheFact00]

First i'm going to lay it down. With all do respect to the fans this is how i feel and it's my opinion. First off i think Breshad Perriman is going to be a bust. He has got to be one of the weakest, Slowest healers of all time, I even thought me might be faking his injury, Because he doesn't want to play for the ravens... I know it's so crazy but still the fact that he's been hurt since training camp... is just odd okay. I let his sore knee limp off the team. Now i don't know why the ravens don't want to make a "Big" Splash in signing Nicks...We need splash for crying-out-loud! we could do great things in my opinion with nick but know we settle for these lack luster Wideouts.... is it for money cap who knows but Nicks could of been that guy went for the deep balls. Now i don't understand why we didn't go after Jacoby as well he could of given life to The ravens kickoffs.... and Jacoby is better then all other WR's we have on our team.... again...could it be money?? Listen i understand you have a cap, But if you're being cheap, then you're going to get cheap...Hence the 2-6 record the Ravens have.

[Halshayeji]

First i'm going to lay it down. With all do respect to the fans this is how i feel and it's my opinion. First off i think Breshad Perriman is going to be a bust. He has got to be one of the weakest, Slowest healers of all time, I even thought me might be faking his injury, Because he doesn't want to play for the ravens... I know it's so crazy but still the fact that he's been hurt since training camp... is just odd okay. I let his sore knee limp off the team. Now i don't know why the ravens don't want to make a "Big" Splash in signing Nicks...We need splash for crying-out-loud! we could do great things in my opinion with nick but know we settle for these lack luster Wideouts.... is it for money cap who knows but Nicks could of been that guy went for the deep balls. Now i don't understand why we didn't go after Jacoby as well he could of given life to The ravens kickoffs.... and Jacoby is better then all other WR's we have on our team.... again...could it be money?? Listen i understand you have a cap, But if you're being cheap, then you're going to get cheap...Hence the 2-6 record the Ravens have.

No disrespect taken at all

1- I truily hope your wrong about Perriman. Just on raw talent alone, Perriman (size, speed, how good he made UCF Qbs look) he's a top ten talent and would have been a steal at 26. His knee issue is his only red flag and that's the only reason he fell to us at 26. I hope it's just a matter of him growing into his "man body" and a knee issue that was horribly just mis diagnosed and led to some other weird stuff. That's why the Ravens are trying to play itbextreemly conservative. Let's give the guy a chance before we call him a bust. When I hurt my knee a few years back and was misdiagnosed, I played through pain for over a year. That led to a domino effect. By the time a good doctor looked at me he literally called me out and said I'm crazy for waiting this long. By the end of it I had a partially torn ACL, minescus, and a bruised knee cap. The doctor literally wouldn't clear me until my knee strength could carry 200 percent of my body weight. what sucked even more is that he wouldn't clear me u till he saw me run properly again on a slow motion camera recording my steps. Now that took months as my muscle memory had to re learn how to run in that injured knee that wasn't hurt anymore but got used to compensating while I was injured. Just give the guy a chance. Knees are complicated at times

2- when it comes to our FO not making a splash I honestly don't blame them as the team is 2-6. If we were 6-2 Ozzie would have filled a hole on this roster like he did with monroe and zuttah a year earlier. I'm more disappointed that we didn't bring in a vet during the offseason knowing that our top 2 receivers are a 36 year old and a rookie with no viable backup if one goes down. Crabtree was literally ours to snatch and we just passed on him.

3-JJ is one of my fav guys but even I know that he wouldn't be the best WR on this team. He may not even start but I wouldn't mind having him for the rest of the year. I assume our FO don't wanna look like fools after cutting him and carrying his dead money then allowing him to double dip and come back then if he makes a huge mistake on kickoff or punt. U get what I mean

4-Nicks would really help this team but I'm not sure if that guy still exists. So many teams just passed on him. I don't know if he has the worst agent on the planet or if injuries have really distroyed him. We'll see I guess. But again, imagine how foolish our FO would look if they bring in the most injury prone WR in the NFL to replace an injured 36 year old and an injured first rounder. That would be priceless lol

[Halshayeji]

As Bio referenced, there's an article about the fan fallacies of dead money.

There won't be more room to maneuver. The cap space that "comes off the books" has already been spent on existing player contracts, and that's without accounting for the new dead money (which will likely be substantial) that will inevitably be on our books.

Dead money comes and goes every year and we're still pressed up against the cap, which we likely will be next year.

I could go into more details with you. Contract by contract to show you how much better off we will be next year but I don't think this is the right time to go into all that detail. If you ever pass by Kuwait I'd gladly buy you a cup of coffee and argue with you for an hour lol

The article you mentioned is so unfair and biased that the guy "forgot to mention" that the cap is expected to be closed to 160 mil vs the 144 mil its at this year. The writer also "forgot to mention" that Flacco restructuring his contract could easily easily free up 10 mil in cap. There is no way he plays with a 28 mil cap hit.

If my math is right, that's more than 20 mil right there!

A few shrewed cap moves like taking a few mil off Webbs deal and/or letting go of Elam and ABrown would pay for Tuckers new deal. That just leaves KO to be resigned and we are literally playing with house money.

I don't even remember the last time the Ravens had the option of keeping all their guys going into an off season. Usually it's like "ok who are we willing to let go of and bring someone in at a discount just to balance our books" Next year we get injured players back, option to keep all our current guys, 12 draft pick, and chase a few free agents that Ozzie likes.

This theory if you wanna call it that is the only way we can convince SSS to come back next year and challenge for a title. This is the only reason I haven't lost my mind after losing to the Raiders. Let me say that again WE LOST TO THE AWEFUL RAIDERS!

Edited November 5, 2015 by Halshayeji

[chuchu707]

when/if peeriman returns!

Peeriman and Givens outside

Ross and morgan slot!

Aiken can rotate with Givens

[Guest]

I have no idea who Hemsley is and why we would bother quoting him, but Jacoby Jones can help this team.

Lets not forget the Ravens are 2-6, theres been plenty of mistakes all around, Jacoby Jones would be a positive reaquisition.

[DrinkmoreBeer]

I think Suggs is going to be a bust. He hasn't played a single down since tearing his Achilles.

[rmcjacket23]

Trestman reminds me of Cam Cameron. No feel for the game and as such very poor at situational football.

Yet our offense has actually been quite good this year considering the lack of talent in several key areas.

He wouldn't crack my top 5 of problems on this team right now."

Don't forget that he is working out of Kubiak's play book. One could say that he is still new at it, however how could we forget how many times we have bogged down on the offense in critical times in the game. Our 3rd down conversion is way worse than last year's, our red zone scoring is atrocious. How soon we forget! We win a game against the Chargers, and we're all of a sudden an offensive machine. SMH. We are 2-6; we lost to the Browns at M&T stadium. In that game, we were up 14-3 and in position to go up 21-3, but we diddle dallied around till the Browns came back and beat us. There are too many instances like this this season. We are not running the ball well, and quite frankly we have gone too pass happy, in that there have been many instances when we ought to be running the ball, but throw it an deny up getting off the field. I think that that stats Ryan put up is so misleading. If we had lost to the Chargers, I bet you we would be talking about firing Trestman right now

Zero percent chance of that, considering you can't name an instance where this franchise has fired anybody after 8 games for anything. Fans think coaches are under fire about two years before they actually are. Its called the Cam Cameron effect, and fans don't understand that coaches don't just fire people that easily.

 

He's also NOT working out of Kubiak's playbook... that's a fan myth. He's working with the same terminology as what Kubiak used, nothing more (the same terminology many teams use, such as the Falcons). He kept many of the blocking schemes similar, which also fits the expertise of his OL coach, who implemented those before Kubiak even got here. 

 

Nobody thinks we are an offensive juggernaut obviously, and the SD game has absolutely no relevance on my analysis of the offense. We're scoring 24 PPG on a team with practically no playmakers on offense and an inconsistent and largely unhealthy offensive line. 

 

That greatly exceeds my expectations in basically any way. The same knocks on Trestman were said about Kubiak last year... poor play calling on 3rd down and in the red zone, lack of creativity, etc.

 

We're heard this same stuff from fans for years now, regardless of coordinator.

[rmcjacket23]

I have no idea who Hemsley is and why we would bother quoting him, but Jacoby Jones can help this team. Lets not forget the Ravens are 2-6, theres been plenty of mistakes all around, Jacoby Jones would be a positive reaquisition.

One of the worst returners in the league, and he's the exact same receiver as Chris Givens.

 

Where does he help exactly?

[Halshayeji]

Zero percent chance of that, considering you can't name an instance where this franchise has fired anybody after 8 games for anything. Fans think coaches are under fire about two years before they actually are. Its called the Cam Cameron effect, and fans don't understand that coaches don't just fire people that easily.

He's also NOT working out of Kubiak's playbook... that's a fan myth. He's working with the same terminology as what Kubiak used, nothing more (the same terminology many teams use, such as the Falcons). He kept many of the blocking schemes similar, which also fits the expertise of his OL coach, who implemented those before Kubiak even got here.

Nobody thinks we are an offensive juggernaut obviously, and the SD game has absolutely no relevance on my analysis of the offense. We're scoring 24 PPG on a team with practically no playmakers on offense and an inconsistent and largely unhealthy offensive line.

That greatly exceeds my expectations in basically any way. The same knocks on Trestman were said about Kubiak last year... poor play calling on 3rd down and in the red zone, lack of creativity, etc.

We're heard this same stuff from fans for years now, regardless of coordinator.

As much as I hate that the Ravens hold on to coaches waaaay beyond their expiry date, I understand and respect our FO for it. The good coordinators almost instantly get HC jobs and the bad ones get the chance to steer the ship before departing with them. This is why most coaches love being a part of this team. It hurts in the short term but in the long run the Ravens are always the favorites to land any coordinator they want.

Comparing Trestman to Kupiak is not fair because Kup always had this team start games on fire. That shows how prepared this team was in practice. Opening drives are almost 100 percent on the OC because they almost know the sequence their gonna have. In game adjustments is where Kup struggled with and that was a sign that this team wasn't grasping his system 100 percent. I for one never called for Kupiaks job and am not calling for Trestmans job "yet"

Trestman does need to start games a lot better tho. He needs to cut on the 3 and outs. He also needs to establish the tuning game. I have seen some adjustments he's made since the season started. He's learning how as much as joe is learning his system. oh and you are absolutely right. The playbook is soooo different than Kupiaks playbook. I don't know why people think it's the same....

Pees on the other hand is a whole different story. I hope he is just being given the courtesy of finishing off the season. I seriously don't want him back next year.

[vjclax5]

Perriman is %u201Cweeks away%u201D from a return... yeah? how many? 52?! we are at the halfway point What the heck? are these idiots talking about. That guy is not coming back this season

[Mystigo_Dragon]

Pardon me if I don't jump up and down about ANY news concerning Ravens receivers,... two words that have, recently, seemed like oxymorons!  

No matter who we get, Joe will throw to Aiken and Boyle and everyone will say to the critics: "Oh, Oh, the WRs can't get open, can't run patterns!"

I don't know what's worst about the Offensive game: watching the passing game, listening to pre-season media hype about WR Highlight-Reel catches, or reading fan comments about how great Joe's numbers are during losses! 

At least our run game and Defensive Front-Seven are playing like NFL Pros! 

Edited November 9, 2015 by Mystigo_Dragon