Jacoby Jones released..

[thieverycorporation]

He's not going to return here unless theres an injury to another two recovers. Dumping money into a lost cause only bolsters the problem. But I really would have given Wes Welker a call for at least a tryout. What we need is a consistent pass catcher in the middle and on quick slants. We really never had that for years.

Edited November 4, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[1/28/01]

you just said a few comments back that Morgan actually isn't a punt returner. So that isn't the ONLY aspect I listed where Jacoby has benefit. Never hurts to have another returner on the team. I'm sure a lot of fans do feel that way, but as I just explained I'm not one of them. It made sense to cut him at the time, and it makes sense to give him a look now. We are in the market for a receiver due to the dire injury situation and the timing with him being released is a legit reason for the idea to be entertained. To be honest I'm not and never was a big fan of the guy, I liked him but he was a huge liability. Regardless it just makes sense.

Don't waste your time.

[TSizzle00]

Good point. I've always wondered why that is, especially on defense.

 

Very much so on defense. Torrey Smith is headed for a career low. Call it a QB situation at the 49ners but it was his choice to chase the money.

[TSizzle00]

He's not going to return here unless theres an injury to another two recovers. Dumping money into a lost cause only bolsters the problem. But I really would have given Wes Welker a call for at least a tryout. What we need is a consistent pass catcher in the middle and on quick slants. We really never had that for years.

 

Maybe if this was a few years ago. He was turning Peyton Manning passes into butterfingers. If you can't catch passes from Tom Brady or Manning anymore it only goes down hill from there lol.

[Kid87]

I feel like JJ and Ross are the same.. expect Ross hands are like a B...JJ's hands are like a D+

[TSizzle00]

I feel like JJ and Ross are the same.. expect Ross hands are like a B...JJ's hands are like a D+

 

JJ overall is like a C- WR good for maybe 2 flash catches per game but nothing consistent.

[sflegend89]

Doesn't matter one way or another at this point, same goes for the rest of our roster moves. Front Office is already looking into the offseason, we just needed bodies to get us through the season.

[January J]

Well evidentally harbaugh is atleast entertaining the idea as well..

Otherwise he would have laughed it off or just shut down that idea immediately.

I don't think it's about wanting to see any antics or anybody dancing on the sidelines ..it's about us needing a receiver ( receivers ) ; him being available( and affordable) ; and having few other alternatives. Nothing more.

Edited November 4, 2015 by January J

[rmcjacket23]

Well evidentally harbaugh is atleast entertaining the idea as well..

Otherwise he would have laughed it off or just shut down that idea immediately.

I don't think it's about wanting to see any antics or anybody dancing on the sidelines ..it's about us needing a receiver ( receivers ) ; him being available( and affordable) ; and having few other alternatives. Nothing more.

Right, so its change for change sake. As a receiver (which I'd argue he shouldn't even be considered one at this point), he's the exact same player as Chris Givens or Joe Morgan, who we just signed. I see literally no difference between them.

 

So then we'd have three guys who do the same thing and none of them do it very well. To me, that just sounds like we're just signing somebody just for the sake of signing them.

[January J]

Right, so its change for change sake. As a receiver (which I'd argue he shouldn't even be considered one at this point), he's the exact same player as Chris Givens or Joe Morgan, who we just signed. I see literally no difference between them.

 

So then we'd have three guys who do the same thing and none of them do it very well. To me, that just sounds like we're just signing somebody just for the sake of signing them.

to be honest I don't even like the idea either. I just can't deny that it does sort of make sense. It's not signing somebody for the sake of signing them, it's signing him because we need bodies. Everybody knows he's not going to turn our season around and that he wouldn't be back next season if we did bring him in..But we need to get through this season first and joe needs receivers to throw to- he's a somewhat enticing option who can potentially fill two positions. And the fans like him. From biscottis perspective it may even be a smart play from a monetary standpoint...in a losing season he is somebody that sells jerseys and tickets. Not that it matters to any of us but I'm sure Jacoby's box office appeal will be part of the discussion in the FO...and who knows maybe that will even hurt his chances.

I mean if we are doing our due diligence on these other guys from the bottom of the barrel why not atleast consider it? It just makes sense...luckily harbaugh realizes that. Not that I think we will pull the trigger anyway. Highly doubtful.

[rmcjacket23]

to be honest I don't even like the idea either. I just can't deny that it does sort of make sense. It's not signing somebody for the sake of signing them, it's signing him because we need bodies. Everybody knows he's not going to turn our season around and that he wouldn't be back next season if we did bring him in..But we need to get through this season first and joe needs receivers to throw to- he's a somewhat enticing option who can potentially fill two positions. And the fans like him. From biscottis perspective it may even be a smart play from a monetary standpoint...in a losing season he is somebody that sells jerseys and tickets. Not that it matters to any of us but I'm sure Jacoby's box office appeal will be part of the discussion in the FO...and who knows maybe that will even hurt his chances.

I mean if we are doing our due diligence on these other guys from the bottom of the barrel why not atleast consider it? It just makes sense...luckily harbaugh realizes that. Not that I think we will pull the trigger anyway. Highly doubtful.

But we already signed two guys, so we don't need any more bodies right now.

 

I don't really think Jacoby has much box office appeal at this stage. He was getting booed quite loudly before he left.

[Grapple Raven]

If the Ravens brought Jacoby back, I would be elated.  Anything that would bring something positive to the fan base and energize them, would carry over the to players and that in no way is a negative in any sense. At this point in our season, with a lot of home games coming up, anything that energizes, pushes and motivates is welcome imho.  Harbs even spoke to that fact in a recent presser.

 

Jacoby would be an added option to stretch the field, and that would help the short passing game and the run game on the offensive side.

 

A returner is only as good as the unit blocking for him.  We have a pretty good special teams unit at this point, and I would love to see what Jacoby could do behind Mostert and a couple of others blocking for him. You best believe if Jacoby was back there on game days, teams would be game planning for him.

[January J]

But we already signed two guys, so we don't need any more bodies right now.

 

I don't really think Jacoby has much box office appeal at this stage. He was getting booed quite loudly before he left.

And one of them to the PS. That gives us 5 if we activate Morgan and until (if) perriman comes back. Wouldn't hurt to add one more with the way players have been dropping like flies & it would cost us peanuts. Sometimes I think you hate things just for the sake of hating them. If something is "trendy" or makes even the smallest splash you oppose it even if it makes sense.

[rmcjacket23]

If the Ravens brought Jacoby back, I would be elated.  Anything that would bring something positive to the fan base and energize them, would carry over the to players and that in no way is a negative in any sense. At this point in our season, with a lot of home games coming up, anything that energizes, pushes and motivates is welcome imho.

 

Jacoby would be an added option to stretch the field, and that would help the short passing game and the run game on the offensive side.

 

A returner is only as good as the unit blocking for him.  We have a pretty good special teams unit at this point, and I would love to see what Jacoby could do behind Mostert and a couple of others blocking for him. You best believe if Jacoby was back there on game days, teams would be planning for him.

Actually, these days, half the time a returner doesn't need blocking at all, because he isn't actually running anywhere.

 

These days, its about decision making. When to bring the ball out and when not to. As we saw on Sunday, when to let the ball drop and when to catch it.

 

Those are the kinds of things that go unnoticed in the box score. Letting a ball drop that rolls a good 15-20 yards down field and pinning your offense inside the five yard line isn't a great decision, particularly when fielding the punt was easy.

 

You've got to try really hard to get negative yardage on kick returns these days, and he accomplished that this season.

[rmcjacket23]

And one of them to the PS. That gives us 5 if we activate Morgan and until (if) perriman comes back. Wouldn't hurt to add one more with the way players have been dropping like flies & it would cost us peanuts. Sometimes I think you hate things just for the sake of hating them. If something is "trendy" or makes even the smallest splash you oppose it even if it makes sense.

Morgan is on the active roster and is 6th WR on the active roster (Aiken, Brown, Butler, Givens, Morgan and Ross...excluding Perriman). Jacobs is on the PS, so Jacoby would basically be the 8th.

 

In this case, yes, very much against the "trendy" picks. As is the case with most things in life, when the general public goes one way, sprint the other direction. You're going to be right more often than not doing that, particularly when it comes to sports.

 

I am amused by the notion of Jacoby being considered a "splash" at this stage though. Maybe for my wife, who is a big Dancing with the Stars fan, but even she knows poor football play when she sees it.

Edited November 4, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[January J]

Actually, these days, half the time a returner doesn't need blocking at all, because he isn't actually running anywhere.

 

These days, its about decision making. When to bring the ball out and when not to. As we saw on Sunday, when to let the ball drop and when to catch it.

 

Those are the kinds of things that go unnoticed in the box score. Letting a ball drop that rolls a good 15-20 yards down field and pinning your offense inside the five yard line isn't a great decision, particularly when fielding the punt was easy.

 

You've got to try really hard to get negative yardage on kick returns these days, and he accomplished that this season.

can't argue with that- his decision making was the main reason we cut him and probably will be the same reason we pass on him again. And Ross has been doing a fine job.

[January J]

Morgan is on the active roster and is 6th WR on the active roster (Aiken, Brown, Butler, Givens, Morgan and Ross...excluding Perriman). Jacobs is on the PS, so Jacoby would basically be the 8th.

 

In this case, yes, very much against the "trendy" picks. As is the case with most things in life, when the general public goes one way, sprint the other direction. You're going to be right more often than not doing that, particularly when it comes to sports.

 

I am amused by the notion of Jacoby being considered a "splash" at this stage though. Maybe for my wife, who is a big Dancing with the Stars fan, but even she knows poor football play when she sees it.

but you can't fail to give something it's due diligence just bc its "trendy" and do the opposite of popular opinion just for the sake of it. It's obviously something worse considering - and harbaughs comment confirms that. Now I believe this debate has run its course.

[rmcjacket23]

but you can't fail to give something it's due diligence just bc its "trendy" and do the opposite of popular opinion just for the sake of it. It's obviously something worse considering - and harbaughs comment confirms that. Now I believe this debate has run its course.

True, but fans don't care about due diligence. Its either you sign him or you don't in their eyes.

 

The "trendy" aspect of this comes completely from the fans. I doubt Ozzie is kicking the tires on anybody because the general public wants him to. He knows better than that.

[bMore Heathen]

LMAO... I got a +1 and you're sitting at -1, with the same answer.

What sense does it make to bring him back? Is it so fans can complain about how worthless he is, again?

That's the beauty of mobile. Don't see it, don't care... Lol

[Purple Nurple]

FREE DRAGONFLY JONES!!!!

At least we'd have the joy of occasional amazing TD celebrations, so there's that.

[Raving_Heathen]

I 100% blame Brynden Trawick for JJ's regression. I'm kind of joking but kind of not. It's really messed up though that he's still somehow on this team, and JJ was given the boot. Sign me up as one of those people who'd welcome JJ back for no other reason than nostalgia. Even if he somehow costs us a game here or there, what does it really matter at this point?

[Guest]

People who leave the Ravens generally do not do well at all. Jones is simply another one of those people.

 

Theres no blocking anywhere in San Diego....its amazing Rivers is putting up the yards that he is.

 

Good thing you used the word "generally" because Pernell McPhee is tearing it up for the Bears. A monster.

[Purple_City39]

Theres no blocking anywhere in San Diego....its amazing Rivers is putting up the yards that he is.

 

Good thing you used the word "generally" because Pernell McPhee is tearing it up for the Bears. A monster.

The real test for McPhee will be next season.  Many have left the Ravens defense and had one good season before fading to obscurity (Scott, Thomas, Ellerbe, for example).  Even Kruger was rumored to be on the trading block

 

On topic, don't be surprised if Jacoby isn't on anybody's roster's at the end of the season

[TSizzle00]

If the Ravens brought Jacoby back, I would be elated.  Anything that would bring something positive to the fan base and energize them, would carry over the to players and that in no way is a negative in any sense. At this point in our season, with a lot of home games coming up, anything that energizes, pushes and motivates is welcome imho.  Harbs even spoke to that fact in a recent presser.

 

Jacoby would be an added option to stretch the field, and that would help the short passing game and the run game on the offensive side.

 

A returner is only as good as the unit blocking for him.  We have a pretty good special teams unit at this point, and I would love to see what Jacoby could do behind Mostert and a couple of others blocking for him. You best believe if Jacoby was back there on game days, teams would be game planning for him.

 

That would last about as long until he fumbled a punt return or dropped an easy third down pass IMO

[TSizzle00]

Theres no blocking anywhere in San Diego....its amazing Rivers is putting up the yards that he is.

 

Good thing you used the word "generally" because Pernell McPhee is tearing it up for the Bears. A monster.

 

Well its not something that exists with 100% certainty, most of the time players who leave simply do not play well but exceptions do exist. I loved Paul Krugers energy when he was with the Ravens. He's only had 1/3 good seasons with the Browns though. I'll always wonder what he might have done for the Ravens.

[Guest]

The real test for McPhee will be next season.  Many have left the Ravens defense and had one good season before fading to obscurity (Scott, Thomas, Ellerbe, for example).  Even Kruger was rumored to be on the trading block

 

On topic, don't be surprised if Jacoby isn't on anybody's roster's at the end of the season

 

Yeah?....well, I'm just not buying into the notion that "we let guys walk that are seconds".  Don't buy it for a moment.

 

Most of our "walk aways" go to teams in crisis with less supporting cast. Regarding Kruger, the Browns are the Browns, except now they can beat us.

 

Dannell Ellerbe can't stay healthy, but he played phenomenally for New Orleans when he came back. Now he's injured again. The fact that Joe Philbin didn't appreciate him is not surprising. Philbin let Vonte Davis go too.  Philbin got canned for a reason...He couldn't evaluate talent.

 

We are 2-6, theres been plenty of mistakes here to go around too.

[rmcjacket23]

Yeah?....well, I'm just not buying into the notion that "we let guys walk that are seconds".  Don't buy it for a moment.

 

Most of our "walk aways" go to teams in crisis with less supporting cast. Regarding Kruger, the Browns are the Browns, except now they can beat us.

 

Dannell Ellerbe can't stay healthy, but he played phenomenally for New Orleans when he came back. Now he's injured again. The fact that Joe Philbin didn't appreciate him is not surprising. Philbin let Vonte Davis go too.  Philbin got canned for a reason...He couldn't evaluate talent.

 

We are 2-6, theres been plenty of mistakes here to go around too.

Ellerbe also played horrendously awful in Miami, so there's that. The head coach has nothing to do with that.

 

The issue with a lot of these guys is that when they played for us they were mostly the complementary/#2 guys for a substantial period of time. So when Kruger is paid $8M a year, he's not expected to be the #2 guy... he's expected to be the #1 guy. He's the one that commands double teams and gets the defense's attention.

 

In many cases, this hasn't worked out that well for them.

[Purple_City39]

Yeah?....well, I'm just not buying into the notion that "we let guys walk that are seconds".  Don't buy it for a moment.

 

Most of our "walk aways" go to teams in crisis with less supporting cast. Regarding Kruger, the Browns are the Browns, except now they can beat us.

 

Dannell Ellerbe can't stay healthy, but he played phenomenally for New Orleans when he came back. Now he's injured again. The fact that Joe Philbin didn't appreciate him is not surprising. Philbin let Vonte Davis go too.  Philbin got canned for a reason...He couldn't evaluate talent.

 

We are 2-6, theres been plenty of mistakes here to go around too.

Scott went to a stacked Jets defense and played next to David Harris who was doing well at that time.  Their run defense and pass defense both highly rated, he flopped after one season.

Thomas went to the Patriots when he was considered the most versatile defender in the NFL and they never saw that versatility play out.  Fans wanted him gone before his 3rd season but the team cut him after that when they were ranked well so the defense was good (11th in yards, 5th in points).  He's not played since.

 

You can look up most players.  They leave and do well for one season at most then fall off.  The only exceptions I can think of, of players that played at the same level or better, were Rod Woodson and Dawan Landry.

[redrum52]

He's a Steeler now. Would love to hear him and Tomlin first convo.

[sflegend89]

Doesn't matter one way or another at this point, same goes for the rest of our roster moves. Front Office is already looking into the offseason, we just needed bodies to get us through the season.

 

^ Said it when he was released, didn't matter if we signed him or not, he's done. Jacoby just collecting checks at this point, that ring made him comfortable, it does for a lot of players. Jacoby's legacy is set, Mile High Miracle, TD return in the SB, SB champion, he has nothing left to prove. When you have nothing left to prove you lose your edge, your hunger.