The good, bad, and really sad, Week 8 edition

[Deflated Football]

Dude, we weren't making the Playoffs before he got hurt. No need to panic.

Let me guess, you're a huge supporter of Marlon and Aiken just like Demetrius Williams, Yamon and Clayton huh? Poor Flacco is going to get pummeled in the pocket due to lack of seperation or unwillingness to throw the ball to someone with the dropsies.

[IGwheaties_man]

I have to say, yesterday night's game of the Packers vs. Broncos had me thinking how better Joe was as compared to Rodgers against their D. First of all, Rodgers was held to 77 yards, which no defense was ever able to hold him to. The most yards he had been held to was 140. Flaccos yardage, can't remember it off the top of my head, but it was certainly in the 100s, greater than 77, that's for damn sure. Before anyone may argue that it was only that close because of the pressure we brought to Peyton, remember, GB has Clay Matthews. Excluding that one blocked run, the Bronco's o line stepped up big time. And think of Rodger's WR situation. Certainly better than ours. We played a better game vs. The Broncos in Denver than Green Bay did. With way less offensively. Hope that makes someone in here feel a bit better...

[izvoodoo]

I have to say, yesterday night's game of the Packers vs. Broncos had me thinking how better Joe was as compared to Rodgers against their D. First of all, Rodgers was held to 77 yards, which no defense was ever able to hold him to. The most yards he had been held to was 140. Flaccos yardage, can't remember it off the top of my head, but it was certainly in the 100s, greater than 77, that's for damn sure. Before anyone may argue that it was only that close because of the pressure we brought to Peyton, remember, GB has Clay Matthews. Excluding that one blocked run, the Bronco's o line stepped up big time. And think of Rodger's WR situation. Certainly better than ours. We played a better game vs. The Broncos in Denver than Green Bay did. With way less offensively. Hope that makes someone in here feel a bit better...

Yeah, what the broncos did to Rodgers was shocking. That defense is really really incredible.  

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Outstanding win, worthy of heart-and-soul of the game and it's true warriors (i.e. SSS). Thanks.

[757RavensFan]

can we mention will hill stonewalling gordon 1 yard short of the first down, and when gordon gave the extra effort, hill scooped him for a perfect form tackle, and the refs called it unneccessary roughness? 

 

can we also talk about the ghost PI called on webb on a 3rd down stop that had literally zero contact? 

 

the refs are seriously ruining the sport of football, goodell needs to get his act together and focus on wahts important, stop fining players for honoring their dead parents, and start making extreme examples of referees that are absolutely destroying this sport.

 

Whenever the ball carrier's fwd progress is stopped and then scooped up to be tackled, the refs are gonna call that every time.

[berad]

Whenever the ball carrier's fwd progress is stopped and then scooped up to be tackled, the refs are gonna call that every time.

Except on Monday Night Football

[rmcjacket23]

Except on Monday Night Football

Obviously the concept of forward progress being stopped is subjective to begin with, so there is no right or wrong answer.

[berad]

Obviously the concept of forward progress being stopped is subjective to begin with, so there is no right or wrong answer.

Visual light/color receptors vary person-to-person therefore grass is not green, nor sky blue. It is "subjective", as you say.

Officiating isn't black and white but there are 'correct' and 'consistent' calls that aren't being made.

[izvoodoo]

Have to believe the ankle was still bothering him. 

Good to see Boyle looking like an NFL tight end.  Apart from the health issues we have a lot of young talent there.  

[rmcjacket23]

Visual light/color receptors vary person-to-person therefore grass is not green, nor sky blue. It is "subjective", as you say.

Officiating isn't black and white but there are 'correct' and 'consistent' calls that aren't being made.

Cool, but the call you are referencing doesn't fall under that "correct" or "consistent" call not being made theory. Personally, I thought they got the call accurate.

 

Others they missed, but that wasn't one of them.

[berad]

Cool, but the call you are referencing doesn't fall under that "correct" or "consistent" call not being made theory. Personally, I thought they got the call accurate.

 

Others they missed, but that wasn't one of them.

That particular call on Chris Johnson was not consistent with other 'forward progress' calls including the call Melvin Gordon got yesterday

[rmcjacket23]

That particular call on Chris Johnson was not consistent with other 'forward progress' calls including the call Melvin Gordon got yesterday

They're also not comparable either. A guy being stood up in a pile is not the same as a guy who is rolling over on a player on the ground (moving forward).

[berad]

They're also not comparable either. A guy being stood up in a pile is not the same as a guy who is rolling over on a player on the ground (moving forward).

Johnson was not moving forward and was held in place. If the officials wanted to indicate Gordon's forward progress was completed, they should have blown the whistle and ended the play. They swallowed the whistle, as they did in Arizona except this time, when the Ravens completed the play and tackled Gordon, the penalty flags went flying. Had a Raven jumped on top of Chris Johnson, odds are that a penalty would have followed them.

[callahan09]

Johnson was not moving forward and was held in place. If the officials wanted to indicate Gordon's forward progress was completed, they should have blown the whistle and ended the play. They swallowed the whistle, as they did in Arizona except this time, when the Ravens completed the play and tackled Gordon, the penalty flags went flying. Had a Raven jumped on top of Chris Johnson, odds are that a penalty would have followed them.

Exactly right.

[balfan23]

The Good: I suppose I'll go with Flacco. He kept his cool down the stretch with no SSS and with his shotgun snaps going all over the place. The swing pass he managed to get to Ross after a terrible snap was crazy. While Givens wasn't targeted a lot, he had 2 huge plays. 

 

The Bad: That deep ball to Floyd. While the D actually looked respectable at times, it just kills me that we have no one who knows how to play free safety. Hill is a quality guy, but has been largely awful at covering over the top. I thought that was going to be Lewis' job, but Lewis is a massive liability. 

 

The Sad: Man, that is no way for a hall of fame player to go out. Still it is hard to see anyone - even SSS - deciding to put themselves through that rehab hell at age 36 ... after they've already said they've had enough. 

[beanfigger]

So, when Moseley went out for a play or so, Orr filled in for him, right? And he made a huge play right away, if I am remembering things correctly.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Why are so many of you Flacco fans rooting for SSS to retire??

He has plenty of time to reconsider. Stop saying he is finished!

Perriman, another random rookie WR isn't going to be our #1,#2. We need SSS back. Root for the guy to come back!

[JoeyFlex5]

Whenever the ball carrier's fwd progress is stopped and then scooped up to be tackled, the refs are gonna call that every time.

his forward progress isnt stopped, he was churning his legs and making an extra effort to push forward, are you seriously making an argument for that? but if gordon churns past will hill who assumes he stopped his forward progress, then he GETS the first down and will hill looks soft, instead, he took a RB who was trying to push himself forward, and forced him to the ground by completely legal means with a perfect textbook scoop tackle, the refs throw a flag further perpetuating the softening of football, and you somehow argue that it was a good call? 

 

im sorry, but that is flat out sad.

[Deflated Football]

perriman isnt another random guy, he is our first round pick who is injured and when healthy has all the tools to be a pro bowl WR. can he put it together? will he stay healthy when he returns? the jury is out on it, but you have literally already given up on him completely by saying he is just some random guy and isnt even good enough to be a #2 on this team.

jesus god almighty the overreactions are unreal.

did you also hype marlon brown for the past 3 years along with the rest of the folks who have already written off perriman as a bust?

Lol, but Marlontron and Kamar were the next household names! Oh and Campanaro was the next Welker! This is what happens when you're cheap on offense. Get Flacco some playmakers!!!

[Ravenseconbeast]

perriman isnt another random guy, he is our first round pick who is injured and when healthy has all the tools to be a pro bowl WR. can he put it together? will he stay healthy when he returns? the jury is out on it, but you have literally already given up on him completely by saying he is just some random guy and isnt even good enough to be a #2 on this team. 

 

jesus god almighty the overreactions are unreal. 

 

did you also hype marlon brown for the past 3 years along with the rest of the folks who have already written off perriman as a bust?

I didnt call perriman a bust.  I just think writing SSS off is a bad idea.   You need a proven player.   That is all i am basically saying.

[JoeyFlex5]

I didnt call perriman a bust.  I just think writing SSS off is a bad idea.   You need a proven player.   That is all i am basically saying.

well he is what.. 36? and he just tore his achilles with what looks like a very severe tear, he was already planning to retire at the end of the season, i just dont see how he can go home and be with his family, and go through the rehabbing process and suddenly changing his mind, its just unlikely, that rehab process is something that breaks many players. this is just the exact kinda scenario that pushes a tentative guy to full blown retirement. 

 

and you kinda did say that perriman is incapable of being our #1 or #2 lol but i agree you need a proven player, the problem is we have constantly signed "proven" players and every few years we end up searching for another "proven" player, eventually we need a guy thats gonna stick around

[CorvusCorax]

 

Steve Smith Sr. HAS to return next season...

[ellicottraven]

The good - Joe Flacco's interception less game. The bad - the blown coverage deep pass allowed for a TD. The really bad - injuries to players on both teams. The really, really bad - the season ending injury to our best offensive player - SSS!

[RavensFanMania]

The good - Joe Flacco's interception less game. The bad - the blown coverage deep pass allowed for a TD. The really bad - injuries to players on both teams. The really, really bad - the season ending injury to our best offensive player - SSS!

Not to blame injuries, but with all the injuries that we have had we have been playing a basic vanilla defense that EVERY team has been able to diagnose.  When you have a defensive coordinator that isn't creative, like Pees, this is going to happen.  I'm hoping Ozzie and Harbaugh don't give Pees a pass at the end of the season because of all the injuries. 

[JEEPercreepermd]

Let me guess, you're a huge supporter of Marlon and Aiken just like Demetrius Williams, Yamon and Clayton huh? Poor Flacco is going to get pummeled in the pocket due to lack of seperation or unwillingness to throw the ball to someone with the dropsies.

Lol when did I ever say that?

I'm just saying that the Playoffs are out of reach. It's not a loser mentality, it's realism. You need a reality check. Bringing in 1 receiver is not going to magically spark the Ravens to go on an 8 game winning streak..which may not even be enough anyway.

Reality is that this team does not have enough HEALTHY talent to go on that sort of run.

Second, Whatever you said about Clayton and Figurs is hogwash..I never stated that I supported them at all.

Third, my advice to you is to calm down just a tad, and start thinking with your brain, not your heart.. I would love nothing more than to see the Ravens make another January run..but it's not happening. .and that's OK.

It's OK because it will afford the organization a chance to draft some more quality talent to go with players returning next season. .as well as a chance to evaluate what they've got ie..do they send Brown or Aiken packing?ect..

They will be back in full effect next season. So just enjoy it for what it's worth.

Therapy session over. I'll send you a bill.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Not to blame injuries, but with all the injuries that we have had we have been playing a basic vanilla defense that EVERY team has been able to diagnose. When you have a defensive coordinator that isn't creative, like Pees, this is going to happen. I'm hoping Ozzie and Harbaugh don't give Pees a pass at the end of the season because of all the injuries.

Dude they haven't been playing Vanilla defense.

Pees has tried everything. .nothing has worked. I must be watching a different game than you, because I see Pees calling safety blitzes, zone blitzes,man blitzes, they still don't get sacks, even when they drop back in coveragetting out linebackers can't cover TE's and our safeties are letting guys get past them in defenses where their only job is to cover deep..and they STILL blow their coverage.

Half of our defensive starters are average to slightly below average players right now...that's not something that pees can control.

[RavensFanMania]

Dude they haven't been playing Vanilla defense.

Pees has tried everything. .nothing has worked. I must be watching a different game than you, because I see Pees calling safety blitzes, zone blitzes,man blitzes, they still don't get sacks, even when they drop back in coveragetting out linebackers can't cover TE's and our safeties are letting guys get past them in defenses where their only job is to cover deep..and they STILL blow their coverage.

Half of our defensive starters are average to slightly below average players right now...that's not something that pees can control.

Vanilla may be the wrong word, but it's been pretty basic and Pees doesn't disguise his blitzes well and definitely doesn't use enough zone blitzes.  Its been pretty basic.  I agree, we have been blitzing a lot. 

[Deflated Football]

Lol when did I ever say that?

I'm just saying that the Playoffs are out of reach. It's not a loser mentality, it's realism. You need a reality check. Bringing in 1 receiver is not going to magically spark the Ravens to go on an 8 game winning streak..which may not even be enough anyway.

Reality is that this team does not have enough HEALTHY talent to go on that sort of run.

Second, Whatever you said about Clayton and Figurs is hogwash..I never stated that I supported them at all.

Third, my advice to you is to calm down just a tad, and start thinking with your brain, not your heart.. I would love nothing more than to see the Ravens make another January run..but it's not happening. .and that's OK.

It's OK because it will afford the organization a chance to draft some more quality talent to go with players returning next season. .as well as a chance to evaluate what they've got ie..do they send Brown or Aiken packing?ect..

They will be back in full effect next season. So just enjoy it for what it's worth.

Therapy session over. I'll send you a bill.

Settle down there bud. I don't want a WR rental for the rest of the season and then he's gone. I'm thinking about the future as well because if SSS retires, we'll have scrubs at WR while BP is an unknown at the NFL level. Brown and Aiken NEED to be gone. I'm also thinking of Flacco as well because if his receivers can't get open or have the dropsies, it's going to be a long season for him. Don't quit your day job and save your bill. Moving on.

Edited November 3, 2015 by Deflated Football

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Good: The victory albeit pyrrhic. Ray's Pre-Game Inspirational Chalk Talk and his sideline exhortation of the team and the twelfth man.

Bad: The atrocious officiating as usual. Here's a rhetorical question - Do ya think the NFL has something against the Ravens?

Ugly: Undefeated Cincinnati's win over the Steelers was uglier than Pittsburgh's jailhouse jerseys

Sad: Steve's season-ending and probably career-ending injury. I hope he will seriously reconsider and hang in there for one more ride with the Ravens. If not, he truly exemplified what it means to "Play Like A Raven". I hate to admit it but, without him, we may not win more than three games after the bye week. Steve Smith is to the offense what T-Sizzle is to the defense. We've lost the heart and soul of the team with all due respect to the other warriors out there on Sunday after Steve went down.

Elite: You know! Kudos, Joe, for outplaying another top-notch QB  

[Tru11]

Vanilla may be the wrong word, but it's been pretty basic and Pees doesn't disguise his blitzes well and definitely doesn't use enough zone blitzes.  Its been pretty basic.  I agree, we have been blitzing a lot. 

 

basic is what you get when players have issues in communication and at times dont even know what there assignment are.

 

we dont have the players to try real complex stuff because those rely on perfect execution all the way to the finest details.

 

this team cant even generate pressure with a basic 4 man rush against back up o-liners.