[News] Dean Pees: Jimmy Smith Playing Too Tentative

[RavensVAfan]

Well if there is a bright side, it doesn't look like a lot of teams will be putting Trestman on their short list of head coaching vacancies. We may actually have an OC for more than one year. Just need to give him something to work with. I don't like the Steelers but they sure have found a way to stack playmakers at RB and multiple at WR.

[omar586]

whats up w/ 10-15 yards cushions our CBs given up.

[MTRavensFan]

Of course Jimmy's getting targeted more than Webb, and it has nothing to do with the injury.

He's covering the #1 WR most times, and those guys just get targeted more.

Duh...

[MarioDrama]

Pees is so dumb can't wait for Rivers to throw 400 yards

[HoldingCall]

Speaking of CBs, Rashaan Melvin is backing up Malcolm Butler the starting CB for the Patriots and has not been inactive for any game. While here, he had a bad start after an injury and got benched, made inactive before eventually getting cut. It's interesting that the Pats see talent in someone benched from a team with a losing record and activates him for every game. Maybe it's a sign that the secondary is suddenly having problems utilizing talent. Just maybe!

Edited October 30, 2015 by HoldingCall

[JetLife94]

Pees is in denial. Plain and simple.

[EvilWayz]

I guess he's also responsible for little to no pass rush as well. Look in the mirror Pees and you will see the problem.

[RaRaRavens]

UN-FRIKING-BELIVABLE!

 

Even when coaches know for a fact that the bad play of a team is on their players, they NEVER EVER should dis them on the media. It's just not what leaders do. The only thing it does is hurt the players confidence, create distrust between players and coaches, and cause bad blood inside the team.

 

In this particular case it's even worse, because it's you, damn Pees, who is making the calls and lining up CB-s 15 yards away from the WRs!!! How in the hell can you make such statements, that your players should play better! You should be making plays better you fool!

 

And just the fact that Harbaugh allows his coaches to blame players publicly like that shows that he rather backs his homies he has made coaches, rather than stand united with the team and be a metaphorical captain of his ship in the middle of this sh storm.

 

Harbaugh has never been a leader on this team, he has enjoyed the luxury of having players fill that role for him. Now with those leaders gone it is starting to show - players playing undisciplined, not knowing what to do or who to turn to for advice and encouragement, DC pointing fingers at his players, and the only solution he has is making statements like "we need to play better". Harbaugh, and his coordinators, are clueless, just trying not to sink. 

 

With his bias towards his coordinator-buddies being well documented, don't expect any changes from him soon, either. Hopefully, just maybe, MAYBE, Harbaugh will come out the other end of this adversity a better, wiser coach and leader but he is not one at the moment. 

Edited October 30, 2015 by RaRaRavens

[Crusader]

Next year Ravens will have almost 20 million in cap space used up on two corners that are below average at best. 29th in the league. Great move ozzie.

[Crusader]

Poor Dan pees he does not have the tools around him but why in the heck are two guys in the secondary costing the ravens so much for so little? Look up ravens cap space next year

[Ravens Raver]

Two stories in a row from our coordinators -- Trestman's about the last drive in Arizona, and Pees' about what's wrong with his defenders. These guys are supposed to be fixing these issues, not complaining about them. Sounds to me like they're worried about their jobs. They should be.

[Crusader]

Being Tentative is a polite way of saying your being stupid.

[Bross]

I need to know one thing. We know who is the No 1 WR of our opponents. We know their speed, we know almost everything, even the routs. Why do we let Smith or Webb 1 on 1 when we know they will be burnt. In many cases I cannot find out what our safties are actually doing.

[KidNme]

UN-FRIKING-BELIVABLE!

 

Even when coaches know for a fact that the bad play of a team is on their players, they NEVER EVER should dis them on the media. It's just not what leaders do. The only thing it does is hurt the players confidence, create distrust between players and coaches, and cause bad blood inside the team.

 

In this particular case it's even worse, because it's you, damn Pees, who is making the calls and lining up CB-s 15 yards away from the WRs!!! How in the hell can you make such statements, that your players should play better! You should be making plays better you fool!

 

And just the fact that Harbaugh allows his coaches to blame players publicly like that shows that he rather backs his homies he has made coaches, rather than stand united with the team and be a metaphorical captain of his ship in the middle of this sh storm.

 

Harbaugh has never been a leader on this team, he has enjoyed the luxury of having players fill that role for him. Now with those leaders gone it is starting to show - players playing undisciplined, not knowing what to do or who to turn to for advice and encouragement, DC pointing fingers at his players, and the only solution he has is making statements like "we need to play better". Harbaugh, and his coordinators, are clueless, just trying not to sink. 

 

With his bias towards his coordinator-buddies being well documented, don't expect any changes from him soon, either. Hopefully, just maybe, MAYBE, Harbaugh will come out the other end of this adversity a better, wiser coach and leader but he is not one at the moment. 

Sorry RaRa but, there is no way you could know all of this unless you're a player in the locker room. Everything I have ever seen from Harbaugh is a Parent like mentality towards his players and if you mess with any of them, you have to deal with him. I'll admit he did throw Babin under the bus but he was gone as soon as he dressed again after that game so he was no longer a Raven at that point.

We're all asking for honesty from our team and leave the excuses at home. This is part of that I think.

 

I think the biggest reason for our poor play is the lack of a steady coaching team. That makes more sense than these guys "having no clue". That's taking it a step too far IMHO.

We're all kinda pissed at our record but with a post like this, you might want to change your avatar.

[DrinkmoreBeer]

I think the problem is Pees. Our DB's play 10 yards off the line, giving up the short pass and allowing speedy ones to beat us deep with double moves.

[B.more careful 111]

I saw smith 5-10yards of the line against Arizona, I don't get it, I thought he was known for his man to man press coverage why was he always all the way back there?

[B.more careful 111]

Well I think our next defensive coordinator will be Chuck Pagano next year

[slowboater]

Too tentative? How about he got paid?

[RaRaRavens]

Sorry RaRa but, there is no way you could know all of this unless you're a player in the locker room. Everything I have ever seen from Harbaugh is a Parent like mentality towards his players and if you mess with any of them, you have to deal with him. I'll admit he did throw Babin under the bus but he was gone as soon as he dressed again after that game so he was no longer a Raven at that point.

We're all asking for honesty from our team and leave the excuses at home. This is part of that I think.

 

I think the biggest reason for our poor play is the lack of a steady coaching team. That makes more sense than these guys "having no clue". That's taking it a step too far IMHO.

We're all kinda pissed at our record but with a post like this, you might want to change your avatar.

I admit I might have overreacted and exaggerated a bit - and please bear in mind this is my opinion of the situation with the limited facts that we as fans have and I'm not claiming it's the undeniable truth - but I still feel that Harbaugh is protecting his coordinators and saving them from some fair criticism.

 

The biggest basis for this opinion of mine came when one of the CBs we signed during this season (I think it was Shareece Wright) got burned deep in his first game with us against SF. Harbaugh flat out yelled on him on live TV in front of the whole nation. He was covering Torrey Smith and wasn't given any safety help over the top. 

 

Now, yes he screwed up for giving up the big play. But any DC who leaves a newly acquired average CB 1-on-1 against Torrey Smith, whose speed this coaching staff should well know, without any safety help can't realistically hope he can cover such a speedster in single man coverage. I might understand the gambit, but the fault wasn't solely on Shareece. 

 

And what does Harbaugh do?? Yell on him on the sidelines for because he wasn't physically able to keep up on Smith in coverage that he did not choose. Yeah, sounds like great, parently thing to do.

 

After the game, and I've looked through all the transcripts, not once has Harbaugh criticized defensive play calls. Yet he has over and over indicated that players are executing poorly and flat out yelled on one which is captured on TV.

 

I agree that all coaches aren't to blame but to claim that coaches aren't at fault here at least as much as the players are is just plain ignorant and stupid, I'm sorry!

 

And yeah! I guess I'm not a real fan of the Ravens because I refuse to hide my head in the sand and pretend everything will get magically better and we'll rebound without any effort. Sorry for that! From now on I'll post that Harbaugh has been to the playoffs all but one of his seasons, therefore in the name of our good sweet lord baby Jesus, there can't possibly be anything he could be doing better. Sorry, buy You lost all your credibility with that sheep of a statement.

[sjk48]

For a player Harbaugh said was going to make history this year Smith has not even come close to that comment. If anything he has regressed for whatever reason. Until he steps up his game he will continue to get targeted.

[jackrogers]

Don't know why he got paid before he could prove he could recover and still play well after his foot injury? What was management thinking?

[ellicottraven]

For DBs' this is a game of inches and moments. A very thin line separates great ones from average ones. Sometimes that line is mental, sometimes understanding your opponent's techniques and routes and most importantly is fast twitch reaction to moves. I believe every DB that is ever drafted to play in the NFL has the speed and athleticism to be great, but are either ravaged by mental errors, technique errors or are just not studying their opponents.

[Drew P]

First sign of a poor coach... placing all the blame on your players and never accepting responsibly

 

Isn't that pathetic and it just goes to show the slug is in defense mode

[cobrajet]

I hope Jimmy gets healthy and returns to the shutdown corner we all want.

[MTRavensFan]

I hope Jimmy gets healthy and returns to the shutdown corner we all want.

Me, too

Lisfranc's are notorious for taking a long time to come back to 100%. Better coaching also wouldn't hurt.

[Prino61]

WHEN I WAS A KID I DISLIKED PEAS, NOW THAT IM AN ADULT I DISLIKE A DIFFERENT KIND OF PEES. I expect a endorsement from Charmins toilet paper soon with the way our defense is playing

Edited October 31, 2015 by Prino61

[ravensohyea]

I'd rather a tentative Jimmy Smith than an injured one.

[NNITRED]

Smith's confidence has been shaken every since he got torched against the Raiders. He's reverted to his 2011/12 style when he thought being in the area or alongside a WO was enough. When fans are still harping over Torrey being over with 4 years of decent production Jimmy was awarded a whopping $55mill/22gntd deal with only one solid season and while he was still injured. Ozzie got outflanked by Rosenhaus and an open market threat. It's no coincidence that injury talk is back only after he falls short. Everybody claimed he was 100% at the beginning of the season. IMO this is less about injury and more about Smith realizing that nobody is afraid him. He got Top 5 Money. His effort at least (if not his results) should also be Top 5. Right now it isn't.

[steelraven]

He's not playing tentative, he just dupe the ravens into thinking he was one of the NFL's top corners.

[KidNme]

I admit I might have overreacted and exaggerated a bit - and please bear in mind this is my opinion of the situation with the limited facts that we as fans have and I'm not claiming it's the undeniable truth - but I still feel that Harbaugh is protecting his coordinators and saving them from some fair criticism.

 

The biggest basis for this opinion of mine came when one of the CBs we signed during this season (I think it was Shareece Wright) got burned deep in his first game with us against SF. Harbaugh flat out yelled on him on live TV in front of the whole nation. He was covering Torrey Smith and wasn't given any safety help over the top. 

 

Now, yes he screwed up for giving up the big play. But any DC who leaves a newly acquired average CB 1-on-1 against Torrey Smith, whose speed this coaching staff should well know, without any safety help can't realistically hope he can cover such a speedster in single man coverage. I might understand the gambit, but the fault wasn't solely on Shareece. 

 

And what does Harbaugh do?? Yell on him on the sidelines for because he wasn't physically able to keep up on Smith in coverage that he did not choose. Yeah, sounds like great, parently thing to do.

 

After the game, and I've looked through all the transcripts, not once has Harbaugh criticized defensive play calls. Yet he has over and over indicated that players are executing poorly and flat out yelled on one which is captured on TV.

 

I agree that all coaches aren't to blame but to claim that coaches aren't at fault here at least as much as the players are is just plain ignorant and stupid, I'm sorry!

 

And yeah! I guess I'm not a real fan of the Ravens because I refuse to hide my head in the sand and pretend everything will get magically better and we'll rebound without any effort. Sorry for that! From now on I'll post that Harbaugh has been to the playoffs all but one of his seasons, therefore in the name of our good sweet lord baby Jesus, there can't possibly be anything he could be doing better. Sorry, buy You lost all your credibility with that sheep of a statement.

I never claimed the coaches weren't at fault, I said I believed it had more to do with a rotating coaching staff every year and PS players starting games as well as picking up cast offs from other teams and plugging them in after a week, than the coaches not having a clue as you put it.

You said Harbaugh yelled at a defensive player on TV. It's not like he took him in front of the camera and interviewed him, the camera just happened to be on him and how would he know that anyway? (He should have handled it better but he's under a lot of pressure too you know) You said he never blames the Defensive plays called. In that instance, it wasn't the play, it was the player and knowing for sure if it was a play or a missed/wrong assignment is hard to know from the couch.

 

My biggest issue is you name calling when you're not agreed with and when did I ever claim to have any "credibility"?

Relax dude, I'm not your enemy just pointing out that your RaRaRavens avatar seems a bit of misnomer. Mine fits perfectly :-)