Do you guys want a win?

[RavensFanOfLA]

Sorry to those of you guys who want losses in favor of a draft pick, some of us delusional fans believe we can go on an 8 game win streak. How do you guys feel about this win as far as the season goes? Do you want the team to keep losing or do you believe we can win the remaining games on our schedule?

Edited November 1, 2015 by RavensFanOfLA

[usmccharles]

There already has been a thread about this. You always play to win. I always want to win. Anyone who has ever played sports in life will agree imo

[TSizzle00]

win out, playoffs to a magical super bowl run to beat the Steelers, Bengals and Patriots in route to beating the Falcons in the SB.

[xxhighriser]

There already has been a thread about this. You always play to win. I always want to win. Anyone who has ever played sports in life will agree imo

I've played sports and I still disagree.  No team gets better through mediocrity, if we finish 8-8 this was a lost season.  

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Sorry to those of you guys who want losses in favor of a draft pick and straight losses, some of us delusional fans believe we can go on an 8 game win streak. How do you guys feel about this win as far as the season goes? Do you want the team to keep losing or do you believe we can win the remaining games on our schedule?

If it happens, our only team leader left, SSS, will be absent. With the Zone Prevent D, and lack of weapons, winning becomes difficult to accomplish. That being said, someone once said "Winning is the Only thing!"

[RavensFanOfLA]

win out, playoffs to a magical super bowl run to beat the Steelers, Bengals and Patriots in route to beating the Falcons in the SB.

Given our remaining schedule i believe its possible and how we have lost our games, i believe its still possible to win out the rest of the season after the bye week. who knows maybe i am delusional

[January J]

I've played sports and I still disagree.  No team gets better through mediocrity, if we finish 8-8 this was a lost season.

you must have rode the bench then. Real athletes have passion and never accept losing regardless of the circumstances. Forget the draft position. Yes it would be nice to draft high but you always play to win and let the chips fall where they may. Pro bowl players are found in the 6th round ..and there are top 5 busts all the time. You just never know.

[VeiledPsychosis]

People should know that picking high is no guarantee of a good player. Player picked high bust all the time, its not really about where you pick, gems can be found anywhere and busts can be found anywhere. JJ Watt wasn't chosen top 10. People who favor tanking don't know how the draft works. Nobody is a guarantee, just because you pick high doesn't mean you'll get a superstar by any means.

[xxhighriser]

you must have rode the bench then. Real athletes have passion and never accept losing regardless of the circumstances. Forget the draft position. Yes it would be nice to draft high but you always play to win and let the chips fall where they may. Pro bowl players are found in the 6th round ..and there are top 5 busts all the time. You just never know.

Because my view point differs from yours? Like it or not we're a team that is in need of a rebuild year.  A top ten pick could put us back into contention.  Especially if Smitty and Suggs are done.  

[Sami84]

i don't think people here realize that the ravens need the highest pick possible...

 

we have no cap space unless flacco decides to shock us and free up a tonne.

 

i want Von Miller as a FA. Yes its time to make a splash for a OLB at his peak.

 

Suggs is done.

[VeiledPsychosis]

Because my view point differs from yours? Like it or not we're a team that is in need of a rebuild year.  A top ten pick could put us back into contention.  Especially if Smitty and Suggs are done.  

or we could get a top 10 bust, happens literally all the time, every single year. Some of the best players are not found in the top 10. There is no reason to begrudge winning, we will have a shot at some great players no matter where we pick, a non top 10 has about as much chance of putting us back into contention as a top 10.

[VeiledPsychosis]

i don't think people here realize that the ravens need the highest pick possible...

 

we have no cap space unless flacco decides to shock us and free up a tonne.

 

i want Von Miller as a FA. Yes its time to make a splash for a OLB at his peak.

 

Suggs is done.

You must be trolling. High pick does not mean you are getting a superstar, every year there are plenty of busts taken high. AFter this season we will be rolling in cap space, Flacco isn't putting a burden on our cap, you can retire that tired ignorant talking point. Miller won't be coming here this offseason, Either the Broncos won't let him go or there will be a bidding war and we aren't shelling out for one player, period.

Edited November 1, 2015 by VeiledPsychosis

[January J]

Because my view point differs from yours? Like it or not we're a team that is in need of a rebuild year.  A top ten pick could put us back into contention.  Especially if Smitty and Suggs are done.

no because your in the minority. we don't need to "rebuild" ...we need a few additions to a couple different positions and we will be fine. There are several teams that have had a top ten pick for the last 5 years and they're still not in contention. Regardless we've got to make due with wherever we end up.. Bc tankings not our style. So it is what it is.

[K-Dog]

As long as there is blood flowing in my body I want a WIN. 

[RavensFanOfLA]

you must have rode the bench then. Real athletes have passion and never accept losing regardless of the circumstances. Forget the draft position. Yes it would be nice to draft high but you always play to win and let the chips fall where they may. Pro bowl players are found in the 6th round ..and there are top 5 busts all the time. You just never know.

well said

[TSizzle00]

Given our remaining schedule i believe its possible and how we have lost our games, i believe its still possible to win out the rest of the season after the bye week. who knows maybe i am delusional

 

Ravens are not a good team but dang have they been a drive away in every game this season.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I always want the Ravens to win. However once they are no-longer mathematically in the playoff contention if they lose then obviously we will get more for next years draft if they win well that's always good.

[Purple_City39]

I pray nobody on the team or front office has this tanking mindset.  People act like JaMarcus Russell wasn't the #1 pick, Trent Richardson wasn't #4 if I recall, and a slew of others like them.

A top 3, 5, or 10 pick doesn't guarantee you a superstar.  It doesn't even guarantee you that your draft pick even plays.  Kevin White, drafted 7th, has played as many games as Breshard Perriman (drafted 26th).

[Inqui]

I want to start by saying that I think tanking (in the sense of trading away good players for the sake of "building assets", resting good players for a raft of different reasons and having the players throw games) is stupid and I'm glad the FO and coaching staff aren't short-sighted enough to do that. Anyone who accuses me of wanting to tank is making a strawman argument.

 

The season's short (we're already halfway through) and you only get so many chances to root for the Ravens and it feels like a waste to just want them to lose every week (and then get thrust into an offseason that always takes too long).

 

But with that said, now that the season's more or less over for us I'd be lying if I said I haven't been kinda relieved to see us falling behind ever since losing to the Browns. Nothing's worse than going 7-9 and going from hoping for a Ronnie Stanley, Vernon Hargreaves or Joey Bosa to looking at Tre'Davious White or Reggie Ragland (don't get bogged down by the specifics of who's likely to be there in the middle of the first, the point is that there's a clear step down in talent from the top five or top 10).

 

Even though 2013 was an utterly disappointing season, I was rooting for us to win all the way because our record was never that far off being in contention for a playoff spot. We were playing well enough to get wins and we had breaks going our way and there was still a lot to gain from us doing well. Hell, after that Lions game I felt like we were starting to warm up for a strong postseason run. This season, however, just hasn't been our year. Through a storm of injuries, luck and bad play we haven't been good enough to get it done, and this year is ultimately a lost season imo. The great part of 2013 being a down year was being able to bring in a killer draft class, so I'm hoping we can get an even better group this time around.

 

I still want the players and coaches to keep fighting, and I respect them for it, but as much as I want us to win I keep finding myself hoping we fight hard and come up just short, edging us closer to a top five pick. You can say I'm trying to have a foot in both camps, but if you have a problem with me doing that I think you just struggle with nuanced thought.

[flynismo]

I've played sports and I still disagree.  No team gets better through mediocrity, if we finish 8-8 this was a lost season.  

And what happens if our #1 overall pick is a bust? Then we tanked our season for what?

[usmccharles]

you must have rode the bench then. Real athletes have passion and never accept losing regardless of the circumstances. Forget the draft position. Yes it would be nice to draft high but you always play to win and let the chips fall where they may. Pro bowl players are found in the 6th round ..and there are top 5 busts all the time. You just never know.

Thank you. It's a pride thing

[Cillmatic]

I don't think many of y'all have looked at this upcoming draft class. It's not good.

It's obvious this team needs serious help, if you wanna be delusional(as you yourself out it) you can be. But allow the logical to look towards the future of the team rather than winning against bad teams now and screwing ourselves over in the long run.

Edited November 1, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Wildabeast88]

or we could get a top 10 bust, happens literally all the time, every single year. Some of the best players are not found in the top 10. There is no reason to begrudge winning, we will have a shot at some great players no matter where we pick, a non top 10 has about as much chance of putting us back into contention as a top 10.

yes it happens but Ozzie picking top 10 Jonathan Ogden, Peter Boulware Chris Mcallister, Duane Starks, Jamal Lewis, Travis Taylor, Terrell Suggs, so 1 HOF 2 possible HOF 3pro bowlers 1 bust 6 put of 7 excellent players if you count Ngata at 12 Mosley at 17 Flacco at 18 Boller at 19 I Will take my chances

[usmccharles]

This is beating a dead horse though. People won't be swayed out of their mind set... There's quiters and there is everyone else

Edited November 1, 2015 by usmccharles

[RavensPunkXVX]

Definitely prefer the win.

As a Sixers fan, it's downright pathetic and a disgrace to tank. I prefer the team fight until the last game. No pick is guaranteed a superstar.

And they're not rebuilding, they're a few pieces away from being back in the playoffs. They've been competitive in every single game with a disappointing defense and underwhelming offense, lacking big play superstars.

Will never whine and complain over a win because of a lost draft pick, potentially.

[VeiledPsychosis]

yes it happens but Ozzie picking top 10 Jonathan Ogden, Peter Boulware Chris Mcallister, Duane Starks, Jamal Lewis, Travis Taylor, Terrell Suggs, so 1 HOF 2 possible HOF 3pro bowlers 1 bust 6 put of 7 excellent players if you count Ngata at 12 Mosley at 17 Flacco at 18 Boller at 19 I Will take my chances

...You made my point with your "Ngata at 12, Mosley at 17, Flacco at 18" all great players, none in top 10 (i.e. outside of top ten can clearly result in a great player worthy a top 10 later on). We can add in multiple players to that list like Lewis, Smith, Heap, Reed, and Grubbs - two HOFers both found in the 20s. Clearly top 10 isn't the only thing that matters, shall we go draft by draft and see which players didn't turn out to be worth their top 10 pick? we'll be here for a while

[Wildabeast88]

I get that but at same time 6 out of 7 is great but we could also get a them that needs a QB and get multiple high draft picks for a top 3 pick Ozzie is the best in the business and if we get a kings ransom for it then it makes us that much better. Also just looking we can fill serious holes quickly that's all I'm saying if we were 4-4 I would be chanting playoffs but at 2-6 its unrealistic run the table mediocre is not good sometimes being bad can help turn it around quicker

[usmccharles]

...You made my point with your "Ngata at 12, Mosley at 17, Flacco at 18" all great players, none in top 10 (i.e. outside of top ten can clearly result in a great player worthy a top 10 later on). We can add in multiple players to that list like Lewis, Smith, Heap, Reed, and Grubbs - two HOFers both found in the 20s. Clearly top 10 isn't the only thing that matters, shall we go draft by draft and see which players didn't turn out to be worth their top 10 pick? we'll be here for a while

I agree. It's funny that the mindset of top 5 pick= super star when one of the best players in the history of the game was 26th in the first round. Edited November 2, 2015 by usmccharles

[Cillmatic]

...You made my point with your "Ngata at 12, Mosley at 17, Flacco at 18" all great players, none in top 10 (i.e. outside of top ten can clearly result in a great player worthy a top 10 later on). We can add in multiple players to that list like Lewis, Smith, Heap, Reed, and Grubbs - two HOFers both found in the 20s. Clearly top 10 isn't the only thing that matters, shall we go draft by draft and see which players didn't turn out to be worth their top 10 pick? we'll be here for a while

Mosley's turned into a meh, Ngata was good, and Flacco is wildly inconsistent. Edited November 2, 2015 by Cillmatic

[GrimCoconut]

Always.