Where do we pick?

[sflegend89]

I really know nothing about this guy and his baggage ... it is a really fine line between a guy with an attitude and a disciplinary problem player. 

 

We need a guy like Lewis, Suggs in terms of absolute swagger - chip on their shoulder type guy, but who doesn't cross over the line like Suh and goes and does stupid stuff. Players with attitude are going to get you 15 yard penalties here and there, but it is going to be for border line late hits or hits that come out of the target area. They can't be for stuff like trying to stomp on somebody's ankle and hope it goes unnoticed. 

 

We have enough quiet performers on this team (Mosely, Doom, Williams ...) we need someone who the rest of the team will look up to and ultimately have to answer to if they aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing. If there is a guy like that in this draft ... I want him. 

 

Jalen Ramsey. 

 

[Winchester]

sadly I think Ramsey is the only one like that, and he scares me

Totally agree, kinda tough to have swagger when Beckham and Tyler Locketts are flying by him and doing endzone celebrations!!

[Sizzlebshu]

I think people are highly overestimating the players in this draft. There are a ton of scheme dependent players and very few elite/starting caliber talents. Reminds me a bit of 2013. Not that bad, but still it's mainly a role player type draft to me.

[Winchester]

I think people are highly overestimating the players in this draft. There are a ton of scheme dependent players and very few elite/starting caliber talents. Reminds me a bit of 2013. Not that bad, but still it's mainly a role player type draft to me.

Totally agree!! Tunsil is the only elite safe pick talent so far. The best left tackle prospect since Joe Thomas. And could very likely be the new best left tackle in the league. Even Bosa has to prove something.

[JoeyFlex5]

Totally agree, kinda tough to have swagger when Beckham and Tyler Locketts are flying by him and doing endzone celebrations!!

even tougher when you can't show your swagger without a 15 yard penalty because you are an extreme hothead

[balfan23]

I think people are highly overestimating the players in this draft. There are a ton of scheme dependent players and very few elite/starting caliber talents. Reminds me a bit of 2013. Not that bad, but still it's mainly a role player type draft to me.

I sincerely hope that is not the case. Normally, you need a high pick to get the kind of player we need and I have no desire to see up picking up in this range again anytime soon. 

[Cillmatic]

I really know nothing about this guy and his baggage ... it is a really fine line between a guy with an attitude and a disciplinary problem player.

We need a guy like Lewis, Suggs in terms of absolute swagger - chip on their shoulder type guy, but who doesn't cross over the line like Suh and goes and does stupid stuff. Players with attitude are going to get you 15 yard penalties here and there, but it is going to be for border line late hits or hits that come out of the target area. They can't be for stuff like trying to stomp on somebody's ankle and hope it goes unnoticed.

We have enough quiet performers on this team (Mosely, Doom, Williams ...) we need someone who the rest of the team will look up to and ultimately have to answer to if they aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing. If there is a guy like that in this draft ... I want him.

Ramsey would be the guy you're looking for but he just doesn't seem like a fit for this team, he's never shown that he has the consistent range needed to be a safety worth a top 5 pick. He does what he wants no matter what the coaches say and he's to much of a potential flag magnet. Edited December 9, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Mt. Crushmore]

Let me rephrase:

Goodell announces that the draft will be held tomorrow. As things stand, there is no way Tunsil makes it to us at 6. If he falls past SD alone I'll put a picture of Barbie up as my new avatar and I'll turn my posts pink for a week (quote me if that ever happens). Who do you want the Ravens to take in the first if he's gone before we pick?

 

Bookmarked

 

I'm kinda rooting for Tunsil to drop now

[JoeyFlex5]

Ramsey would be the guy you're looking for but he just doesn't seem like a fit for this team, he's never shown that he has the consistent range needed to be a safety worth a top 5 pick. He does what he wants no matter what the coaches say and he's to much of a potential flag magnet.

yeah ramsey scares me with a top 5 pick, if were picking around 8-12 then i wouldnt be able to send that card in fast enough, i just think the risk factor is too high with such a valuable pick and you just cant make a call that risky.

[arnie_uk]

Not eneitely sure where to put his but I wouldn't be opposed to taking Jaylon Smith at 6 7 8 to pair with Mosley.

[Sami84]

Not eneitely sure where to put his but I wouldn't be opposed to taking Jaylon Smith at 6 7 8 to pair with Mosley.

 

same. i think he could end up the best player in this draft. the more i watch him the more i like

[52520Andrew]

We really need a guy to hang in coverage in the middle of our defense(I feel like Hill can do this but we don't have a FS to let him do it consistently) and Smith could do it. My biggest gripe is I don't think he can handle being a LB in the early downs for us in our current scheme but if we can use his speed to help defend the edge and let him do his thing in coverage(I'd want him to turn into an elite coverage LB) then it could work

[PurpleCity5]

Id rather have Myles Jack than Jaylon Smith honestly.

[gabefergy]

No no no no. Taking another ILB is a terrible idea. 

[PurpleCity5]

No no no no. Taking another ILB is a terrible idea.

Personally Id rather have Jack than Smith but I agree, I wouldn't want to see us take an ILB this high.

[Cillmatic]

No no no no. Taking another ILB is a terrible idea.

Who's gonna cover the inside of the field then? It's ibvious our linebackers suck at it

[gabefergy]

Who's gonna cover the inside of the field then? It's ibvious our linebackers suck at it

Mosley was what 16th overall? Do you feel he has been worth it? It doesn't require a top 10 pick to improve th LB position. I know that can be said about any position, but LB is far easier to find quality players.

[Cillmatic]

Mosley was what 16th overall? Do you feel he has been worth it? It doesn't require a top 10 pick to improve th LB position. I know that can be said about any position, but LB is far easier to find quality players.

Not all drafts are the same bro. By that reasoning an Ed Reed level player will be available in the mid 20's every NFL draft till the end of time. Mosley was apart of a really good draft class. There are MLB's in this draft that are better than Mosley was when he came out and have coverage skills, unlike Mosely.

[gabefergy]

Not all drafts are the same bro. By that reasoning an Ed Reed level player will be available in the mid 20's every NFL draft till the end of time. Mosley was apart of a really good draft class. There are MLB's in this draft that are better than Mosley was when he came out and have coverage skills, unlike Mosely.

Except everyone said Mosley was going to be a great 3 down LB. Mosley's draft was one of the best drafts we have had in years. 

[Cillmatic]

Except everyone said Mosley was going to be a great 3 down LB. Mosley's draft was one of the best drafts we have had in years.

And?

[Sizzlebshu]

No no no no. Taking another ILB is a terrible idea.

Guess we disagree again. That or you prob dont realize how bad this class is

[Sizzlebshu]

Who would you take with the big 5 off the board and say we were picking at 8

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd be ok with trading back and taking Jack, mainly because I think he is even better in coverage than Smith and can actually handle himself in the run game, I think Smith will struggle there and is scheme specific as a 4-3OLB. I'm not a big fan of Smith for us, and I'd rather improve other positions but we could do much worse than myles Jack, who I think I bound to become a household name

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Mosley was what 16th overall? Do you feel he has been worth it? It doesn't require a top 10 pick to improve th LB position. I know that can be said about any position, but LB is far easier to find quality players.

CJ? Yes. He went in the mid teens which is honestly where I had him(I didn't want us to draft him but I'm pretty happy). Good ILBs can last as long as ten years.

So if we traded back into the late teens and a Jack or a Smith are there and the BPA.... Then you pull the trigger without question. I think both will be good pros, and a good player is a good player.

In the top ten... Hell no.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I'd be ok with trading back and taking Jack, mainly because I think he is even better in coverage than Smith and can actually handle himself in the run game, I think Smith will struggle there and is scheme specific as a 4-3OLB. I'm not a big fan of Smith for us, and I'd rather improve other positions but we could do much worse than myles Jack, who I think I bound to become a household name

 

But we've had so much success with converting 4-3OLBs in college to 3-4 MLBs... *rolls eyes at Arthur Brown*

[Baltimore RAYvens]

But we've had so much success with converting 4-3OLBs in college to 3-4 MLBs... *rolls eyes at Arthur Brown*

 

But for real though. Myles Jack looks the real deal and pairing him with Mosely gives us a Thumper and a rangey cover duo

[JoeyFlex5]

But for real though. Myles Jack looks the real deal and pairing him with Mosely gives us a Thumper and a rangey cover duo

yeah Jack will be a unique weapon that will require game planning from offenses no matter where he goes, but I actually think in a 3-4 that can shut down the run with 1 ILB he would be much more dangerous

[ravefan52]

Mosley was what 16th overall? Do you feel he has been worth it? It doesn't require a top 10 pick to improve th LB position. I know that can be said about any position, but LB is far easier to find quality players.

Ya I mean Mosley's a beast run defender and good blitzer, but it's not very hard to find run stuffers later on in drafts or sign them for cheap. Mosley has been awful in probably the most valuable aspect of a ILB's game. He gave up the most yards of any LB last year, and this year hasn't been any better.

With him and Smith's age we could use some reinforcements, but I would be disappointed if our first pick was a ILB. They're not that hard to find and we have like five other positions that are bigger needs. Although Jack has some special ability in coverage I would love with our second pick maybe with a trade up.

Edited December 10, 2015 by ravefan52

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Only guy I really wanted over CJ was Cooks at the time. At the time I was upset because I thought Arthur was going to be a good player, but I thought CJ was a safe pick with a high ceiling. And if you play the hindsight game the only person that went in the first round after CJ that was better was Verett. Clinton-Dix isn't that great(he's not horrible either), Pryor is very eh. Dee Ford has literally done nothing. Bucannon was a good pick now, but he wouldn't have really fit us.Benjamin is a good WR and al, but honestly CJ is a better player. 

 

Yeah no. CJ has his flaws but I don't think it was too early. Because while he has his flaws, he does do some things REALLY well. Better than your typical thumper. I mean, haven't they given him the green dot, which has the mic now? He has a high football IQ, and recently has been on fire. Sure he's been bad in coverage so far, but he actually can improve there. He has the athletic ability and the IQ. And he looks to be the leader of the defense. Worth the 17th pick to me. If he had gone in the top ten, then yeah, I'd agree with you. But he went around the place I thought he would. If you tell me you have the opportunity to get a potential leader of the defense(and it appears he's taken charge), who has a high football IQ, plays the run really well, can potentially become a good coverage LB, and in addition to this is a good blitzer. That to me is warranted in the late teens. I'd call that a good pick which it was.

 

 

 

Now if we took Jack or Jaylon at like 8, that'd be a massive reach. But at 19 or 20? I'd be okay with that

[sflegend89]

Mosley is still far from a finished product, I think he's an absolute stud going forward for us long term, his pursuit and tackling is exceptional, just needs more work in coverage. CJ is a ferocious blitzer and run support guy already. I also don't think he struggles in coverage because of his speed or athleticism, it's more so just mental mistakes.. a lot of that is repetition, the more schemes and passing concepts he's exposed to at the NFL level the better his coverage will get. 

 

As for an ILB like Jaylon Smith or Myles Jack... it's great in concept, I just think you have to weigh out need to a certain extent. Daryl Smith is hardly a weak link and the ILB position hasn't contributed to our inability to win close games this year to the extent that the terrible pass rush and shoddy secondary has. If we were to end up in the 8-10 range Treadwell or Alexander make a lot more sense than either of the ILB's.

Edited December 10, 2015 by sflegend89