Where do we pick?

[Sami84]

that's a good point, I share the same feeling.

 

Well if it makes anyone feel better i say theres a very solid chance we lose out and get the 5th pick. That will def give us Ramsey and probably hargreaves.

 

4-12 

[JoeyFlex5]

I wouldn't even sniff at jaylon smith, he isn't a 3-4 linebacker in my eyes, id take myles jack though because the dude can line up at safety or cb and excel in limited roles, hes a special type of player

[xxDarby]

I wouldn't even sniff at jaylon smith, he isn't a 3-4 linebacker in my eyes, id take myles jack though because the dude can line up at safety or cb and excel in limited roles, hes a special type of player

myles jack at cb?

[Dubs]

myles jack at cb?

I don't think he means literally every play but as a scheme package on occasion, or follow a RB out (For example, Duke Johnson manhandled us yesterday doing this, he would likely be comfortable following a player like him)...I am guessing JF5 means like how we once used Adalius Thomas when we lined him up outside on the corner on occasion or how the Patriots move Jamie Collins around.

[ravefan52]

I keep saying this, but I do think we'll lose out. I think we end up at 5/6 and still get be able to select one of VH3, Ramsey, Stanley or Nkimdiche (Assuming Bosa and Tunsil are gone). Hargreaves could still be there as CB's usually don't go that high and Ramsey should be there if teams view him as a safety. That'd be awesome if a team took Ramsey over VH3 cuz of measurables/athleticism/versatility and VH3 falls right into our laps.

If we pick a little later then I'm probably pulling for Treadwell then Ogbah.

[Sami84]

I keep saying this, but I do think we'll lose out. I think we end up at 5/6 and still get be able to select one of VH3, Ramsey, Stanley or Nkimdiche (Assuming Bosa and Tunsil are gone). Hargreaves could still be there as CB's usually don't go that high and Ramsey should be there if teams view him as a safety. That'd be awesome if a team took Ramsey over VH3 cuz of measurables/athleticism/versatility and VH3 falls right into our laps.

If we pick a little later then I'm probably pulling for Treadwell then Ogbah.

 

i agree. the fins game though is critical as its the only one left ..however despite their woes..they are still better than the browns and lets no kid ourselves..we were lucky to win that.

 

I'm starting to warm to the idea of getting ogbah. I just think he's a really good fit for us..is it value at 6th pick? no probably not..but i'm still feeling adamant that an OLB 3-4 is what we need in the first round and he reminds me of suggs a lot

[PurpleCity5]

At the 8 spot my top 5 would be Hargreaves, Stanley, Ogbah, Ramsey, and Lawson in order.

Edited December 1, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[ravensnation5220]

At the 8 spot my top 5 would be Hargreaves, Stanley, Ogbah, Ramsey, and Lawson in order.

Im a little surprised you put ogbah and stanley ahead of ramsey. I understand people are starting to second guess him but hes been a star since he was a freshman on a record setting national championship defense. Let alone I think his versatility puts him ahead of them 2, hes played 3 years in a row at different positions and has excelled in each

[JoeyFlex5]

myles jack at cb?

no, like line up there on occasion, he has done it in college and has played like a safety as well. he is the kind of guy that can basically take away the intermediate-center of the field. he is a rare and new type of weapon who is tailor made for todays NFL, id take many players over him but we could do much worse than myles jack.

[JoeyFlex5]

Im a little surprised you put ogbah and stanley ahead of ramsey. I understand people are starting to second guess him but hes been a star since he was a freshman on a record setting national championship defense. Let alone I think his versatility puts him ahead of them 2, hes played 3 years in a row at different positions and has excelled in each

stanley has been viewed pretty closely to ramsey in terms of value for a while now, and ogbah is very high for some people, including me, ramsey has a lot of red flags.

[PurpleCity5]

Im a little surprised you put ogbah and stanley ahead of ramsey. I understand people are starting to second guess him but hes been a star since he was a freshman on a record setting national championship defense. Let alone I think his versatility puts him ahead of them 2, hes played 3 years in a row at different positions and has excelled in each

I'm not second guessing Ramsey at all, but I really like Stanley and Ogbah, especially Ogbah, he just stands out to me. I still would love to have Ramsey here though, my opinions on him haven't changed while my opinions on Ogbah have, I think he's a really good prospect honestly. 

[Winchester]

Tunsil is the best prospect in the draft. He is Walter Jones but with a punch that could knock a defender 5 yard off the ball. I have not watched to much of Ogden in college. But Tunsil is the most impressive left tackle prospect I ever saw. As much as I like Bosa, Tunsil is the only player I am interested in the ravens getting!! My opinion he is the next best left tackle in the NFL. He could knock the wind out of a defenses plan. He along with Yanda, Osemele,Urschel at center and and Wagner completely back to form from his injury will be almost unfair!! My opinion Urschel will be a better center than Zuttah by week 17.

That is an oline across the board that not only seals defensive players but mauls and takes the attack to the defensive lineman and drive them off the ball and take their will to win. The ravens could run any game plan as Joe Cool will feel comfortable going through progressions and throw from a clean pocket with proper mechanics. Receivers will have time to work open and Allen and West will have consistently run into the open field. Ravens will wear down defenses and control the ball. Ravens would only need to find a couple competent receivers. The Oline would have a legit shot of being one of the best ever.

[redlobster]

Tunsil is the best prospect in the draft. He is Walter Jones but with a punch that could knock a defender 5 yard off the ball. I have not watched to much of Ogden in college. But Tunsil is the most impressive left tackle prospect I ever saw. As much as I like Bosa, Tunsil is the only player I am interested in the ravens getting!! My opinion he is the next best left tackle in the NFL. He could knock the wind out of a defenses plan. He along with Yanda, Osemele,Urschel at center and and Wagner completely back to form from his injury will be almost unfair!! My opinion Urschel will be a better center than Zuttah by week 17.

That is an oline across the board that not only seals defensive players but mauls and takes the attack to the defensive lineman and drive them off the ball and take their will to win. The ravens could run any game plan as Joe Cool will feel comfortable going through progressions and throw from a clean pocket with proper mechanics. Receivers will have time to work open and Allen and West will have consistently run into the open field. Ravens will wear down defenses and control the ball. Ravens would only need to find a couple competent receivers. The Oline would have a legit shot of being one of the best ever.

 

So you have Tunsil starting at LT (what happened to Monroe?) and KO re-signed? , Trading Monroe will cause a $6.6 million cap hit and only $2.1 million in savings and then you have to find money for KO who has been getting hurt quite often it seems.

[January J]

Tunsil is the best prospect in the draft. He is Walter Jones but with a punch that could knock a defender 5 yard off the ball. I have not watched to much of Ogden in college. But Tunsil is the most impressive left tackle prospect I ever saw. As much as I like Bosa, Tunsil is the only player I am interested in the ravens getting!! My opinion he is the next best left tackle in the NFL. He could knock the wind out of a defenses plan. He along with Yanda, Osemele,Urschel at center and and Wagner completely back to form from his injury will be almost unfair!! My opinion Urschel will be a better center than Zuttah by week 17.

That is an oline across the board that not only seals defensive players but mauls and takes the attack to the defensive lineman and drive them off the ball and take their will to win. The ravens could run any game plan as Joe Cool will feel comfortable going through progressions and throw from a clean pocket with proper mechanics. Receivers will have time to work open and Allen and West will have consistently run into the open field. Ravens will wear down defenses and control the ball. Ravens would only need to find a couple competent receivers. The Oline would have a legit shot of being one of the best ever.

that's a nice thought but I don't think we will be able to retain KO. We will most likely have to let him walk for cap purposes. Or maybe we could use him as trade bait? I was really hoping we would end up Infront of the Browns and trade picks with them and get joe Thomas in the deal so we could go with another position round 1.

[Winchester]

So you have Tunsil starting at LT (what happened to Monroe?) and KO re-signed? , Trading Monroe will cause a $6.6 million cap hit and only $2.1 million in savings and then you have to find money for KO who has been getting hurt quite often it seems.

Monroe could compete at right tackle. He or Wagner would be backup. Monroe has no trade value anyways!! Who in their right mind would trade for him?? KO's injuries will drive down his value on the open market. Monroe rarely plays. And is overrated when he does. Just because the ravens overpayed him does not make him a quality player.

[Ravens4Real]

Wouldn't take Jaylon Smith, Myles Jack, or Jack Conklin with a top 15 pick if the others above are still there.

Wouldn't touch Treadwell either, with a top 10 pick. A WR that high needs to be a for sure thing. Treadwell isn't.

[January J]

Going with where we will most likely be picking I'm starting to think that it may actually be between Ramsey and ogbah. Hopefully Hargreaves will hang around and make it to us just in time. I'm starting to think that we may fall to around ten and we will win 2 or maybe even 3 more games.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm beginning to think very highly of trading back for an extra second. I've gotten on the Kearse bandwagon a bit, he isn't the rangiest guy but I like his coverage skills, i see very little drop off from him and Ramsey, and they seem like very similar skill sets. Also the Lawson rushers have grown on me and I could see either of them here after getting good value on a trade back and then trading back up for a fuller or alexander.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I'm beginning to think very highly of trading back for an extra second. I've gotten on the Kearse bandwagon a bit, he isn't the rangiest guy but I like his coverage skills, i see very little drop off from him and Ramsey, and they seem like very similar skill sets. Also the Lawson rushers have grown on me and I could see either of them here after getting good value on a trade back and then trading back up for a fuller or alexander.

I personally prefer Kearse to Ramsey. I like his coverage and ballhawking skills substantially better.

[JoeyFlex5]

I personally prefer Kearse to Ramsey. I like his coverage and ballhawking skills substantially better.

I thought I was the only one.I pigeon holed him as a chancellor type because of his size but I thought he seemed much rangier than that.I've become a fan if we believe we can get him after trading back into the first, I don't like him as or top pick

[RavensFanMania]

so basically we will miss out on everyone we want.

not necessarily.  There are QB's that will be  taken before we pick and possibly two of them. 

[RavensFanMania]

In that scenario I'm drafting Treadwell. He'd be the best player if Hargreaves is already gone.

I would definitely be ok with that. Believe Treadwell has tons of potential.  Having Perriman and him would be a nice young core along with hopefully SSS.  Kamar Aiken could  be the 4th receiver. 

[Maryland]

I think Ozzie will/should be looking really seriously at trading up this year for Tunsil. He was eager to trade up for Mack a couple seasons ago, so we know he's not opposed to trading up if he thinks it's worth it.

 

LT is so dire right now. Ozzie has a part-time starter he'd probably like to cut in Monroe; the FA options aren't very good and cost a compensatory pick to acquire in most cases; he doesn't even have a LT prospect to develop; this is the closest he'll ever be to the top for awhile (so trading up won't cost as much); compensatory picks are tradable and he'll have some good ones.

 

Unless he wants to sign Okung (who is just as injury-prone as Monroe), Donald Penn (good run blocker, weak vs speed rushers), Jake Long (even worse than Monroe in every way), Cordy Glenn (franchise tagged). Broncos could cut Clady, but he's got injury problems too. Will Beatty will probably be cut, but he's softer than Monroe. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm warming up to the thought of perriman and treadwell together, assuming they are who we thought they were, it is a tandem eerily similar to our super bowl tandem, and it would be real nice to have a grown up Joe helping bring that duo along from day 1. A guy as explosive as perriman and a guy as physical and reliable as treadwell with our TE group, that is a team identity right there.

Edit: eerily similar but still different I should say, since I think a healthy perrimans floor is about where torreys ceiling is and treadwell could have a much higher ceiling than boldin

Edited December 3, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[January J]

I'm warming up to the thought of perriman and treadwell together, assuming they are who we thought they were, it is a tandem eerily similar to our super bowl tandem, and it would be real nice to have a grown up Joe helping bring that duo along from day 1. A guy as explosive as perriman and a guy as physical and reliable as treadwell with our TE group, that is a team identity right there.

Edit: eerily similar but still different I should say, since I think a healthy perrimans floor is about where torreys ceiling is and treadwell could have a much higher ceiling than boldin

that would be a quite intriguing scenario. Like the idea of the duo. Esp paired with a FA vet. Aiken in the 4th spot, camp in the 5th and the rest can duke it out for the 6th.

[Inqui]

I'm warming up to the thought of perriman and treadwell together, assuming they are who we thought they were, it is a tandem eerily similar to our super bowl tandem, and it would be real nice to have a grown up Joe helping bring that duo along from day 1. A guy as explosive as perriman and a guy as physical and reliable as treadwell with our TE group, that is a team identity right there.

Edit: eerily similar but still different I should say, since I think a healthy perrimans floor is about where torreys ceiling is and treadwell could have a much higher ceiling than boldin

Tbh I don't think it'd be that similar to the Super Bowl run, with Treadwell being faster than Boldin and Perriman having better size and more aggressive hands than Torrey. It'd be a really nice WR group though, some real punch in the red zone - which is actually a need for us that I don't think is far behind a better secondary. I don't think he'd be BPA at 8, but Treadwell would fill a really underrated need.

[JoeyFlex5]

Tbh I don't think it'd be that similar to the Super Bowl run, with Treadwell being faster than Boldin and Perriman having better size and more aggressive hands than Torrey. It'd be a really nice WR group though, some real punch in the red zone - which is actually a need for us that I don't think is far behind a better secondary. I don't think he'd be BPA at 8, but Treadwell would fill a really underrated need.

my edit stated that it's not the same, but the guy who flies down the field paired with the tough possession guy

[ravensnation5220]

stanley has been viewed pretty closely to ramsey in terms of value for a while now, and ogbah is very high for some people, including me, ramsey has a lot of red flags.

i feel like this has to be the year we look over those red flags. I mean. If we end up somewhere with like the 8th pick id want ramsey to fall. Hes the kind of talented freak athlete we need. I was watching his freshman tape because thats how i feel we would use him as a hybrid nickle corner and as a rangy safety where i think he could excell at in the nfl. He can later be groomed into whatever we need him to be i feel ogbah is a great prospect but im afraid he doesny bring the versatility that ramsey brings to the table. And hey if people have a problem with his attitude the more i think he should be a raven. He would piss teams off when hes on the feild and i feel like we desperately need some swagger on this team, i also would love stanley but if we want to do anything next year i feel we need a real impact rookie in the first round. Not sure an offensive lineman could do that for us

[ravensnation5220]

I'm not second guessing Ramsey at all, but I really like Stanley and Ogbah, especially Ogbah, he just stands out to me. I still would love to have Ramsey here though, my opinions on him haven't changed while my opinions on Ogbah have, I think he's a really good prospect honestly.

i do think ogbah is a freak and would be a great pick and an immediate boost to our pass rush. However i would take ramsey or hargreaves over him. But ogbah would be my next choice regardless of who is left. I just hope we dont pass on those guys for treadwell. If theyre not there then yes take treadwell but other than that i wouldnt take him. Im also not big on the idea of a offensive tackle although i would understand the pick, I feel it wouldnt be the impact player we need to make a run next year.

[JoeyFlex5]

i feel like this has to be the year we look over those red flags. I mean. If we end up somewhere with like the 8th pick id want ramsey to fall. Hes the kind of talented freak athlete we need. I was watching his freshman tape because thats how i feel we would use him as a hybrid nickle corner and as a rangy safety where i think he could excell at in the nfl. He can later be groomed into whatever we need him to be i feel ogbah is a great prospect but im afraid he doesny bring the versatility that ramsey brings to the table. And hey if people have a problem with his attitude the more i think he should be a raven. He would piss teams off when hes on the feild and i feel like we desperately need some swagger on this team, i also would love stanley but if we want to do anything next year i feel we need a real impact rookie in the first round. Not sure an offensive lineman could do that for us

looking past red flags with our first high pick I. a long time could make a bust that much worse. I like Ramseys swagger a well but I think there are bigger red flags than that, like a lack of range on the back end