Do you guys want a win?

[VeiledPsychosis]

Mosley's turned into a meh, Ngata was became was good, and Flacco is wildly inconsistent.

Now you're just speaking nonsense - Mosley had maybe the best rookie season of any Raven ever, just because his year two has been a little less great suddenly he isn't good anymore, talk about crazy. Ngata, since being drafted, has been one of the most dominantly players in the entire league, again, one down year and suddenly he always sucked, I'm sure you think Peyton is a bust too based on the year he's having. Flacco is a franchise QB, his eight years have more than proven his worth, any franchise QB is worthy of a top 10 pick because they are always in short supply, say what you want about Flacco but without him we wouldn't have ever won a SB in 2012 or made the playoffs all but one of his years, thats not just a coincidence.

[hawkprey]

Not happy when they lose, not happy when they win. Seriously, do people just watch sports to get angry?

[atomicfront]

yes it happens but Ozzie picking top 10 Jonathan Ogden, Peter Boulware Chris Mcallister, Duane Starks, Jamal Lewis, Travis Taylor, Terrell Suggs, so 1 HOF 2 possible HOF 3pro bowlers 1 bust 6 put of 7 excellent players if you count Ngata at 12 Mosley at 17 Flacco at 18 Boller at 19 I Will take my chances

 

 

Where were Ed Reed and Ray Lewis drafted?  I would prefer a higher pick if we don't make the playoffs.  But i am rooting for the team to win every game.  The more games they win that means the better the current player on the team are playing.   There is a half a season left.  It is time for the coaches and players to be evaluated.  

[atomicfront]

I agree. It's funny that the mindset of top 5 pick= super star when one of the best players in the history of the game was 26th in the first round.

 

And Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round.  I was reading something that the most production in the NFL draft was some position in the 20's.  Turns out teams that finish badly do that because they dont' know how to draft.  So they end up making bone-head picks at the top of the draft year after year.  

[Cillmatic]

Now you're just speaking nonsense - Mosley had maybe the best rookie season of any Raven ever, just because his year two has been a little less great suddenly he isn't good anymore, talk about crazy. Ngata, since being drafted, has been one of the most dominantly players in the entire league, again, one down year and suddenly he always sucked, I'm sure you think Peyton is a bust too based on the year he's having. Flacco is a franchise QB, his eight years have more than proven his worth, any franchise QB is worthy of a top 10 pick because they are always in short supply, say what you want about Flacco but without him we wouldn't have ever won a SB in 2012 or made the playoffs all but one of his years, thats not just a coincidence.

Lol, like I said Meh, good and inconsistent.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

I like wins.

But realistically...we're halfway through the season and we're already fielding a team that is makeshift with all these injuries.

That and we stil have Pees.

I don't see how we can overcome both to go on a historic run.

[PurpleCity5]

Of course! You don't want to encourage tanking, ever. Its a mindset thing. You already have a culture in place, how can you just look at your guys and tell them to lose games on purpose? Its never the right thing to do. 

[Purple Nurple]

Can someone give me a documented example of a team the legitimately and purposely tanked? Colts for Luck? It seems like something people like to talk about, but realistically I wouldn't imagine any professional team would do it. Everyone from the owner down agreeing to lose on purpose? BS.

[omar586]

Tank &  Take # 1 pick  To The BANK

[1/28/01]

Mosley's turned into a meh, Ngata was good, and Flacco is wildly inconsistent.

Wow!

[xxhighriser]

And what happens if our #1 overall pick is a bust? Then we tanked our season for what?

Can't do anything about that.  Picking a good 10-15 picks earlier each round though gives us a higher chance of landing the players that would usually be gone when we select.  

[Tru11]

you play to win the game.

[RavensFanMania]

I always want a win.  Very nice to go into the bye week with a win.  I don't think Pees would have been fired with a loss anyway.  A high draft pick would be nice, but I'm not going to root for the Ravens to lose. 

 

Go Ravens......8 more or we don't go

[Guest]

We pulled one out this time and now San Diego has our same record.

 

As far as turning the season around and now we are on our way...without Steve Smith...I'm not going to buy stock yet.

 

We do have the best kicker in the league if it comes down to that.

 

Sorry to those of you guys who want losses in favor of a draft pick, some of us delusional fans believe we can go on an 8 game win streak. How do you guys feel about this win as far as the season goes? Do you want the team to keep losing or do you believe we can win the remaining games on our schedule?

[atomicfront]

Can someone give me a documented example of a team the legitimately and purposely tanked? Colts for Luck? It seems like something people like to talk about, but realistically I wouldn't imagine any professional team would do it. Everyone from the owner down agreeing to lose on purpose? BS.

 

Coaches get fired after having the worst record in the league after having a decent or mediocre season the year before.  Caldwell was fired after the Colts awful season. So was the Vice Chairman and the General Manager.

 

They won two of their last three games.  And were close in the other game.   I don't know why people think teams would try to lose.  The coaches want to keep their jobs and they want to get other jobs in the future.  The GM's want to keep their jobs.   Having the worst record in the league is the way for everyone to get fired.  

 

Also players want to keep playing in the NFL.  Being the worst team in the league means players aren't playing very well.  Players who don't play well don't last in the NFL.  

Edited November 2, 2015 by atomicfront

[Tenacious Faulker]

It's good to see that fans here predominantly want to see wins over losses for high draft picks.  I'll never understand that mentiality because 1) there is no guarranty that a top pick (even a #1 overall) will amount to a super star and 2) it breeds a culture of losing that this team hasn't known in the Flacco-Harbaugh era. 

 

Fair weather fans who want losses for higher draft picks needs to just stop with that loser rhetoric now.  If you can't take it or just have that much more interest in the draft than in the actual season, stop watching now, just tune back in March, then promplty tune back out.

 

All Ravens fans are disappointed.  If the team hasn't quit then why should we expect them too?
 

[cursona pirate]

Who wants to lose in a competitive sport at a pro level?

Stop. Just stop.

[757RavensFan]

Sorry, hoping we lose just to get a high draft pick is just dumb to me.  I would expect that mentality from a fan base of a franchise that's used to missing the playoffs every year. But that's not the Ravens under Harbaugh.  Yes the 1st half of the season was very disappointing, but whatever happened to playing for pride and respect?  I would lose ALL respect for this organization if they willingly didn't put forth the effort just to get a higher draft pick.  Why would any player/coach do that anyway, considering you NEVER know what the team will look like for 2016.  Having guys drafted in the top of each round of the 2016 draft doesn't automatically equal success.  If that were the case, the Browns, Redskins, Raiders, Jags would have been playoff contenders the past 10 years. 

[balfan23]

If we lose at the level of getting a top 5 pick, it will be because very few of our players currently under contract are worth keeping. We will have countless holes to fill. 

 

If we play well and end up 8-8, we miss the playoffs and only get a mid-level pick .. but we'll likely prove that a we have a decent number of our players under contract who are worth keeping. We'll have a manageable number of holes to fill. 

 

What would you rather have, a top pick with lots of holes to fill, or a mid-level pick, with a manageable number of holes to fill? The answer is clearly the latter. 

 

Of course, some fans have already decided that virtually none of our players are worth keeping ... no matter what they do to finish out the season. For them, they need to understand that you can't reconstruct a roster in one year, no matter where you pick. 

[thieverycorporation]

Doesn't really matter. If they do a purge thru player evaluations during the season I'm good. If you deem your players as talented then play them when yoiu have nothing to lose. Matt and the rest of the bench warmers are coming off for a few stints each game. An elongated preseason is what this season has equated to so take the opportunity to solidify your future prospects viability. Coaches can put in work and players can get over those pre-snap jitters.

Edited November 2, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[RavensFanOfLA]

Who wants to lose in a competitive sport at a pro level?

Stop. Just stop.

i know i just saw so many people upset about yesterdays win in the gameday forum and now in this thread just wanted to hear directly from fans 

[PerpetuallyBored74]

I still can't believe this many people are upset about a win.

The way I see it, if we're good enough to be 8-8, then we should hope to play up to our level.

But if we really are a 3-13 team this year, then I hope we nail the off season--the draft, FA signings, coaching and scheme changes, etc.--so we can turn this right around.

I don't want to see Joe's prime go to waste like Ray's and Ed's did.

[usmccharles]

We will be fine, considering the injuries we have suffered this season was an uphill battle before it started. 

[Inqui]

We will be fine, considering the injuries we have suffered this season was an uphill battle before it started. 

This is why I find myself hoping we keep losing the close ones this year. I really think this season's just a blip, so if we can come back next year after getting everyone healthy and adding two picks in the top 40 I think we'll be back with a vengeance.

 

And on the point raised earlier about wasting Joe's prime, I'd say we'd be extending his prime by some way if this one down season lands us Laremy Tunsil or Ronnie Stanley.

[usmccharles]

This is why I find myself hoping we keep losing the close ones this year. I really think this season's just a blip, so if we can come back next year after getting everyone healthy and adding two picks in the top 40 I think we'll be back with a vengeance.

 

And on the point raised earlier about wasting Joe's prime, I'd say we'd be extending his prime by some way if this one down season lands us Laremy Tunsil or Ronnie Stanley.

For the life of me, i can not, will not ever understand this mindset.  Yes i get the reasoning behind it.  But have fun with that....

[Inqui]

For the life of me, i can not, will not ever understand this mindset. Yes i get the reasoning behind it. But have fun with that....

Like I say, I know the season's short and it does feel counter-productive to root against them, but ever since we lost to the Browns it feels on an intellectual level like winning just puts us in a worse draft spot and doesn't do much long-term. I've already said I hope we don't go out of our way to lose, but at the same time wins honestly don't feel as good as when we're actually in the play-off hunt.

So I'm not asking you to understand, but I will have fun with it.

[usmccharles]

Like I say, I know the season's short and it does feel counter-productive to root against them, but ever since we lost to the Browns it feels on an intellectual level like winning just puts us in a worse draft spot and doesn't do much long-term. I've already said I hope we don't go out of our way to lose, but at the same time wins honestly don't feel as good as when we're actually in the play-off hunt.

So I'm not asking you to understand, but I will have fun with it.

Yea i noticed there are some people that have the same mindset as you and like i said, i will never understand not wanting a W for any reason at all.  Maybe the athlete in me, pride, etc....and this debate will never amount to anything since you feel as you do and i feel as i do, nothing could be said to sway me and im sure its the same for you. 

[Inqui]

Yea i noticed there are some people that have the same mindset as you and like i said, i will never understand not wanting a W for any reason at all. Maybe the athlete in me, pride, etc....and this debate will never amount to anything since you feel as you do and i feel as i do, nothing could be said to sway me and im sure its the same for you.

I think a lot of it might be personality too. As much as I want to see us keep fighting (and I do), being aware of the position we're in I'm always aware in my mind that mediocrity is the worst place to be in and I find that for me that always tempers the short-term feeling of winning. I'm always thinking about stuff in the bigger picture (and it drives my partner nuts sometimes), so watching the Ravens is no different.

[Nightman]

I'd like to win as much as possible and run the table, but if we can't it maybe time to rebuild, then built for the long term, even it if means another losing season.  Perhaps get a new GM and let Ozzie retire,  Sometimes you have to let go of the past. 

[omar586]

honestlty  we're not good enough 2 make da playoffs, and i don think we win 8 stright games, not dis year. good year 2 tank and reload good talent, we dont have a chance in playoffs vs. DEN, NE, CINCI, OAK, OR SQUEELERS.

 

 

tank & take #1 pick 2 da bank.