Where do we pick?

[Sami84]

Yeah, losing out is really the most reliable way for us to land a pick in the top five. Just that our current position in relation to tiebreakers shouldn't be taken at face value (I know I know, says the guy who runs "if the draft were tomorrow" hypotheticals every week).

 

don't count out a coin toss and hopefully ozzie won't lose that like he did in 2014..* cowboys ended up picking just ahead.

[January J]

Bosa

VH3

Stanley

Tunsil

Ramsey

We're getting one of them. I think Cleveland goes Lynch, and his career then becomes ruined because.. They're the browns

Titans will take Tunsil. Mariota is going to get killed otherwise

Chargers would probably take A'Shawn Robinson maybe(hopefully. We all know if he falls to us Ozzie will take him, and even if he was a beast, I'd start calling for his head) or Ramsey. They can't stop paper and they need a DT.

Cowboys I have taking VH3. Another Corner would do wonders for that defense.

Jags take Bosa. Bosa and Fowler could turn into an elite rushing tandem.

That leaves us with Stanley, Ramsey, Ogbah, Treadwell among others. People I'd be okay with. As long as we stay in the top ten

I think the Cowboys may actually take a sniff at goff.

[Sami84]

I think the Cowboys may actually take a sniff at goff.

no chance

[GrimCoconut]

I think there's a good chance that someone in the top 5 trades down with someone from 6-10. I think we'll see that happen this year. They'll likely trade up for a QB or Bosa, imo.

[Purple Punishment]

Right now we are drafting at 5

[January J]

no chance

there have been a lot of rumors saying that jerry may take a qb in the first. Romos gettin up there and with his injury history I certainly think it's a possibility. I believe Johnny footballs out the question.

[52520Andrew]

I would be fine with a top 6 pick. We are guaranteed one of Bosa, Tunsil, Stanley, Hargreaves, Ramsey, or Nkemdiche and that is if no QB goes top 6 which I wouldn't rule out. Wouldn't mind a bit higher though to get us more choices between these guys but I see a drop after these 6 guys to guys like Jack, Treadwell, Jaylon Smith, Ogbah, etc.

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't follow the Titans, but I thought Lewan looked good at LT last year. Did he regress?

he has but he's still one of the best. I don't see a big personality like lewan relinquishing his star role of LT to anyone though.

[GrimCoconut]

I would be fine with a top 6 pick. We are guaranteed one of Bosa, Tunsil, Stanley, Hargreaves, Ramsey, or Nkemdiche and that is if no QB goes top 6 which I wouldn't rule out. Wouldn't mind a bit higher though to get us more choices between these guys but I see a drop after these 6 guys to guys like Jack, Treadwell, Jaylon Smith, Ogbah, etc.

After having watched extensive film on Ogbah, Nassib, Shaq Lawson, Bosa, and recently Nkemdiche, I actually think Nkemdiche could play effectively here as an OLB in our hybrid system. He could lose a little weight, but he already moves exceptionally well and he is so athletic. I'm not sure I've seen a DL as athletic as him in years. He takes on double and triple-teams regularly and wins those matches from time. I think he would be SCARY if he dropped about 15lbs and became a 3-4 OLB and a hybrid 4-3 DE here in Baltimore. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't follow the Titans, but I thought Lewan looked good at LT last year. Did he regress?

he has but he's still one of the best. I don't see a big personality like lewan relinquishing his star role of LT to anyone though.

[JoeyFlex5]

After having watched extensive film on Ogbah, Nassib, Shaq Lawson, Bosa, and recently Nkemdiche, I actually think Nkemdiche could play effectively here as an OLB in our hybrid system. He could lose a little weight, but he already moves exceptionally well and he is so athletic. I'm not sure I've seen a DL as athletic as him in years. He takes on double and triple-teams regularly and wins those matches from time. I think he would be SCARY if he dropped about 15lbs and became a 3-4 OLB and a hybrid 4-3 DE here in Baltimore.

I suggested that and everyone looked at me crazy lol. He has too many flaws to play inside In the NFL. He can't handle shorter mauling guards, but he could dominate tackles where he would likely face less leverage problems

[GrimCoconut]

I suggested that and everyone looked at me crazy lol. He has too many flaws to play inside In the NFL. He can't handle shorter mauling guards, but he could dominate tackles where he would likely face less leverage problems

I think people are wrong. I think he could be devastating going against the LT or the RT. He could do well going against guards and lesser centers, so he could be a great chess piece and like a major upgrade over McPhee. With that said, I think he'll be great in this role. I think he would be tailor-made for it. He's just so explosive and fast even at his current size. I think even if he dropped 10 lbs he could still be devastating as an OLB.

 

I agree with you here. I would be more than fine taking him and moving him to OLB. For one, he wouldn't need to be an immediate starter there and could learn the position. He's also already played this role somewhat for Ole Miss. He will need to learn how to cover, but that takes time even for prospects coming out as 3-4 OLB 4-3 DEs. 

[balfan23]

Browns seem like they've got a virtual lock on the #1. It will be fun to see how they waste it. 

 

I have a feeling the Miami loss is going to translate into about a 4 position bump. I was looking for us to be around 10-11. Now I'm thinking 6-7 is more likely. 

[Cillmatic]

there have been a lot of rumors saying that jerry may take a qb in the first. Romos gettin up there and with his injury history I certainly think it's a possibility. I believe Johnny footballs out the question.

Think they'd rather just give Cleveland a 6th rounder for Manziel. Goff isn't a slam dunk player, I don't see Dallas moving on from Romo yet.

[JoeyFlex5]

I think people are wrong. I think he could be devastating going against the LT or the RT. He could do well going against guards and lesser centers, so he could be a great chess piece and like a major upgrade over McPhee. With that said, I think he'll be great in this role. I think he would be tailor-made for it. He's just so explosive and fast even at his current size. I think even if he dropped 10 lbs he could still be devastating as an OLB.

I agree with you here. I would be more than fine taking him and moving him to OLB. For one, he wouldn't need to be an immediate starter there and could learn the position. He's also already played this role somewhat for Ole Miss. He will need to learn how to cover, but that takes time even for prospects coming out as 3-4 OLB 4-3 DEs.

and where were picking, I would think Ozzie struggles to pass him up. I'm hoping if that were to happen then he would be capable of losing the weight, he looks like he has a lot of room to slim down, but questions of his work ethic worry me and I don't know if we could trust himto lose that weight

[52520Andrew]

After having watched extensive film on Ogbah, Nassib, Shaq Lawson, Bosa, and recently Nkemdiche, I actually think Nkemdiche could play effectively here as an OLB in our hybrid system. He could lose a little weight, but he already moves exceptionally well and he is so athletic. I'm not sure I've seen a DL as athletic as him in years. He takes on double and triple-teams regularly and wins those matches from time. I think he would be SCARY if he dropped about 15lbs and became a 3-4 OLB and a hybrid 4-3 DE here in Baltimore. 

 

I know his stock is a little down right now but I think come combine time it will shoot back up. I agree in that he is the most athletic DT in the draft and since Donald for me and he is really gonna wow some people. A guy with his talent paired with Clarence Brooks to develop him would have me pumped. Playing the McPhee role could be a great position for him to be in as I don't know how he would handle playing inside on early downs. I feel like you can move him all around though in nickel as his quickness on the inside could create significant problems. Don't know about his burst going against Tackles as those guys are quicker but if he lost weight it could certainly be a possibility. His film against Alabama really wowed me.

[GrimCoconut]

I know his stock is a little down right now but I think come combine time it will shoot back up. I agree in that he is the most athletic DT in the draft and since Donald for me and he is really gonna wow some people. A guy with his talent paired with Clarence Brooks to develop him would have me pumped. Playing the McPhee role could be a great position for him to be in as I don't know how he would handle playing inside on early downs. I feel like you can move him all around though in nickel as his quickness on the inside could create significant problems. Don't know about his burst going against Tackles as those guys are quicker but if he lost weight it could certainly be a possibility. His film against Alabama really wowed me.

I can't think of what game it is, but I know I saw him going against the tackle and he was winning the speed battle. Granted, that was the tackle, but I don't think the tackle was a bad tackle at all. I want to say it was LSU. I recall him doing well going against Collins, and even got a few clean hits without Collins even touching him. Collins is a guard in the NFL, but he had major hype as a LT. I just feel like it's not far-fetched, to be honest. The only question I have is if he would want to do it. He would have to be willing to make the switch. I can't see why he wouldn't be willing. 

[PurpleCity5]

and where were picking, I would think Ozzie struggles to pass him up. I'm hoping if that were to happen then he would be capable of losing the weight, he looks like he has a lot of room to slim down, but questions of his work ethic worry me and I don't know if we could trust himto lose that weight

I think we might have to force our hand into taking Nkemdiche. I know it's not the best idea simply because we're stacked at DL, but if we're picking in the top 4 then It would be hard to pass on him. He could play a hybrid OLB/4-3 DE in our scheme and I think he would be a stud there.

[PurpleCity5]

I know his stock is a little down right now but I think come combine time it will shoot back up. I agree in that he is the most athletic DT in the draft and since Donald for me and he is really gonna wow some people. A guy with his talent paired with Clarence Brooks to develop him would have me pumped. Playing the McPhee role could be a great position for him to be in as I don't know how he would handle playing inside on early downs. I feel like you can move him all around though in nickel as his quickness on the inside could create significant problems. Don't know about his burst going against Tackles as those guys are quicker but if he lost weight it could certainly be a possibility. His film against Alabama really wowed me.

I'm hoping the Cowboys take him honestly. They play a 4-3 defense correct? I think Nkemdiche has the potential to be a monster 4-3 DT and they need help on that DL. Same can be said towards Tennessee. His tape surely is impressive so if he can light up the combine he could find himself back in the top 5. I'm hoping Tennessee or Dallas takes him, If so then that will help us land Tunsil or Bosa if we're picking in the top 4. 

 

Dallas needs to be more disruptive on their defensive line. They already have a 3-tech with Tyron Crawford, who is a 3-down DL who can take on double teams, and then they have Nick Hayden as a 1-technique who I hear is awful. While Nkem is a 3-tech guy, you could place him as a 1-tech considering the fact that he's stout against the run. Now, having two 3-tech players isn't really ordinary, but man both Crawford and Nkemdiche can wreck havoc and both are 3-down DL, 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think we might have to force our hand into taking Nkemdiche. I know it's not the best idea simply because we're stacked at DL, but if we're picking in the top 4 then It would be hard to pass on him. He could play a hybrid OLB/4-3 DE in our scheme and I think he would be a stud there.

If we're top5 I think we land a better and more practical prospect like hargreaves, but I think Kim falls out of the top5 and becomes the clear cut BPA. Call me crazy but if jernigan continues to have nagging injuries then he has trade value and a guy like nkemdiche allows great leverage there, and the same goes for Carl Davis if his rumored laziness shows up later on. But I wanna reiterate, I don't like him at a fixated position at all, I don't think he will provide enough on the inside full time, I don't think he has the agility to handle the outside full time, I only like him if he can lose weight and be a moving piece

[Sizzlebshu]

After having watched extensive film on Ogbah, Nassib, Shaq Lawson, Bosa, and recently Nkemdiche, I actually think Nkemdiche could play effectively here as an OLB in our hybrid system. He could lose a little weight, but he already moves exceptionally well and he is so athletic. I'm not sure I've seen a DL as athletic as him in years. He takes on double and triple-teams regularly and wins those matches from time. I think he would be SCARY if he dropped about 15lbs and became a 3-4 OLB and a hybrid 4-3 DE here in Baltimore. 

The real issue isn't athleticism/potential, but rather can he function and react in space. I don't think he can. 

[JoeyFlex5]

The real issue isn't athleticism/potential, but rather can he function and react in space. I don't think he can. 

while i do see flaws in nkemdiches game, and big ones, i just really find it hard to believe that he wont be a very functional player in the right role, i think he will have growing pains and if teams try play him in the wrong role then he will struggle, but i think we find the right role for him here and he dominates, i definitely want plenty of prospects over him but im open to the idea

[Sizzlebshu]

My thoughts: 

 

People can probably kiss the thought of any team drafting a QB in the top 10 good bye. Yes it happens (as made evident by the infamous 2011 class), but the real issue is that this draft is not deep with talent and no QB prospect has clearly separated himself from the rest. I'd be pretty shocked if we see one taken, let alone in the top 5 where you have a chance at some of the few blue chip talents in the draft. 

 

The Browns want an excuse to get rid of Manziel, but ppl forget that their pass rush is also a real issue. I find it hard to believe they will outright cut Manziel when the team supports him starting (as evidenced by comments of players after Austin Davis start), and interest in trade market. Furthermore, in order for them to risk cutting Manziel, they have to have a QB prospect they rate higher than Manziel and given Manziel was a first round prospect on multiple boards in one of the deepest talent laden draft classes in years, I sincerely doubt that will happen. Manziel will have 1 more year if the Browns end up at #1 and you can expect they will take Bosa due to their pass rush issues.

 

The team in the top 5 that is a real wildcard is the Titans. They are basically in position to take the best player on the board. However, it is hard for me to imagine them taking an offensive linemen (tackle) who are the best players remaining. They invested a high round pick last yr iirc, a top 10 in Warmack, a top 11 in Lewan. Reminds me of the Steelers/Cowboys a few years ago where they spent multiple years investing in the position and then leaving it alone in the early round allowing for player development. Its easy to mock one of the tackles to them, but I genuinely don't think that is the way Rusty Smith is going go. I think that with no RB or WR good enough for this spot, he is going to go D and either add to his secondary (VH3/Ramsey?) or bolster the D line. Buckner/Nkemdiche?

 

San Diego will take a tackle. Its all but guaranteed. They need a defensive talent, but the truth is they know they will win by keeping Rivers upright. 

 

The Jaguars, likewise, are essentially guaranteed to take a DB. They invested more heavily in safety (and got returns there, which is the key), than they did in corner. I assume VH3 is going here. 

 

Dallas is another potential wildcard that could pick here. Don't be shocked if they go wide receiver and select Treadwell. Hardy/Gregory/Lawerence makes up their d line and pass rush. They do have talented Corners and have recently invested in the position. The key to this team is rotation and sustaining drives. Part of that is getting play makers favorable matchups and this is would take some doubles away from Dez and give them a threat on the outside a bit more consistent than Terrance Williams. I am not sure Treadwell is worthy of going this high, but this is an underrated need for a team that is relatively complete. Wouldn't rule out a Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith either.

 

Ravens probably end up with an o line as the best prospect. Its not sexy, but it may allow us to keep KO long term and get rid of the oft injured monroe. 

Edited December 7, 2015 by Sizzlebshu

[JoeyFlex5]

if you are predicting us at 6th overall, i have a hard time thinking we take stanley there, who is the only real option in terms of value, i just dont know if ozzie would value stanley that highly. i think our top priority in that position would be to search high and low for a trade back hoping for a first next year and an extra 2nd, after tunsil, bosa, vh3, and ramsey, it becomes a bit of a crapshoot and i think it then comes down to "do we really want nkemdiche here? or is that value just really bad.." and i think ozzie determines the value is bad. 

 

i know trade backs are hard, but i think SF will really have a hankering for jared goff, and with their win yesterday we could be an ideal trade partner for them if they want to leapfrog teams like NO who could be looking to take a future qb, or even the rams who are essentially a qb away from competing at a high level. a trade back of that level, getting an extra 2nd and maybe throwing in a 5th rounder for an extra 3rd, would put us in perfect position to get great value out of our pick with guys like treadwell, ogbah, stanley, alexander, and possibly nkemdiche and myles jack falling right in our laps, and 2 2nd round picks for us this year would go a very long way, trade back just feels like the goal for us when looking at the prospects

[thieverycorporation]

if you are predicting us at 6th overall, i have a hard time thinking we take stanley there, who is the only real option in terms of value, i just dont know if ozzie would value stanley that highly. i think our top priority in that position would be to search high and low for a trade back hoping for a first next year and an extra 2nd, after tunsil, bosa, vh3, and ramsey, it becomes a bit of a crapshoot and i think it then comes down to "do we really want nkemdiche here? or is that value just really bad.." and i think ozzie determines the value is bad. 

 

i know trade backs are hard, but i think SF will really have a hankering for jared goff, and with their win yesterday we could be an ideal trade partner for them if they want to leapfrog teams like NO who could be looking to take a future qb, or even the rams who are essentially a qb away from competing at a high level. a trade back of that level, getting an extra 2nd and maybe throwing in a 5th rounder for an extra 3rd, would put us in perfect position to get great value out of our pick with guys like treadwell, ogbah, stanley, alexander, and possibly nkemdiche and myles jack falling right in our laps, and 2 2nd round picks for us this year would go a very long way, trade back just feels like the goal for us when looking at the prospects

I have to agree with your logic here. It would add great value if we can get them or someone really close to them to take the bait. As it stands now we would be better served.

[RaineV1]

I think Nkemdiche's best role would be on the line of scrimmage every play. In our defense he'd be a 3-4 DE in the base defense and a DT in Nickel.

[Sizzlebshu]

if you are predicting us at 6th overall, i have a hard time thinking we take stanley there, who is the only real option in terms of value, i just dont know if ozzie would value stanley that highly. i think our top priority in that position would be to search high and low for a trade back hoping for a first next year and an extra 2nd, after tunsil, bosa, vh3, and ramsey, it becomes a bit of a crapshoot and i think it then comes down to "do we really want nkemdiche here? or is that value just really bad.." and i think ozzie determines the value is bad. 

 

i know trade backs are hard, but i think SF will really have a hankering for jared goff, and with their win yesterday we could be an ideal trade partner for them if they want to leapfrog teams like NO who could be looking to take a future qb, or even the rams who are essentially a qb away from competing at a high level. a trade back of that level, getting an extra 2nd and maybe throwing in a 5th rounder for an extra 3rd, would put us in perfect position to get great value out of our pick with guys like treadwell, ogbah, stanley, alexander, and possibly nkemdiche and myles jack falling right in our laps, and 2 2nd round picks for us this year would go a very long way, trade back just feels like the goal for us when looking at the prospects

trade back isn't going to happen. I'm all in on that right now. 

[JoeyFlex5]

trade back isn't going to happen. I'm all in on that right now. 

i really think trade back is our top priority if bosa, vh3, tunsil, and ramsey are all gone. i cant see ozzie being satisfied with any of the remaining value there.

[Sizzlebshu]

i really think trade back is our top priority if bosa, vh3, tunsil, and ramsey are all gone. i cant see ozzie being satisfied with any of the remaining value there.

Gee i wonder what that means anout the teams behind us

And no qb is worth a top 6 pick

Edited December 7, 2015 by Sizzlebshu

[GrimCoconut]

To trade back there must be a talent available another team must have. A prospect doesn't have to be good for a team to want them enough to trade up to get them. We've seen this before in the draft where teams trade up for a player they fall in love with that they really want who's not that great.