Do you guys want a win?

[1/28/01]

honestlty we're not good enough 2 make da playoffs, and i don think we win 8 stright games, not dis year. good year 2 tank and reload good talent, we dont have a chance in playoffs vs. DEN, NE, CINCI, OAK, OR SQUEELERS.

tank & take #1 pick 2 da bank.

TANKING ISN'T A REAL THING! Yes, I yelled that.

[Deflated Football]

Of course I want a win but I see us finishing at 5-11 which would put us in the top 10 of the draft, possibly even top 5. We aren't a bad team this season, so if we draft well, sign/trade players well and come back healthy next season, we should be looking good. I never hope for a loss, but man, I would love to see Ozzie work some magic with a top 10 draft pick again. 

[omar586]

TANKING ISN'T A REAL THING! Yes, I yelled that.

i know what u mean, but we're not gonna win many games either, too many issues in critical spots like CB, WR, Pass rushers, and injuries has took its toll too in two seasons. our losing season might  b a blessing in disguise.

Edited November 8, 2015 by omar586

[ta2d1]

I want to win out. Don't really care what anybody has to say

[Winchester]

Do I want the ravens to win?? Are we talking championship?? Hell yes I want a win!! Otherwise who cares!! Build a team that can humiliate every other team in the NFL and win the Superbowl then we can talk about wins. Otherwise any other win is meaningless. Anything less than that is a failure of a season.

[jazz1988]

I don't think many of y'all have looked at this upcoming draft class. It's not good.

It's obvious this team needs serious help, if you wanna be delusional(as you yourself out it) you can be. But allow the logical to look towards the future of the team rather than winning against bad teams now and screwing ourselves over in the long run.

 

So we suppose to be hopefully for our team to lose more games to come so they  can have a better spot in the draft that's literally months around ummmm not me .

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I've played sports and I still disagree. No team gets better through mediocrity, if we finish 8-8 this was a lost season.

Teams do get better through "mediocrity." If we were to win out or go, say 6-2 then the season was only mediocre in respect to 16 games... But a 2nd half like that would likely rank among the top few teams in the league.

We right now have an incredibly young core with several key veterans out for the season. This young group pulling together, having new leaders emerge, and going on a 6-2, 7-1, or 8-0 streak would have more of a positive impact on the future of this team than getting the 6th-10th pick in the draft vs somewhere in the 14-18 range.

Learning to win and finish out close games is invaluable. When I look at this team I don't see one that's 3 years or more away from contending. I see a team that with the addition of just a few key pieces away and can contend again next year.

But guys like Mosley, Gillmore, B Will, Will Thrill, Jimmy, Jernigan, Davis, Maxx, Buck, Wagner, Hurst, Urschel, Perriman, Aiken, Givens etc..... These guys have to learn how to slam the door shut in the 4th qtr, complete the comeback game winning drive, play consistently to their potential, and a couple have to step up and take accountability for leading this team through it all.

Losing is a culture just like winning is. I think this team finding a way to finish out 6-2 as currently constructed - without Suggs and SSS to be the emotional leaders - is WAY more important than any draft position.

We know we have these guys and if they can learn to finish out as a 6-2 team (12-4 over a season type team) than suddenly this isn't a rebuilding team.

Add Suggs back in the mix for next year, maybe a SSS return, Perriman with a few games under his belt in a winning culture, a few key FA pickups and a decent draft and were contending next year.

A higher draft pick coming into a team that was a complete failure the year prior and has a core of young players that hasn't ever won together has a far steeper hill to climb than one who's drafting in the middle of the 1st and was among the hottest teams in the NFL finishing out the season.

Re-establishing our winning culture with this young core is and always should be priority #1. Hoping to lose so you can add a slightly better draft pick is foolish IMO.

The draft is totally out of your hands as other teams can play worse than you, prospects can fail, another team picking your guy, and so on.

You do control the guys that are already here and the games in front of you. These next 8 games may not result in a payoff this year in terms of playoffs or a ring. But improving, winning at least 6 to get to 8-8, and establishing a very young core of players in a winning culture can lead to a payoff next season - and is much more likely to do so than any draft pick especially when were only talking 10 or so spots.

Prove you can win with this group and still add quality draft picks - all positives.

Continuing to lose in hopes of theoretically increasing the probability that your draft picks will be impact players - negative for the current roster and core, and only the potential of a big net positive for the draft class.

Sorry for the long reply, but for the life of me... As a fan and even trying to put myself in the shoes of GM, coach or owner... I cannot come to any situation where it makes any sense at all to not win at all costs especially at this stage of the season.

[salamander]

Looking forward for seasons to come, the only way to return to our winning ways is to demand maximum effort and to preserve a "play to win" mindset.

Edited November 8, 2015 by salamander

[JO_75]

Can someone give me a documented example of a team the legitimately and purposely tanked? Colts for Luck?

Yeah and how exactly is that working out for them now? They went from Suck For Luck to Suck With Luck as people say now. As someone said, we got Ray at 26, Ngata at 12, Mosley at 17, Webb in the third, Jimmy at 26, etc. Our Franchise QB was taken 18th, and does more with less compared to Matt Ryan who was taken third overall and does less with more.

[ellicottraven]

The chips will fall as they will every single week from here on out. I don't see the chips falling any different in the second half just because we say it will be so. If the chips fall our way, then we will win more wins than lose. Otherwise we will have the same 8 game record as the first half. 

 

However, one way to assure wins is to have good players make great plays but do we have good players capable of great plays?

[Winchester]

Teams do get better through "mediocrity." If we were to win out or go, say 6-2 then the season was only mediocre in respect to 16 games... But a 2nd half like that would likely rank among the top few teams in the league.

We right now have an incredibly young core with several key veterans out for the season. This young group pulling together, having new leaders emerge, and going on a 6-2, 7-1, or 8-0 streak would have more of a positive impact on the future of this team than getting the 6th-10th pick in the draft vs somewhere in the 14-18 range.

Learning to win and finish out close games is invaluable. When I look at this team I don't see one that's 3 years or more away from contending. I see a team that with the addition of just a few key pieces away and can contend again next year.

But guys like Mosley, Gillmore, B Will, Will Thrill, Jimmy, Jernigan, Davis, Maxx, Buck, Wagner, Hurst, Urschel, Perriman, Aiken, Givens etc..... These guys have to learn how to slam the door shut in the 4th qtr, complete the comeback game winning drive, play consistently to their potential, and a couple have to step up and take accountability for leading this team through it all.

Losing is a culture just like winning is. I think this team finding a way to finish out 6-2 as currently constructed - without Suggs and SSS to be the emotional leaders - is WAY more important than any draft position.

We know we have these guys and if they can learn to finish out as a 6-2 team (12-4 over a season type team) than suddenly this isn't a rebuilding team.

Add Suggs back in the mix for next year, maybe a SSS return, Perriman with a few games under his belt in a winning culture, a few key FA pickups and a decent draft and were contending next year.

A higher draft pick coming into a team that was a complete failure the year prior and has a core of young players that hasn't ever won together has a far steeper hill to climb than one who's drafting in the middle of the 1st and was among the hottest teams in the NFL finishing out the season.

Re-establishing our winning culture with this young core is and always should be priority #1. Hoping to lose so you can add a slightly better draft pick is foolish IMO.

The draft is totally out of your hands as other teams can play worse than you, prospects can fail, another team picking your guy, and so on.

You do control the guys that are already here and the games in front of you. These next 8 games may not result in a payoff this year in terms of playoffs or a ring. But improving, winning at least 6 to get to 8-8, and establishing a very young core of players in a winning culture can lead to a payoff next season - and is much more likely to do so than any draft pick especially when were only talking 10 or so spots.

Prove you can win with this group and still add quality draft picks - all positives.

Continuing to lose in hopes of theoretically increasing the probability that your draft picks will be impact players - negative for the current roster and core, and only the potential of a big net positive for the draft class.

Sorry for the long reply, but for the life of me... As a fan and even trying to put myself in the shoes of GM, coach or owner... I cannot come to any situation where it makes any sense at all to not win at all costs especially at this stage of the season.

Teams do get better through "mediocrity." If we were to win out or go, say 6-2 then the season was only mediocre in respect to 16 games... But a 2nd half like that would likely rank among the top few teams in the league.

We right now have an incredibly young core with several key veterans out for the season. This young group pulling together, having new leaders emerge, and going on a 6-2, 7-1, or 8-0 streak would have more of a positive impact on the future of this team than getting the 6th-10th pick in the draft vs somewhere in the 14-18 range.

Learning to win and finish out close games is invaluable. When I look at this team I don't see one that's 3 years or more away from contending. I see a team that with the addition of just a few key pieces away and can contend again next year.

But guys like Mosley, Gillmore, B Will, Will Thrill, Jimmy, Jernigan, Davis, Maxx, Buck, Wagner, Hurst, Urschel, Perriman, Aiken, Givens etc..... These guys have to learn how to slam the door shut in the 4th qtr, complete the comeback game winning drive, play consistently to their potential, and a couple have to step up and take accountability for leading this team through it all.

Losing is a culture just like winning is. I think this team finding a way to finish out 6-2 as currently constructed - without Suggs and SSS to be the emotional leaders - is WAY more important than any draft position.

We know we have these guys and if they can learn to finish out as a 6-2 team (12-4 over a season type team) than suddenly this isn't a rebuilding team.

Add Suggs back in the mix for next year, maybe a SSS return, Perriman with a few games under his belt in a winning culture, a few key FA pickups and a decent draft and were contending next year.

A higher draft pick coming into a team that was a complete failure the year prior and has a core of young players that hasn't ever won together has a far steeper hill to climb than one who's drafting in the middle of the 1st and was among the hottest teams in the NFL finishing out the season.

Re-establishing our winning culture with this young core is and always should be priority #1. Hoping to lose so you can add a slightly better draft pick is foolish IMO.

The draft is totally out of your hands as other teams can play worse than you, prospects can fail, another team picking your guy, and so on.

You do control the guys that are already here and the games in front of you. These next 8 games may not result in a payoff this year in terms of playoffs or a ring. But improving, winning at least 6 to get to 8-8, and establishing a very young core of players in a winning culture can lead to a payoff next season - and is much more likely to do so than any draft pick especially when were only talking 10 or so spots.

Prove you can win with this group and still add quality draft picks - all positives.

Continuing to lose in hopes of theoretically increasing the probability that your draft picks will be impact players - negative for the current roster and core, and only the potential of a big net positive for the draft class.

Sorry for the long reply, but for the life of me... As a fan and even trying to put myself in the shoes of GM, coach or owner... I cannot come to any situation where it makes any sense at all to not win at all costs especially at this stage of the season.

Overall a good post. However half the players you mentioned are back up caliber. Everybody needs to think realistically. Other teams players are getting payed to. Homers(not directed at you) tend to forget that. Homers are saying things like the ravens don't need WRs. They already have reveivers. And the ravens do not need OLBs. Upshaw is their OLB. And other teams are fielding the most talent they can. It is about skill and talent. It is not the movies. The ravens gm has not done so well recently and the consensus excuse is his average draft spot is in the 20's. It is a business. Just like financial decisions making current financial situations tight for future success and prosperity.

[RavensFanMania]

Of course I want a win but I see us finishing at 5-11 which would put us in the top 10 of the draft, possibly even top 5. We aren't a bad team this season, so if we draft well, sign/trade players well and come back healthy next season, we should be looking good. I never hope for a loss, but man, I would love to see Ozzie work some magic with a top 10 draft pick again. 

I agree with this comment and think we win half of the remaining games to end 6-10. 

[beanfigger]

How often do teams take a top-5 pick one year and win championships anytime soon afterwards? The delusional people aren't the ones who believe we are still good enough to win games this year; they are the ones who thinking losing enough games to draft at the top of the draft will solve all our problems.

[Winchester]

How often do teams take a top-5 pick one year and win championships anytime soon afterwards? The delusional people aren't the ones who believe we are still good enough to win games this year; they are the ones who thinking losing enough games to draft at the top of the draft will solve all our problems.

One high pick will not solve all ravens probs. Picking the top of first 4 rounds could help. As long as the old wizzard does not botch it. It is going to be a reload process. The ravens are void of bona fide alpha males 30 or younger. Outside Joe Cool of course. But what good could he do if every year everybody is hoping some new undrafted, castoff,practice squad WR steps up. Then you must consider what is stepping up?? Making a couple plays like the typical Homer definition of stepping up?? Or morphing into a true alpha male WR that defenses actually respect and fear and catapulting the ravens offense to top 3 in the league.

[Cillmatic]

How often do teams take a top-5 pick one year and win championships anytime soon afterwards? The delusional people aren't the ones who believe we are still good enough to win games this year; they are the ones who thinking losing enough games to draft at the top of the draft will solve all our problems.

The ssues on this team are at WR and Secondary. If we can fix those via Draft and Free Agency we're a playoff team. Edited November 8, 2015 by Cillmatic

[beanfigger]

One high pick will not solve all ravens probs. Picking the top of first 4 rounds could help. As long as the old wizzard does not botch it. It is going to be a reload process. The ravens are void of bona fide alpha males 30 or younger. Outside Joe Cool of course. But what good could he do if every year everybody is hoping some new undrafted, castoff,practice squad WR steps up. Then you must consider what is stepping up?? Making a couple plays like the typical Homer definition of stepping up?? Or morphing into a true alpha male WR that defenses actually respect and fear and catapulting the ravens offense to top 3 in the league.

The ssues on this team are at WR and Secondary. If we can fix those via Draft and Free Agency we're a playoff team.

I'm saying that teams with issues in this league that finish near .500 are much more likely to fix their issues enough to become contenders than the teams who finish with dreadful records and pick in the top five. Look at the records of the Seattle teams in the years before they became a top team. The Steelers "down" years are 8-8, and they bounce right back. I'm agreeing that we have issues, but I disagree that the best route to solving them are by losing enough games to pick in the top five. I want to win every game we can going forward. Solve the offseason issues in the offseason, and don't confuse this with the NBA where teams try to set up their offseason success by tanking. It's not how the NFL works.

[beanfigger]

You don't need an immediate championship to bounce back. There are so many people saying they would be upset with us sneaking into the playoffs and losing early because championships are the only thing that matters, so they obviously believe you do need an immediate championship.

Also, I never said an immediate championship. Find me the shortest period of time this century that a team went from top-5 pick to a championship. It doesn't happen even over a number of years. That's why there are the same teams drafting in the top five every year. It's not a group I want to join. Even when one of them has a fluky good year, they're back drafting in the top five again a year or two later. Give me wins now, as many as possible, because no good comes from losing in the NFL.

[Cillmatic]

You don't need an immediate championship to bounce back. There are so many people saying they would be upset with us sneaking into the playoffs and losing early because championships are the only thing that matters, so they obviously believe you do need an immediate championship.

Also, I never said an immediate championship. Find me the shortest period of time this century that a team went from top-5 pick to a championship. It doesn't happen even over a number of years. That's why there are the same teams drafting in the top five every year. It's not a group I want to join. Even when one of them has a fluky good year, they're back drafting in the top five again a year or two later. Give me wins now, as many as possible, because no good comes from losing in the NFL.

In not defending other people's arguments. In defending MINE.

[beanfigger]

In not defending other people's arguments. In defending MINE.

Well, you're the one who quoted me when I said that losing enough for a better draft pick doesn't make sense.

[Cillmatic]

Well, you're the one who quoted me when I said that losing enough for a better draft pick doesn't make sense.

And I applied my argument to it.

[beanfigger]

And I applied my argument to it.

Which was what? That you preferred to get a top five pick rather than win a handful of games moving forward this season? That's all that I've been debating, and I've made my point several times. The only thing "earning" a top five pick seems to gain an NFL team these days is more top five picks for years to come.

[jaege]

Sorry to those of you guys who want losses in favor of a draft pick, some of us delusional fans believe we can go on an 8 game win streak. How do you guys feel about this win as far as the season goes? Do you want the team to keep losing or do you believe we can win the remaining games on our schedule?

 

 

I do not think there is a snowballs chance in a pizza oven that we are going to win 8 in a row, but I want wins anyway. As many as we can get. I know that is contrary to getting a higher draft pick, but picking high guarantees nothing anyway.

[Winchester]

You don't need an immediate championship to bounce back. There are so many people saying they would be upset with us sneaking into the playoffs and losing early because championships are the only thing that matters, so they obviously believe you do need an immediate championship.

Also, I never said an immediate championship. Find me the shortest period of time this century that a team went from top-5 pick to a championship. It doesn't happen even over a number of years. That's why there are the same teams drafting in the top five every year. It's not a group I want to join. Even when one of them has a fluky good year, they're back drafting in the top five again a year or two later. Give me wins now, as many as possible, because no good comes from losing in the NFL.

Dallas Cowboys, rams, and our own Baltimore ravens went from double digit losses to a championship in 2 yrs. Saints went from bad record to a superbowl. Colts went from 3-13 to 13-3 and legit championship contender. Cardinals went from double digit losses to nearly winning a championship in a yr or 2. Take 1997 season. I was in college and getting acclimated to the ravens being our team and not the hand me down Cleveland browns. Anyways they got a hard fought win in the finale that costed about 4-5 draft spots. We needed corners desperately. If ravens would of lost that game they would of landed Charles woodson. The constellation prize was Duane Starks. If the ravens landed Charles woodson they may of won consecutive championships. He and Reed and McAllister would of been unfair.

OK say the ravens pull a 6-10 record and target somebody say Bosa. Now say they lose out on Bosa and he becomes the most dominant defender outside Watt. It would suck watching him take over games and be the difference maker in countless games including a championship. The defender the ravens end up settling and reaching for becomes a mediocre nobody like Upshaw. Who in their right mind would want to give up all those wins Bosa could be responsible for including a championship over a couple meaningless wins in a busted season anyways?? If the ravens did not have those top 10 picks they would not of won the Superbowl in 2000

The ravens have aa franchise QB,a good oline,Dline, one of the best safetys in the game. And a good smart coach that gets everybody to work very hard and play to their Max. A losing season would not hurt them and cause a losing atmosphere. Harbaugh and Joe cool have been amazing keeping the ravens in games. Surround them with some alpha male game changers and the ravens are Superbowl contenders!!

[Inqui]

Dallas Cowboys, rams, and our own Baltimore ravens went from double digit losses to a championship in 2 yrs. Saints went from bad record to a superbowl. Colts went from 3-13 to 13-3 and legit championship contender. Cardinals went from double digit losses to nearly winning a championship in a yr or 2. Take 1997 season. I was in college and getting acclimated to the ravens being our team and not the hand me down Cleveland browns. Anyways they got a hard fought win in the finale that costed about 4-5 draft spots. We needed corners desperately. If ravens would of lost that game they would of landed Charles woodson. The constellation prize was Duane Starks. If the ravens landed Charles woodson they may of won consecutive championships. He and Reed and McAllister would of been unfair.

OK say the ravens pull a 6-10 record and target somebody say Bosa. Now say they lose out on Bosa and he becomes the most dominant defender outside Watt. It would suck watching him take over games and be the difference maker in countless games including a championship. The defender the ravens end up settling and reaching for becomes a mediocre nobody like Upshaw. Who in their right mind would want to give up all those wins Bosa could be responsible for including a championship over a couple meaningless wins in a busted season anyways?? If the ravens did not have those top 10 picks they would not of won the Superbowl in 2000

The ravens have aa franchise QB,a good oline,Dline, one of the best safetys in the game. And a good smart coach that gets everybody to work very hard and play to their Max. A losing season would not hurt them and cause a losing atmosphere. Harbaugh and Joe cool have been amazing keeping the ravens in games. Surround them with some alpha male game changers and the ravens are Superbowl contenders!!

It's a league full of stars.

[sflegend89]

Nope, personnel isn't good enough, too many injuries, we desperately need to get to the offseason to regroup. Ramsey/Hargreaves would be great, we don't have much cap room even after the Flacco restructure, playmaker will have to come in the draft, clearly the higher pick the better if we are looking to draft a playmaker.

Edited November 9, 2015 by sflegend89

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Dallas Cowboys, rams, and our own Baltimore ravens went from double digit losses to a championship in 2 yrs. Saints went from bad record to a superbowl. Colts went from 3-13 to 13-3 and legit championship contender. Cardinals went from double digit losses to nearly winning a championship in a yr or 2. Take 1997 season. I was in college and getting acclimated to the ravens being our team and not the hand me down Cleveland browns. Anyways they got a hard fought win in the finale that costed about 4-5 draft spots. We needed corners desperately. If ravens would of lost that game they would of landed Charles woodson. The constellation prize was Duane Starks. If the ravens landed Charles woodson they may of won consecutive championships. He and Reed and McAllister would of been unfair.

OK say the ravens pull a 6-10 record and target somebody say Bosa. Now say they lose out on Bosa and he becomes the most dominant defender outside Watt. It would suck watching him take over games and be the difference maker in countless games including a championship. The defender the ravens end up settling and reaching for becomes a mediocre nobody like Upshaw. Who in their right mind would want to give up all those wins Bosa could be responsible for including a championship over a couple meaningless wins in a busted season anyways?? If the ravens did not have those top 10 picks they would not of won the Superbowl in 2000

The ravens have aa franchise QB,a good oline,Dline, one of the best safetys in the game. And a good smart coach that gets everybody to work very hard and play to their Max. A losing season would not hurt them and cause a losing atmosphere. Harbaugh and Joe cool have been amazing keeping the ravens in games. Surround them with some alpha male game changers and the ravens are Superbowl contenders!!

On Bosa specifically - we're not going to get him. We aren't bad enough.

And best case scenerio is he becomes a JJ Watt calibre player. That's a longshot, but even so the Texans have proven year in year out that doesn't sniff a championship. Add Clowney who was supposed to be a dominant force... And it's done nothing.

And most of the teams you mentioned with quick turnarounds to championships - the difference was acquiring a HOF QB.

Colts with Manning and then again with Luck through the draft.

Rams and Arizona turned around because of acquiring Kurt Warner.

Cowboys turned it around because of the greatest trade fleecing in history. No team will ever receive that amount of draft and player currency to reload their team again.

And the 2000 Ravens were a recent expansion team who built a championship quickly (albeit 5 seasons so not the turnaround that is being discussed in this thread) on the foundation of 2 HOF players, arguably the 2 best players ever at their respective positions being drafted in 1 round. That's an anomaly - not something you can plan to replicate.

So, of those examples - none are really comparable to our current situation.

1st and foremost because this isn't a bottom feeding team. It's a team that's been in a position to beat Denver, Cinci and Arizona - 3 legit contenders. Were a few plays a game from being there.

That equates to needing the young and inexperienced players on this team needing to gain winning experience and learning how to close out games, and having healthy vets who have been there and done that to help steady the ship.

Our needs are glaring but obvious... And can be fixed with returns to health from key players, solid FA acquisitions at key positions (WR and DB) and a young stud pass rusher that can be a situational guy for a year or 2 under doom/sizzle and then can take over after. That guy can be had in the middle of the first or can be targeted by trading up.

This team is better off going all in for wins now for the benefit of the solid young core that's already on the roster, and rounding it out in the offseason using whatever hand ends up being dealt to us because we don't need a great one to make a run next year. It's just got to be solid.

[Maryland]

I'm not saying to tank or anything, but in 2007 we had one bad year and earned a top-10 pick in the following draft. We made the playoffs for 5 straight years afterward. Sometimes you just need to reload. 

 

Having 1 bad season doesn't necessarily breed a culture of losing like what you see in Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, etc. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I'm not saying to tank or anything, but in 2007 we had one bad year and earned a top-10 pick in the following draft. We made the playoffs for 5 straight years afterward. Sometimes you just need to reload.

Having 1 bad season doesn't necessarily breed a culture of losing like what you see in Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, etc.

Again though that's another example of a team that had a bad year bc of bad QB play and rebounded after reloading with a franchise caliber QB.

This isn't that situation.

Were in a position where even a very strong end to the season, say 6-2 will still likely get us a pick in the mid teens which is high enough for Ozzie to grab exactly what we need.

The only thing I think people like myself are saying (and anyone that's in favor of winning at all costs) is that we don't need a top 5 pick to contend next year. We do need an influx of a few talented players in critical spots, but that can be accomplished with where we'd end up in the draft and FA by going all out for wins.

And the positive gained by actually learning to win with this current group and pull out some of these close games puts us in a much better position going into next year in terms of being ready to contend again, than would continuing to lose just to draft a little higher.

Next year the core players are going to be the same as this years for the most part, plus/minus just a few players. So the challenge is still getting this young core to a point where they can win these close games.

Putting that off until the beginning of next year to bet a higher pick doesn't gaurantee better players and doesn't overcome the fundamental hurdle.

So let's push to get over it as soon as possible.

It seems the real question is keep going all out to improve or take the foot off the gas bc the seasons probably lost. The problem with the latter is that you don't really have a true assessment of the cupboard.

I want to know are we truly a 2-6 team which if we are we will be even if we push for wins and we'll get that top 5 pick. If were not and can go on a 6-2 type run, well then we know exactly what we are and don't need the top 5 pick to contend again and were much closer to doing so because we figured that out.

Edited November 9, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[usmccharles]

I'm not saying to tank or anything, but in 2007 we had one bad year and earned a top-10 pick in the following draft. We made the playoffs for 5 straight years afterward. Sometimes you just need to reload. 

 

Having 1 bad season doesn't necessarily breed a culture of losing like what you see in Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, etc. 

Not sure what you mean.  We havent had a top ten pick since 03 and that was Suggs at 10. 

[sflegend89]

TANKING ISN'T A REAL THING! Yes, I yelled that.

 

It's a term used by fans, not by teams. Obviously a team isn't going to try to lose games, tanking is simply a term used by fans meaning "hoping" to lose games in return for a more advantageous draft position in what is an otherwise lost year.