Where do we pick?

[BmoreBird22]

should have given jimmys money to pernell.

Except, Jimmy is playing on his fifth year option, so there really was no money left for McPhee... It's not like the Ravens used 2015 cap for Jimmy in 2015. They declared his fifth year option prior to the 2014 season. But good try.

[GrimCoconut]

Except, Jimmy is playing on his fifth year option, so there really was no money left for McPhee... It's not like the Ravens used 2015 cap for Jimmy in 2015. They declared his fifth year option prior to the 2014 season. But good try.

Haters gonna hate. 

 

I don't think Jimmy played up to his pay this year, but I do see him trying to still come back from the injury. I guess that's not a big deal to most, but a Lisfranc has ended careers. While I don't believe that's the case for Jimmy Smith, I do think it's something more people should respect. I get it that he's the fan-favorite whipping boy around here, which is made even worse now that he got a deal, but man...it's tiring.

[Winchester]

I'm thinking San Fran needs a QB bad and makes a trade with Cleveland, but I have a feeling that in their mind that Cleveland is not selecting a QB so they will wait it out. Im really hoping that either Tunsil or Bosa falls to us so its not the end of the world if Titans select Bosa.

So far I would definitely take Tunsil over Bosa. I have not watched Tunsil very much. But I hear a little more burst off the snap and flexibility to bend would like to be seen from him. Tunsil roumd1 and perhaps trade back into late round1 for Doctson Boyd or Thomas. Complete the offensive line and the offense to be elite and be built to play ball control while having a top shelf offense and win a shootout when necessary. And look for defensive help in rounds3-7. Or perhaps even draft another receiver in mid rounds if value is there. But for most part look for defensive help after Tunsil and a receiver. My opinion sometimes it helps the team more to focus on one side of the board to set your offense or defense up to be dominant for several yrs. A great example of that is the rams. When the rams drafted Holt after acquiring Green at QB and Faulk. Some in their management wanted some defense help. Clearly completing the offense was the way to go!! Then rams made a mistake!! Some wanted to draft Khalil Mack over Robinson. Rams hoped for Donald with their later round1 pick but were split on mack and Robinson. The rams defense would be set for yrs and elite if management would of focused on completing their defensive side of the ball. Adding Mack to Donald and their young defense would made for a formidable defense. Just as an elite left tackle and stud receiver completes an all around formidable dominating offensive line and offense. Then allows to focus on defense.

[Winchester]

I'm thinking San Fran needs a QB bad and makes a trade with Cleveland, but I have a feeling that in their mind that Cleveland is not selecting a QB so they will wait it out. Im really hoping that either Tunsil or Bosa falls to us so its not the end of the world if Titans select Bosa.

So far I would definitely take Tunsil over Bosa. I have not watched Tunsil very much. But I hear a little more burst off the snap and flexibility to bend would like to be seen from him. Tunsil roumd1 and perhaps trade back into late round1 for Doctson Boyd or Thomas. Complete the offensive line and the offense to be elite and be built to play ball control while having a top shelf offense and win a shootout when necessary. And look for defensive help in rounds3-7. Or perhaps even draft another receiver in mid rounds if value is there. But for most part look for defensive help after Tunsil and a receiver. My opinion sometimes it helps the team more to focus on one side of the board to set your offense or defense up to be dominant for several yrs. A great example of that is the rams. When the rams drafted Holt after acquiring Green at QB and Faulk. Some in their management wanted some defense help. Clearly completing the offense was the way to go!! Then rams made a mistake!! Some wanted to draft Khalil Mack over Robinson. Rams hoped for Donald with their later round1 pick but were split on mack and Robinson. The rams defense would be set for yrs and elite if management would of focused on completing their defensive side of the ball. Adding Mack to Donald and their young defense would made for a formidable defense. Just as an elite left tackle and stud receiver completes an all around formidable dominating offensive line and offense. Then allows to focus on defense.

[PurpleCity5]

So far I would definitely take Tunsil over Bosa. I have not watched Tunsil very much. But I hear a little more burst off the snap and flexibility to bend would like to be seen from him. Tunsil roumd1 and perhaps trade back into late round1 for Doctson Boyd or Thomas. Complete the offensive line and the offense to be elite and be built to play ball control while having a top shelf offense and win a shootout when necessary. And look for defensive help in rounds3-7. Or perhaps even draft another receiver in mid rounds if value is there. But for most part look for defensive help after Tunsil and a receiver. My opinion sometimes it helps the team more to focus on one side of the board to set your offense or defense up to be dominant for several yrs. A great example of that is the rams. When the rams drafted Holt after acquiring Green at QB and Faulk. Some in their management wanted some defense help. Clearly completing the offense was the way to go!! Then rams made a mistake!! Some wanted to draft Khalil Mack over Robinson. Rams hoped for Donald with their later round1 pick but were split on mack and Robinson. The rams defense would be set for yrs and elite if management would of focused on completing their defensive side of the ball. Adding Mack to Donald and their young defense would made for a formidable defense. Just as an elite left tackle and stud receiver completes an all around formidable dominating offensive line and offense. Then allows to focus on defense.

Yeah I would pick Tunsil over Bosa as well, to me in the very least he is the #1 prospect in the draft. I would be really happy if we got him and I can understand why you love him so much lol. If Im the Ravens, I would tender Kamar, sign a FA WR, draft Tunsil in the 1st if he is there if not Bosa or Stanley, then after that I would go defense in the 2nd round and grab Pharoah Cooper in the 3rd round. Its all defense after the 3rd IMO.

Edited December 20, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Inqui]

Haters gonna hate. 

 

I don't think Jimmy played up to his pay this year, but I do see him trying to still come back from the injury. I guess that's not a big deal to most, but a Lisfranc has ended careers. While I don't believe that's the case for Jimmy Smith, I do think it's something more people should respect. I get it that he's the fan-favorite whipping boy around here, which is made even worse now that he got a deal, but man...it's tiring.

Yeah, I haven't been saying it much (mainly because I haven't been posting in RT as much this year, which I don't regret in the slightest), but a Lisfranc injury is serious business. It's one of those injuries where even after the rehab it can take months for the player to regain confidence in that foot (I said something similar about Reggie Wayne's knee last season). If he still struggles next season that's more of a concern, but I think until then he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

 

In a way, I'm glad he injured his thigh today - there's no reason to rush him back now and it shouldn't linger beyond this season. Hopefully we just shut him down for the season so he can come back fresh next year with a point to prove (and a better pass rush in front of him).

Edited December 21, 2015 by Inqui

[Inqui]

A provisional look at the new top 10 as things stand.

 

1. Tennessee Titans: 3-11 (.495 strength of schedule) 
2. Cleveland Browns: 3-11 (.529 SOS) 
3. Baltimore Ravens: 4-10 (.514 SOS) 
4. San Diego Chargers: 4-10 (.524 SOS) 

5. Detroit Lions: 4-9 (.529 SOS)** 
6. San Francisco 49ers: 4-10 (.534 SOS) 
7. Dallas Cowboys: 4-10 (.543 SOS) 
8. Jacksonville Jaguars: 5-9 (.466 SOS) 
9. Miami Dolphins: 5-9 (.476 SOS) 
10. New Orleans Saints: 5-8 (.514 SOS)**

 

The Lions and Saints playing tomorrow means we'll have to wait to get a more accurate look in (booo). No really dramatic moves aside from the Chargers falling behind us while we move into the top three. But realistically I think their SoS will drop while ours rises, so unless they get another win I think they'll jump in front of us again.

 

I can see the Cowboys SoS staying pretty steady from here, so it's just a matter of whether we catch them. The next seven days will be really telling about both the Lions and the Sailboats.

[GrimCoconut]

A provisional look at the new top 10 as things stand.

 

1. Tennessee Titans: 3-11 (.495 strength of schedule) 

2. Cleveland Browns: 3-11 (.529 SOS) 

3. Baltimore Ravens: 4-10 (.514 SOS) 

4. San Diego Chargers: 4-10 (.524 SOS) 

5. Detroit Lions: 4-9 (.529 SOS)** 

6. San Francisco 49ers: 4-10 (.534 SOS) 

7. Dallas Cowboys: 4-10 (.543 SOS) 

8. Jacksonville Jaguars: 5-9 (.466 SOS) 

9. Miami Dolphins: 5-9 (.476 SOS) 

10. New Orleans Saints: 5-8 (.514 SOS)**

 

The Lions and Saints playing tomorrow means we'll have to wait to get a more accurate look in (booo). No really dramatic moves aside from the Chargers falling behind us while we move into the top three. But realistically I think their SoS will drop while ours rises, so unless they get another win I think they'll jump in front of us again.

 

I can see the Cowboys SoS staying pretty steady from here, so it's just a matter of whether we catch them. The next seven days will be really telling about both the Lions and the Sailboats.

They (SD) play the Raiders (6-8) & the Broncos (11-3 or 10-4) while we play the  Steelers (8-6 or 9-5) and the Bengals (11-3). They (SD) could realistically beat either team, especially the Raiders, while the Ravens look to lose out. 

 

I think we may well end up ahead of them. The Browns, meanwhile, go to KC & then have PIT at home. While I expect them to also lose out, I think they could pull off a surprise win somewhere.

[rmw10]

They (SD) play the Raiders (6-8) & the Broncos (11-3 or 10-4) while we play the  Steelers (8-6 or 9-5) and the Bengals (11-3). They (SD) could realistically beat either team, especially the Raiders, while the Ravens look to lose out. 

 

I think we may well end up ahead of them. The Browns, meanwhile, go to KC & then have PIT at home. While I expect them to also lose out, I think they could pull off a surprise win somewhere.

 

And then the Titans are just awful.

[Cillmatic]

Honestly, there's no one in this draft is want to take #3. Bosa and Tunsil will likely be gone and there's a DEAD drop off after that. I'm not against trading back quite a ways, maybe get a player like one of the good coverage linebackers or maybe even Treadwell.

Kinda wavering on Hargreaves, his Kentucky tape makes me worry.

Edited December 21, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Inqui]

They (SD) play the Raiders (6-8) & the Broncos (11-3 or 10-4) while we play the  Steelers (8-6 or 9-5) and the Bengals (11-3). They (SD) could realistically beat either team, especially the Raiders, while the Ravens look to lose out. 

 

I think we may well end up ahead of them. The Browns, meanwhile, go to KC & then have PIT at home. While I expect them to also lose out, I think they could pull off a surprise win somewhere.

A SD win wouldn't be completely out of the question, especially with how the Raiders faded late the first time they met. And you never know how the Broncos will play in week 17 (for all we know they could have the division wrapped up and decide Peyton needs another audition). But if both sides lose out I'd expect SD to move ahead of us.

[GrimCoconut]

And then the Titans are just awful.

...yeah. I can't see them doing much, but you never know. Crazier things have happened, I suppose. Lol.

[GrimCoconut]

Honestly, there's no one in this draft is want to take #3. Bosa and Tunsil will likely be gone and there's a DEAD drop off after that. I'm not against trading back quite a ways, maybe get a player like one of the good coverage linebackers or maybe even Treadwell.

I don't know if they will both be gone. It's possible, I agree, but there are scenarios where they may not be gone. 

[Cillmatic]

I don't know if they will both be gone. It's possible, I agree, but there are scenarios where they may not be gone.

I don't know who else the Titans or Browns would get. I like your hopeful thinking though. Edited December 21, 2015 by Cillmatic

[GrimCoconut]

I don't know who else the Titans or Browns would get.

The Browns do their own thing, man. They could go in any direction. Titans may get a trade offer from a team that wants a QB, trade up for a QB, and take them #1, while they move back. I think that's certainly possible. I don't think the trade value will be strong this year, honestly. Not a lot of elite talent to force such a move. When the Dolphins traded up for Jordan and gave up their first round (12th overall) & 2nd round picks to do it. Hardly expensive considering the range from 12 to 3. 

 

I think this may be a similar scenario and situation this year. 

[JO_75]

Looking at the remaining schedules for every current 4 win team and Browns/Titans if they decide to win one game before the end of the year and join the 4 win log jam.

 

- Titans Remaining Schedule: Texans & Colts. With the QB situation for both, it's possible the Titans get one but I think they stay at three wins. 

 

- Browns Remaining Schedule: Chiefs & Steelers. No wins here, they stay at three wins.

 

- Cowboys Remaining Schedule: Bills & Redskins: At the least they get one win from the imploding Bills, maybe the Redskins again. So remove them from the 4 win log jam.

 

- 49ers Remaining Schedule: Lions & Rams. They stay at 4 wins remaining in the log jam. 

 

- Chargers Remaining Schedule: Raiders & Broncos. It's possible they can win out and go from 4 to 6 wins but they at least beat the Raiders. Remove them from the log jam.

 

- Lions Remaining Schedule: Saints, 49ers & Bears. They can beat the 49ers and maybe the Bears giving them 5/6 wins to end the year. 

 

Projection: Ravens & 49ers both finish out the year 4-12 and based on SOS we should get the 3rd pick and 49ers fourth but our SOS keeps going up so we may end up fourth. This is what I think happens.

[Winchester]

Sf could beat the lions or rams. I do not think Tunsil and Bosa will be the top 2 picks My opinion a QB will step up in the draft process. If the dude from North Dakota played for a bigger school he could be #1 overall. Ravens could get Tunsil #3. I would trade the round3 pick to move up and secure Tunsil if necessary!! Then go receiver round2 and put forward a dominating offensive line and offense. Then fix the defense later in this draft and next draft. Great offenses are instantly a super bowl contender. As everybody has viewed many times. No matter who you have on defense a team has to win a shootout at some point. It is the modern NFL. So lets get the ravens there!! Dominating Oline and prolific yet ball control offense. Then focus on building the defense. An offense fronting Joe Cool at qb Tunsil,Osemele,Urschel,Yanda and Wagner at Oline with Gilmore and a much improved Maxx at TE and Campanaro Aiken SS and an early round2 Receiver and 2 young promising running backs could score enough to win any game while playing ball control and limiting opposing teams offenses opportunities. And that dominating Oline will command a nickname!!

Edited December 21, 2015 by Winchester

[JoeyFlex5]

Haters gonna hate.

I don't think Jimmy played up to his pay this year, but I do see him trying to still come back from the injury. I guess that's not a big deal to most, but a Lisfranc has ended careers. While I don't believe that's the case for Jimmy Smith, I do think it's something more people should respect. I get it that he's the fan-favorite whipping boy around here, which is made even worse now that he got a deal, but man...it's tiring.

seriously, what do people not understand about a Lisfranc? The first year returning is always a disaster, if they even return. It is a major injury with a long recovery time. People just complain with absolutely no understanding off the big picture

[JO_75]

Per SB Nation, as we still wait on whether the Lions win or lose tomorrow here is the official order. We sit fourth in the order as the Chargers have a weaker SOS than us at the moment thus they are picking third.

 

1. Titans

2. Browns 

3. Chargers(.516 SOS)

4. Ravens(.518 SOS)

5. Cowboys

6. 49ers

7. Lions

8. Saints

9. Jaguars

10. Dolphins

11. Bears

12. Buccaneers

13. Giants

14. Colts

15. Raiders

16. Eagles

17. Bills

18. Rams

19. Falcons

20. Jets

[PurpleCity5]

Per SB Nation, as we still wait on whether the Lions win or lose tomorrow here is the official order. We sit fourth in the order as the Chargers have a weaker SOS than us at the moment thus they are picking third.

 

1. Titans

2. Browns 

3. Chargers(.516 SOS)

4. Ravens(.518 SOS)

5. Cowboys

6. 49ers

7. Lions

I got the feeling San Diego is going to pull off an upset next week against Oakland. 

[pep_meister]

say we went tusil, what do we do with monroe? surely we keep him since we'd only save 2.5M on the cap? pretty expensive depth. not opposed in anyway but think we need immediate help on defense or WR. 

 

but nice to know we basically have 2 first rounders since pats lost theirs. Tunsil and a WR in rd 1/2 would be super exciting for the pre season none the less. 

Edited December 21, 2015 by pep_meister

[sflegend89]

The more I watch this team the less excited I get about VH3 and Ramsey. I really want Tunsil or Bosa, those are the guys who will make a profound difference, not a DB.

 

I'm really getting excited about the possibility of Bosa, just remember that Texans fans booed JJ Watt when he was drafted and scouts had their share of criticism for him as well. Just because there are criticisms made on Bosa doesn't mean he can't be an elite player, at the end of the day the kid has the size, athleticism, and talent to go very far at the next level. If Bosa has anywhere near the type of work ethic Watt does he will be a hell of a player and difference maker. Right now he's at the top of my wish list but I also would be thrilled with Tunsil.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

say we went tusil, what do we do with monroe? surely we keep him since we'd only save 2.5M on the cap? pretty expensive depth. not opposed in anyway but think we need immediate help on defense or WR.

but nice to know we basically have 2 first rounders since pats lost theirs. Tunsil and a WR in rd 1/2 would be super exciting for the pre season none the less.

Trade him or let Tunsil be groomed for a season. Play him at guard or something.

Some team will bite for Monroe. He's an above average LT. Some team will give something up for him.

[Inqui]

Per SB Nation, as we still wait on whether the Lions win or lose tomorrow here is the official order. We sit fourth in the order as the Chargers have a weaker SOS than us at the moment thus they are picking third.

 

1. Titans

2. Browns 

3. Chargers(.516 SOS)

4. Ravens(.518 SOS)

5. Cowboys

6. 49ers

7. Lions

8. Saints

9. Jaguars

10. Dolphins

11. Bears

12. Buccaneers

13. Giants

14. Colts

15. Raiders

16. Eagles

17. Bills

18. Rams

19. Falcons

20. Jets

I thought we'd fall behind SD next week (assuming we both lost), but that seems to have happened a week early.

 

I'm actually getting less worried about Dallas jumping us in the order, again assuming they lose out (they could well beat the Bills and/or Washington). As I expected, their SoS is still in the .54 region, and since their next opponents have records that are similar or stronger than that, their SoS will probably remain the same until draft day.

 

Looking at how ours went from .514 to .518 after losing to a team that's now 9-5, if my mental calculations are correct we probably won't go beyond .525 after losing to a team that'll be 10-5 as of next week. Chuck in the 11-3 Bengals and - again unless I'm off here - I think our SoS will eventually settle in the .535 region.

 

I think our best bet for solidifying a top five pick is still the Lions and 9ers getting wins. I really hope the 49ers win next week (not often I say that).

 

Here's the full draft order and SOS if anyone's interested.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/12/20/10631624/2016-nfl-draft-order-chargers-titans-browns

Edited December 21, 2015 by Inqui

[Inqui]

say we went tusil, what do we do with monroe? surely we keep him since we'd only save 2.5M on the cap? pretty expensive depth. not opposed in anyway but think we need immediate help on defense or WR. 

 

but nice to know we basically have 2 first rounders since pats lost theirs. Tunsil and a WR in rd 1/2 would be super exciting for the pre season none the less. 

Hang onto Monroe for another season, while the cap savings are still fairly minimal. Either put your rookie on the bench or at LG (I remember Ozzie talking about how one Jonathan Ogden was put at LG in his rookie year to improve his run blocking game, and it wouldn't hurt a long-term LT to learn to see things through the eyes of the guy playing inside him), and slide him out to LT when Monroe inevitably goes down. Meanwhile, you have a year to see if a LT-needy team wants to trade for him or just cut him in the 2016/17 offseason if they don't.

 

At least, that's how I'd handle it. But there's obviously a lot I don't know about what's going on in the lockerroom/training facilities, and if it's as bad as some reports suggest it might just be best to give Monroe his marching orders and sort out the rest later.

[JoeyFlex5]

Trade him or let Tunsil be groomed for a season. Play him at guard or something.

Some team will bite for Monroe. He's an above average LT. Some team will give something up for him.

would be tough on that contract though.. 

 

would we see any cap savings from trading him?

[GrimCoconut]

Monroe has a cap hit of $6.6M regardless of what we do. Even then we'll save $2.1M from the cap if he's gone.

Considering how reports suggest the team's dissatisfaction with him, he's likely gone and will be replaced. In this circumstance, keeping KO makes a ton of sense since he's shown capable of playing both LT and LG. That means we can draft either position.

Stanley and Tunsil are both clear targets for our first pick. Bosa is clearly the best pass rusher for us, but I also love Ngakoue as an option in the second or third. If Eli Apple declares, then we'll likely need to trade up into the first round or trade back from our top 5 pick to get him.

For me, our top choices should be Tunsil, Stanley, Bosa, Ngakoue, Apple, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Smith, Treadwell, Boyd, and Doctson for our first two picks.

[January J]

The more I watch this team the less excited I get about VH3 and Ramsey. I really want Tunsil or Bosa, those are the guys who will make a profound difference, not a DB.

I'm really getting excited about the possibility of Bosa, just remember that Texans fans booed JJ Watt when he was drafted and scouts had their share of criticism for him as well. Just because there are criticisms made on Bosa doesn't mean he can't be an elite player, at the end of the day the kid has the size, athleticism, and talent to go very far at the next level. If Bosa has anywhere near the type of work ethic Watt does he will be a hell of a player and difference maker. Right now he's at the top of my wish list but I also would be thrilled with Tunsil.

i hear you but our o line hasn't been playing too bad the way it stands now..and when I look at teams like New England who put together a patchwork front and still make it work it really makes me wonder. All that money we're already dumping into those positions it just seems like it would be better spent on defense or at the receiver position. That being said getting tunsil for the next 5 years for next to nothing at an expensive position like LT is a pretty good move IMO. Or Stanley.

Hang onto Monroe for another season, while the cap savings are still fairly minimal. Either put your rookie on the bench or at LG (I remember Ozzie talking about how one Jonathan Ogden was put at LG in his rookie year to improve his run blocking game, and it wouldn't hurt a long-term LT to learn to see things through the eyes of the guy playing inside him), and slide him out to LT when Monroe inevitably goes down. Meanwhile, you have a year to see if a LT-needy team wants to trade for him or just cut him in the 2016/17 offseason if they don't.

At least, that's how I'd handle it. But there's obviously a lot I don't know about what's going on in the lockerroom/training facilities, and if it's as bad as some reports suggest it might just be best to give Monroe his marching orders and sort out the rest later.

lol @ inevitably. You got that right. That's also what I would do. Having him play at LG will give him a tremendous amount of knowledge about how those guys have to operate as a unit. Also never hurts to have somebody who can move around in a pinch. Better to have him out there learning as opposed to him ridin the bench behind Monroe or vice versa. Edited December 21, 2015 by January J

[PurpleCity5]

I don't think Monroe sticks around either. He is either traded or cut even if the cap savings are at $2M. He is gone. I think if Bosa or Tunsil is gone, then you grab Stanley.

[RaineV1]

say we went tusil, what do we do with monroe? surely we keep him since we'd only save 2.5M on the cap? pretty expensive depth. not opposed in anyway but think we need immediate help on defense or WR. 

 

but nice to know we basically have 2 first rounders since pats lost theirs. Tunsil and a WR in rd 1/2 would be super exciting for the pre season none the less. 

That 2.5 million could help to sign a free agent edge rusher or safety. He'd still be worth cutting if we took Tunsil.