Could Ravens make a move for Calvin Johnson?

[Dr. Kelley]

no no and no, on the other hand does anyone remember why we didnt snatch andre the giant

Because he just hasn't been the same since the hulkster bodyslammed him at wrestlemania

[ravensdan]

Exactly! The Panthers definitely come to mind here. /thread

I don't think the Panthers would make a bad move like that either. They're doing a good job building their team the right way. I know this team wouldn't make a bad decision like this.

Golden Tate would be a much better move if he were available.

Edited November 9, 2015 by ravensdan

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Yeah why not. I wouldn't mind trading a second round pick for Mega. Aiken is meh, while Perriman is starting to look like a bust

How exactly is Perriman looking like a bust?

You have to see something to know what it "looks" like.

Yes it's taking longer to heal than anyone expected. But it will heal. And then he will play. Once that happens and he's played a while feel free to share what you think he "looks" like, but until then that's just a blind statement based on nothing.

Or if you want to stick with the opinion that he's looking like a bust, then just clarify that with the fact that you also thought Jimmy Smith looked like a bust. And Odell Beckham. And another hundred players who missed a majority if not all of their rookie seasons yet went on to be very good young players.... So that way at least we have a basis for the credibility of that opinion, which is none really.

That's not to say I or anyone knows he'll pan out. That'd be just as blind. I just prefer to actually see something before I make an assessment as to what that player actually is.

[usmccharles]

How exactly is Perriman looking like a bust?

You have to see something to know what it "looks" like.

Yes it's taking longer to heal than anyone expected. But it will heal. And then he will play. Once that happens and he's played a while feel free to share what you think he "looks" like, but until then that's just a blind statement based on nothing.

Or if you want to stick with the opinion that he's looking like a bust, then just clarify that with the fact that you also thought Jimmy Smith looked like a bust. And Odell Beckham. And another hundred players who missed a majority if not all of their rookie seasons yet went on to be very good young players.... So that way at least we have a basis for the credibility of that opinion, which is none really.

That's not to say I or anyone knows he'll pan out. That'd be just as blind. I just prefer to actually see something before I make an assessment as to what that player actually is.

Yea i dont get people's mindset when saying he's a bust.  That means Kevin White and Donte Fowler are busts already, which i highly doubt they are. 

[Winchester]

CJ's cap hit for the team that receives his contract if traded:

 

2016: $16 mil

2017: $16.5 mil

2018: $17 mil

2019: $18.25 mil

 

That contract is nearly untradable. CJ is still very good when healthy, but at this point in his career (age 30+), he cannot be making that kind of money. Only a team with tons of cap space could afford him. 

 

Now if he's cut by Det then all bets are off, since you know Ozzie loves FAs who don't count against the comp. picks formula. We will actually have some cap space to play with down the line after cutting a few people and restructuring or extending Flacco. It's a shame we didn't cut Webb and Pitta before June 1 of this season--we could have just suffered all of that dead money in 1 season (one in which we were bad anyway) but hindsight is 20/20.

You need a crystal ball to see a player with 2 hip surgeries is done as aa viable player?? And why is the Calvin Johnson contract so bad for a 30 yr old but a 32 yr old guard gets a new deal averaging nearly $9mil and everybody applauds?? Don't get me wrong I do not want Calvin at that $$.

[Militant X 1]

No!

[flynismo]

You need a crystal ball to see a player with 2 hip surgeries is done as aa viable player?? And why is the Calvin Johnson contract so bad for a 30 yr old but a 32 yr old guard gets a new deal averaging nearly $9mil and everybody applauds?? Don't get me wrong I do not want Calvin at that $$.

Probably because the 32 yo guard is the best in the league, and players at his position fare better in their 30s; whereas the WR is clearly on the downslope of his career.

 

But still....the thought of 50 yard bombs to a 6'5" beast like Megatron is quite tempting

[Winchester]

Probably because the 32 yo guard is the best in the league, and players at his position fare better in their 30s; whereas the WR is clearly on the downslope of his career.

 

But still....the thought of 50 yard bombs to a 6'5" beast like Megatron is quite tempting

Actually dude it is quite similar. Take all the best guard's dating back to Larry Allen and since then. Hutchinson, Mankins, Shields,Faneca they all began declining at 31-32. By 33-34 they were cut or traded. ALL OF THEM. There are scientific facts that show when a person carries bodyfat over 15% that the body breaks down from its physical peak at a younger age. Arteries get hard and clogged, joints get overworked and eroded, endurance wanes and movement becomes more labored. When a player is in their 20s their joints are fresh and smooth,muscles,ligaments and tendons are peaked and contract explosively, blood vessels are elastic and clean and carry an abundance of oxygen and nutrients. So you see DTs that move like LBs when they are young. Yanda can remain solid through technique,grit and power but he will not be dominant or explosive much longer.

I agree my friend, Flacco and Johnson would be formidable. But that is a lot of $$ for a 30 yr old WR. I do agree however the ravens need a young legit #1 WR to build chemistry with joe. Not these undrafted, practice squad, castoff and over the hill WRs.

[flynismo]

Actually dude it is quite similar. Take all the best guard's dating back to Larry Allen and since then. Hutchinson, Mankins, Shields,Faneca they all began declining at 31-32. By 33-34 they were cut or traded. ALL OF THEM. There are scientific facts that show when a person carries bodyfat over 15% that the body breaks down from its physical peak at a younger age. Arteries get hard and clogged, joints get overworked and eroded, endurance wanes and movement becomes more labored. When a player is in their 20s their joints are fresh and smooth,muscles,ligaments and tendons are peaked and contract explosively, blood vessels are elastic and clean and carry an abundance of oxygen and nutrients. So you see DTs that move like LBs when they are young. Yanda can remain solid through technique,grit and power but he will not be dominant or explosive much longer.

I agree my friend, Flacco and Johnson would be formidable. But that is a lot of $$ for a 30 yr old WR. I do agree however the ravens need a young legit #1 WR to build chemistry with joe. Not these undrafted, practice squad, castoff and over the hill WRs.

What is considered "normal" body fat? Not for pro athletes; for the regular joe..I'm right around 15% so that's kinda worrisome to hear.

nm, I just took one of those calcutors online, I'm at 10% and says that's "healthy"

Edited November 11, 2015 by flynismo

[Winchester]

What is considered "normal" body fat? Not for pro athletes; for the regular joe..I'm right around 15% so that's kinda worrisome to hear.

nm, I just took one of those calcutors online, I'm at 10% and says that's "healthy"

About 10-14% bodyfat is good. The older you get the lower you want it. Below 8% you have trouble with joints when you reach mid 30's. You need to have it tested by a pro to know for sure. Good luck

[PurpleCity5]

I'd have to look into Calvin's cap # to see whether or not he would he worth trading for, if another team is desperate maybe they send a pick. We surely aren't making a trade, the only way he gets here is if he gets cut.

Honestly, I heavily doubt he'll end up here, but you'd have to think, isn't he tired of losing every year? I mean the Detroit Lions have been nothing but a laughing stock as of recent memory. I surely believe he's tired of not only playing in an offensive system that fails every year and a QB who hasn't been the same since he threw 40 TDs.(which by the way Stafford was very underrated that year).

If so, then maybe he'll be willing to take a small pay cut to come here. We've been a model org. for years, teams loathe at our success and we know what it takes to win a SB. We just need to get the right pieces and we'll be back in contention.

I'm going to quit playing with hypotheticals since this is a silly idea, but people can dream, right?

Edited November 13, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[redrum52]

Why not put in a package deal for Julio, Beasley and Trufant? Makes more sense.

[Inqui]

Why not put in a package deal for Julio, Beasley and Trufant? Makes more sense.

Those three for a sixth-rounder. If they're hesitant to take the deal we can explain that since we suck this year it'll likely be a high pick so they're getting good value.

[redrum52]

Those three for a sixth-rounder. If they're hesitant to take the deal we can explain that since we suck this year it'll likely be a high pick so they're getting good value.

Good to see someone else purchased the trade package with their extra XP.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Actually dude it is quite similar. Take all the best guard's dating back to Larry Allen and since then. Hutchinson, Mankins, Shields,Faneca they all began declining at 31-32. By 33-34 they were cut or traded. ALL OF THEM. There are scientific facts that show when a person carries bodyfat over 15% that the body breaks down from its physical peak at a younger age. Arteries get hard and clogged, joints get overworked and eroded, endurance wanes and movement becomes more labored. When a player is in their 20s their joints are fresh and smooth,muscles,ligaments and tendons are peaked and contract explosively, blood vessels are elastic and clean and carry an abundance of oxygen and nutrients. So you see DTs that move like LBs when they are young. Yanda can remain solid through technique,grit and power but he will not be dominant or explosive much longer.

I agree my friend, Flacco and Johnson would be formidable. But that is a lot of $$ for a 30 yr old WR. I do agree however the ravens need a young legit #1 WR to build chemistry with joe. Not these undrafted, practice squad, castoff and over the hill WRs.

With O-lineman, especially on the interior their individual age isn't as much an indicator for decline as is the combined age of the entire unit.

The "rule of 150." Lines tend to see a sharp decline when the combined age of the 5 players exceeds 150 or an average of 30 years old.

Since they often play in a phone booth, older centers and guards can succeed later in their 30's even with diminishing athleticism so long as they're technicians and have quality younger players around them.

Yanda also appears to be a rare exception. He's always been a great to dominant guard, but he's actually improved over the past 3 years... A guy who was already near the top of the game still improving into his 30's is rare, and what's most important about that is it suggests that unlike most he's yet to hit his peak or is only hitting it now...

All the examples you listed - in your own words - began declining at 31-32. Yanda's still ascending at 31-32. It's highly unlikely that any player would go from being the unquestioned best player at his position (and arguably one of the top 5 players regardless of position) to a sharp decline in just 1 or 2 years. I think he'll continue to play at a pro bowl level another 2-3 years.

WR's on the other hand aren't playing in a unit. They play in space and much of what makes most effective is speed, acceleration, leaping ability, and quickness. All of which declines exponentially after 30. Refining route running, and really perfecting the nuances of receiving can prolong a career, but rarely do receivers continue to improve beyond their 30's.

Either way, the generalities don't matter. These posts discuss 2 specific players. Calvin makes nearly twice as much and has hit a sharp decline the past 2 years while consistently struggling with injuries. Yanda will be making half as much, is clearly the better player right now, hasn't dealt with any injuries, and against the odds has continued to improve his game into his 30's.

One feels like a lot more of a sure thing to continue being great for another 3 years. The other.. Wouldn't be surprising if he's a shell of himself in 3 years.

[Winchester]

With O-lineman, especially on the interior their individual age isn't as much an indicator for decline as is the combined age of the entire unit.

The "rule of 150." Lines tend to see a sharp decline when the combined age of the 5 players exceeds 150 or an average of 30 years old.

Since they often play in a phone booth, older centers and guards can succeed later in their 30's even with diminishing athleticism so long as they're technicians and have quality younger players around them.

Yanda also appears to be a rare exception. He's always been a great to dominant guard, but he's actually improved over the past 3 years... A guy who was already near the top of the game still improving into his 30's is rare, and what's most important about that is it suggests that unlike most he's yet to hit his peak or is only hitting it now...

All the examples you listed - in your own words - began declining at 31-32. Yanda's still ascending at 31-32. It's highly unlikely that any player would go from being the unquestioned best player at his position (and arguably one of the top 5 players regardless of position) to a sharp decline in just 1 or 2 years. I think he'll continue to play at a pro bowl level another 2-3 years.

WR's on the other hand aren't playing in a unit. They play in space and much of what makes most effective is speed, acceleration, leaping ability, and quickness. All of which declines exponentially after 30. Refining route running, and really perfecting the nuances of receiving can prolong a career, but rarely do receivers continue to improve beyond their 30's.

Either way, the generalities don't matter. These posts discuss 2 specific players. Calvin makes nearly twice as much and has hit a sharp decline the past 2 years while consistently struggling with injuries. Yanda will be making half as much, is clearly the better player right now, hasn't dealt with any injuries, and against the odds has continued to improve his game into his 30's.

One feels like a lot more of a sure thing to continue being great for another 3 years. The other.. Wouldn't be surprising if he's a shell of himself in 3 years.

[BmoreBird22]

His most likely destination will be Oakland. He can mentor a young receiver with the same mentality, play with a young, upcoming quarterback and team, and make bank since the Raiders could have almost $80M in cap to spend

[Winchester]

With O-lineman, especially on the interior their individual age isn't as much an indicator for decline as is the combined age of the entire unit.

The "rule of 150." Lines tend to see a sharp decline when the combined age of the 5 players exceeds 150 or an average of 30 years old.

Since they often play in a phone booth, older centers and guards can succeed later in their 30's even with diminishing athleticism so long as they're technicians and have quality younger players around them.

Yanda also appears to be a rare exception. He's always been a great to dominant guard, but he's actually improved over the past 3 years... A guy who was already near the top of the game still improving into his 30's is rare, and what's most important about that is it suggests that unlike most he's yet to hit his peak or is only hitting it now...

All the examples you listed - in your own words - began declining at 31-32. Yanda's still ascending at 31-32. It's highly unlikely that any player would go from being the unquestioned best player at his position (and arguably one of the top 5 players regardless of position) to a sharp decline in just 1 or 2 years. I think he'll continue to play at a pro bowl level another 2-3 years.

WR's on the other hand aren't playing in a unit. They play in space and much of what makes most effective is speed, acceleration, leaping ability, and quickness. All of which declines exponentially after 30. Refining route running, and really perfecting the nuances of receiving can prolong a career, but rarely do receivers continue to improve beyond their 30's.

Either way, the generalities don't matter. These posts discuss 2 specific players. Calvin makes nearly twice as much and has hit a sharp decline the past 2 years while consistently struggling with injuries. Yanda will be making half as much, is clearly the better player right now, hasn't dealt with any injuries, and against the odds has continued to improve his game into his 30's.

One feels like a lot more of a sure thing to continue being great for another 3 years. The other.. Wouldn't be surprising if he's a shell of himself in 3 years.

So you think the home team player is more likely to be dominant longer?? Shocker!! Hands while having a good year is not as dominant as last year. I'm not surprised he has been better the last couple yrs. Management finally left him at his best position. I said back in early 2008 Yanda would be better than Grubbs. But coaching needed to let him stay at guard and gear towards that position such as bulking up for the interior.

Yanda can succeed into his 30s but not dominate.He is the recognized best guard as was Hutchinson and Faneca and their play fell off overnight. It is what happens to guys weighing 320lbs. WRs usually do not have their best season at or after 30. Except for Brandon Lloyd. Now that dude never got opportunity before that is shameful to any team he played for!! Anyways to be honest I have not watched Johnson much. However peers say he is the same player. His production could of dropped off because of his erratic QB and erratic incompetent coaching and structure. Was not Randy Moss supposed to have diminished skills before breaking the TD record?? I doubt anyways Johnson is brought in. And if he is it would a restructured pay.

[Drew P]

Will you settle for Nate Washington?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

His most likely destination will be Oakland. He can mentor a young receiver with the same mentality, play with a young, upcoming quarterback and team, and make bank since the Raiders could have almost $80M in cap to spend

1. Dibs on the Raiders in the forum mock game

2. Yeah I could see that. Carr to Megatron scares the hell out of me tbh.

And damn. Their biggest FA next season is Donald Penn. They might dominate the market and turn into a SB contending team.....

[RaineV1]

1. Dibs on the Raiders in the forum mock game

2. Yeah I could see that. Carr to Megatron scares the hell out of me tbh.

And damn. Their biggest FA next season is Donald Penn. They might dominate the market and turn into a SB contending team.....

Even worse, Carr to Megatron with Amari Cooper being the number 2 receiver of the team. That is terrifying.

Edited November 14, 2015 by RaineV1

[Inqui]

Even worse, Carr to Megatron with Amari Cooper being the number 2 receiver of the team. That is terrifying.

Just imagine if Amari played well enough to relegate Megatron to #2 in that situation.

[RaineV1]

Just imagine if Amari played well enough to relegate Megatron to #2 in that situation.

It wouldn't completely surprise me if Cooper still kept the top stop on the depth chart. They aren't that far apart from each other in terms of talent and Cooper is likely to get better with time, while Megatron seems to be slowing down a bit. It's just a matter of which top ten talent receiver is slightly better at this point in their careers.

Edited November 14, 2015 by RaineV1

[PurpleCity5]

Vincent Jackson is a poor mans Calvin Johnson, he makes much more sense.

[cobrajet]

He is declining, getting injured too much, and would not be worth the money he would demand. He is not the Megatron of years past.

[Guest]

At this stage in his Career Calvin Johnson would be tantamount to an Anquan Boldin acquisition, albeit coming to a weakened Ravens team. We'd pay him his 9 million for one or two years and then ask him to take a pay cut or waive him.

If CJ is smart he'll look elsewhere even if offered a spot here down the road.

Its all about next year anyway and we should have more options later.

Edited November 14, 2015 by Danny D

[PurpleCity5]

He is declining, getting injured too much, and would not be worth the money he would demand. He is not the Megatron of years past.

At this stage I'd take him but you're right, its too costly. Still, this is a fun topic lol.