[News] Late For Work 11/4: Updates On WR Tryouts, Jacoby Jones And Breshad Perriman

[FloridalovesRavens]

Jacoby Jones equals more leadership to me. He is worth resigning imo. Would be right price as well. You can never have enough leaders in the locker room. Please bring him back (that is my heart talking by the way). Go Ravens.

[rmcjacket23]

I think that point of saying "Yes, I can play football" has to happen within the next week.  If he says yes, then the Ravens have to decide if they want him to play at the expense of dropping Morgan or someone else to carry 4 TEs.  Personally I think he's done and he and the Ravens will work out the most financially team-friendly exit.

There really is no "financially team friendly exit". He has no guaranteed money left on his deal after this season, and if he retires or gets cut, we won't pay him a dime next season.

 

However, he still carries $6.6M in dead money that can't be wiped away, which would be picked up immediately if he retires. 

[Tenacious Faulker]

I was hoping too. Jacoby would seem to fit. He might be better than the 2 we just signed. We know that he can stretch the field, we really wouldn't have to use him on punts. He would probably come pretty cheap beings that the Chargers are probably paying him part of his money. He is familiar with Flacco.

 

I'm sure our front office knows more about the other guys than I do, so I am not really going to question as to why them and not Jones. They know what they are doing.

I'm proily in the minority here, but I'm glad they "resisted" signing him.  JJ is too inconsistent and never had good hands.  I think he's been more lucky than good over his career.  I like what he's done for us in 2012, but that is the extent of it and he was never a relaible weapon for Joe even in his best year.  We know what we get ith JJ and what he is will not be enough to capialize on the depressed play in the FC that could allow us to sneak into the #6 seed of the playoffs. 

 

I know n ext to nothing of Morgan, but I like his highlites and the potential of what he brings to the team.  He looks like a young SSS to me in limited video and hopefully he can be this year's gem.  I hate that we can't put Perriman on IR because they want to see what he can do IF he returns for the last month or so.  Since they don't even know if he'll be back at all, it seems like a wasted roster spot imo.

[OnlyRavensFanInFlorida]

Every time I see Perriman's name on here I get excited I just cant wait to see an article come out about him actually practicing and eventually playing in games.

[RavensVAfan]

There really is no "financially team friendly exit". He has no guaranteed money left on his deal after this season, and if he retires or gets cut, we won't pay him a dime next season.

 

However, he still carries $6.6M in dead money that can't be wiped away, which would be picked up immediately if he retires. 

I thought I read somewhere that if he's cut post June 1, the cap impact is less severe than being cut prior to June 1 or if he retires.  I also wondered if an injury settlement can do anything to lessen the impact if he retires before this season ends.  Of course he'd have to be willing to do that instead of collecting his $4M.  I think there are ways to make a graceful exit assuming he's willing to take one for the team.

[Tenacious Faulker]

Four stories that give me hope: 1. Ravens don't trade at the deadline, hang on to a pile of draft picks. 2. Ravens are in the top 10 offenses. 3. Smallest point differential for a losing team in NFL history. 4. Harbaugh, Ozzie, Biscotti, and Flacco, are all still around. It's an illusion that this year's Ravens are a bad team, the W/L column tells a distorted story. I know it's a perennial statement of bad team fans to say "just wait until next year," however, the statistics support the claim. The Ravens are solid - contenders even - but victims of a series of unfortunate events. A cache of high draft picks will complement a sound foundation.

I'll agree to a point.  #1 is either the Ravens have enough faith in their players now to hold onto the draft pick, however, at one point is Ozzie's frugality with these commodities counter productive?  I mean, many of these picks recently have not panned out as they hoped and getting the right vet for a few draft picks could be equally beneficial or more.  With most coveted veterans thay are a proven commodity unlike even 70% of the first round picks throughout NFL history.

 

#2 is a consolation prize.  It's a "we're not winning, but at least we got..." scenario to appease angry fans.  In fact, many losing teams with awful defenses have to sling the ball down field, taking chances and going for broke.   Last year alone 3 losing teams ranked in the top 10 offenses with the 7-9 Saints ranked #1.  The other two were 6-10 Giants (10th), 6-10 Falcons (7th).

 

#3 is what I really think is a cause for hope.  The Ravens are perhaps the best 2-6 team in NFL history.  This also seems like a consolation prize except that all games this year were won or lost on a score or less (4.3pts avg).  That means that every game was a winnable situation despite the mistakes, injuries, penalties, bad ref calls, etc.  That means minor adjustments - not major wholesale changes - are needed.  And there are too many people calling for the heads of players and coaches right now.  The situation is still fixable and salvagable and, therefore, hopeful.  However, anymore losses and that window is shut for good.

 

#4 is not about hopeful to me - just good sense.  This is an "accute" issue meaning that its a serious symptom, but is not a protracted "chronic" failure.  As I said about #3 above, its dire but fixable and coaches, even the coordinators, will likely not be fired over it unless they finish 4-12 (worst since 1996).

[rmcjacket23]

I thought I read somewhere that if he's cut post June 1, the cap impact is less severe than being cut prior to June 1 or if he retires.  I also wondered if an injury settlement can do anything to lessen the impact if he retires before this season ends.  Of course he'd have to be willing to do that instead of collecting his $4M.  I think there are ways to make a graceful exit assuming he's willing to take one for the team.

The post-June 1 cut will reduce the cap hit in 2016, but he will still carry the rest forward to 2017. 

 

Pre-June 1 cut : $6.6M hit in 2016, nothing in 2017.

Post-June 1 cut: $2.2M hit in 2016, $4.4M hit in 2017.

 

The $6.6M hit is merely spread out after June 1. There's pros and cons to both options, but the financial impact over time is the exact same. It also doesn't matter if he's cut or retired... same thing applies.

 

I doubt an outright release is going to occur. I think its either he plays or retires. An injury settlement would only add to those cap hits, as it indicates the Ravens are paying him something, which they don't have to.

Edited November 4, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[RavensVAfan]

The post-June 1 cut will reduce the cap hit in 2016, but he will still carry the rest forward to 2017. 

 

Pre-June 1 cut : $6.6M hit in 2016, nothing in 2017.

Post-June 1 cut: $2.2M hit in 2016, $4.4M hit in 2017.

 

The $6.6M hit is merely spread out after June 1. There's pros and cons to both options, but the financial impact over time is the exact same. It also doesn't matter if he's cut or retired... same thing applies.

 

I doubt an outright release is going to occur. I think its either he plays or retires. An injury settlement would only add to those cap hits, as it indicates the Ravens are paying him something, which they don't have to.

With a lot of dead money off the books next year they do have options and as you say there are pros and cons.  I was thinking the injury settlement would lessen the guaranteed money this year which then helps the financial commitment - we'll pay you for eight games - but I don't see any agent going for it.  Thanks for the insight.  It will be interesting to see what happens.

[ravenwildman]

I had heard once of a Breshad Perriman, it was this last summer I believe, but I thought that was just a myth.....I think there was a sighting near M&T once according to unsolved mysteries show, but that was unconfirmed.....does a Perriman exist? We may never know, but the truth is out there! (X-file theme plays) GO RAVENS!

[Smoke0121]

Jacoby Jones equals more leadership to me. He is worth resigning imo. Would be right price as well. You can never have enough leaders in the locker room. Please bring him back (that is my heart talking by the way). Go Ravens.

I don't think Jacoby was really considered a leader, more of a fan favorite.  He was good for a dynamic play or two, and was easy to root of on Dancing with the Stars, but that wasn't enough to justify his roster spot and cap number last year.  Signing him would put us in the same predicament.

[Purplepowers88]

The very bottom of the wide receiver barrel has officially been scraped

[EliteRavens]

We are a top 10 offense with mediocre weapons at receiver... just imagine if we have a top WR for joe to throw to.

[steelcityraven]

I like what JRoss brings to our return game... Not sure Jacoby would currently be an upgrade???? Don't know much about Jacobs or Joe Morgan but hoping they can help (diamond in the rough types). Would love to see Perriman after the break! I think Pitta is done or we would have already heard of plans to insert him into a talent deprived offensive lineup! Too bad... Wouldn't mind seeing Givens continuing his development and keeping him as a 3rd or 4th WR next year. If SSS comes back. Perriman is healthy, Givens (Camp) and a solid draft pick at WR... we may look a lot better then this season (ohhh yea... maybe even Kamar) but pretty sure that Marlon is gone!Finally 3-6 will look a lot better then 1-6! Lets keep rolling

[rmcjacket23]

With a lot of dead money off the books next year they do have options and as you say there are pros and cons.  I was thinking the injury settlement would lessen the guaranteed money this year which then helps the financial commitment - we'll pay you for eight games - but I don't see any agent going for it.  Thanks for the insight.  It will be interesting to see what happens.

Don't get caught up in the "dead money coming off the books" either. It doesn't really mean anything. Its not like we gain cap space by that happening.

[steelcityraven]

Gotta give Trestman and Flacco a lot of credit!

[RavensBaltimore]

In fact, many losing teams with awful defenses have to sling the ball down field, taking chances and going for broke.   Last year alone 3 losing teams ranked in the top 10 offenses with the 7-9 Saints ranked #1.  The other two were 6-10 Giants (10th), 6-10 Falcons (7th).

True, but I don't think that's the case with us, because we haven't been blown out once. Those other teams you mentioned had opportunities to pad their stats against prevent defenses in garbage time. In a game against us last year, I think Drew Brees had about 100 meaningless yds late in the game that we basically gave to him with very conservative zone coverage. There hasn't really been any garbage time in our games, because they've all come down to pretty much the final play. I think the fact that we have a top 10 offense, despite so many injuries and no speed whatsoever, is a good sign. 

[budman]

I like what JRoss brings to our return game... Not sure Jacoby would currently be an upgrade???? Don't know much about Jacobs or Joe Morgan but hoping they can help (diamond in the rough types). Would love to see Perriman after the break! I think Pitta is done or we would have already heard of plans to insert him into a talent deprived offensive lineup! Too bad... Wouldn't mind seeing Givens continuing his development and keeping him as a 3rd or 4th WR next year. If SSS comes back. Perriman is healthy, Givens (Camp) and a solid draft pick at WR... we may look a lot better then this season (ohhh yea... maybe even Kamar) but pretty sure that Marlon is gone!Finally 3-6 will look a lot better then 1-6! Lets keep rolling

Agree-I like JRoss also and in that respect, Jones wouldn't be an upgrade.

The 2 guys we signed are pretty much journeymen fillers.

It's just my opinion but I think if we see Perriman at all it will be in Miami. He could make his debut in front of family & Friends.

I also agree that Givins has been somewhat impressive and it looks like he can progress in this offense.

Yes I believe that M.Brown will not be here next year.

Of course these are just my opinions. Good post though.

[thecommish]

Wonder if we still bring Jacoby in just to add a slot WR presence for when Perriman does return? If there is no slot presence and now Without SSS we wont be able to truly evaluate Perriman the same (as a speedster who can take the top off of a defense and as a big play threat). Jacoby at slot and Perriman taking the top off.. make a defense pick their poison... Giving us a better view of Perrimans skill set / strengths /weaknesses and allowing us to better know how to compliment him heading into 2016??????/

[RavensVAfan]

Don't get caught up in the "dead money coming off the books" either. It doesn't really mean anything. Its not like we gain cap space by that happening.

My point is the money that is counted against the cap for Ngata, Rice, and Jones this year won't be consuming cap space next year so there will be more room to maneuver.

[crazyboutravens]

Who is Perriman. Oh the WR who doesn't play but gets paid... Truly wish we would not even mention him until he actually plays for us.

[Dorota]

Are you saying you think Pitta will come back next year, or that he is done?  At what point, exactly, does he say, "Yes, I can play football?"  How much waiting is too much waiting?

I don't have the answers, just sharing my opinions, that may be limited in knowledge. What I'm saying is, I don't think Dennis Pitta will play football. Based of what I've read about hip dislocations and what opinions some physicians shared it seems that it's an injury that tends to be recurrent, among other things, for the hip to dislocate, a part of the socket has to break off and is missing, making it easier to dislocate again. Also, there are some major arteries around hips that might suffer damage and lead to issues down the line, such as soft tissue necrosis or chronic pains.

I might be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. For Pitta's sake especially.

[burnstr19]

Oh my goodness. Stop it with the Trestman love - it is easy to put up numbers when you are down. Just look at what he did with the Bears? I will take a win over a Top 10 'statistically speaking' offense any day.

Also - Trestman blew plenty of play calls this year that resulted in loses - Denver, Cincy, and there will be more.

Trestman is the problem folks Injuries WR Scouts for the organization our drafting the last 5 years.

[purpledown]

i agree standing pat was the best move for the Ravens. Go Ravens!

[JamesA119]

Yeah Perriman is weeks away from playing. The season is weeks away from being over.

[JamesA119]

Trestman reminds me of Cam Cameron. No feel for the game and as such very poor at situational football.

[bioLarzen]

My point is the money that is counted against the cap for Ngata, Rice, and Jones this year won't be consuming cap space next year so there will be more room to maneuver.

 

Here's somthing to read about it:

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/10/29/baltimore-ravens-salary-cap/the-myths-about-salary-cap-dead-money/

Edited November 5, 2015 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

The very bottom of the wide receiver barrel has officially been scraped

 

... quite some time ago.

[omar586]

and how long will dis Morgan chill on bench before he plays? 2 weeks??

[rmcjacket23]

My point is the money that is counted against the cap for Ngata, Rice, and Jones this year won't be consuming cap space next year so there will be more room to maneuver.

As Bio referenced, there's an article about the fan fallacies of dead money.

 

There won't be more room to maneuver. The cap space that "comes off the books" has already been spent on existing player contracts, and that's without accounting for the new dead money (which will likely be substantial) that will inevitably be on our books.

 

Dead money comes and goes every year and we're still pressed up against the cap, which we likely will be next year.

[rmcjacket23]

and how long will dis Morgan chill on bench before he plays? 2 weeks??

Well he's the 5th or 6th WR right now, so yes probably at least that long.