The Treadwell Treadmill or the Boydmobile?

[edthehead]

If we are in the top 5 trade back and get another WR,, 2 strong WR,,,keep SSS for another yr, and spend the rest on def,,,

I;m good 

[January J]

Can't see us going wr in the first...although I definitely wouldn't hate it. With SS's veteran experience departing- I see us going the free agent route to get a proven threat - otherwise our wr corps will be 4 or 5 guys with 0-2 years experience and very very little production, just can't see it. secondary or pass rush will be addressed and we'll pick up a receiver between the 2nd and 4th. Now if we could trade back and still get a guy like Myles jack in the early second I would be all for going receiver in the first. However my top preference right now is Hargreaves or Ramsey all day.

[JoeyFlex5]

The one gripe on Treadwell is his blocking. He is HORRENDOUS at run blocking. There are actually guys on this forum that could hold a block longer than him.

while it would be nice to have a near perfect wr, I think that would be the last of my concerns

[edthehead]

Can't see us going wr in the first...although I definitely wouldn't hate it. With SS's veteran experience departing- I see us going the free agent route to get a proven threat - otherwise our wr corps will be 4 or 5 guys with 0-2 years experience and very very little production, just can't see it. secondary or pass rush will be addressed and we'll pick up a receiver between the 2nd and 4th. Now if we could trade back and still get a guy like Myles jack in the early second I would be all for going receiver in the first. However my top preference right now is Hargreaves or Ramsey all day.

now ramsey,,, ok we can go there I like him,, if we are top 5 and  trade back to 10-14 maybe 15 for mr.Treadwell  that a nice spot for him,but there is also a rb in that range kid from ohio st. 

     we need a play maker and I think we should not play around . we need an impact player whether it is WR or RB either or I am happy then we can go all defense,,,, 

Edited October 30, 2015 by edthehead

[Cillmatic]

Heads up, Boyd is playing tonight

[GrimCoconut]

Boyd is the only player on offense worth a damn on Pitt. Lol, he's really their only weapon. Maybe that's an exaggeration, but I came away impressed.

 

I know this thread is about Treadwell and Boyd, but I also caught some of Doctson and that guy is good! He just keeps impressing me every time I watch him. I like this guy a lot!

[Inqui]

Boyd is the only player on offense worth a damn on Pitt. Lol, he's really their only weapon. Maybe that's an exaggeration, but I came away impressed.

Good for him to have some prior experience.

[RavensFanMania]

Boyd is the only player on offense worth a damn on Pitt. Lol, he's really their only weapon. Maybe that's an exaggeration, but I came away impressed.

 

I know this thread is about Treadwell and Boyd, but I also caught some of Doctson and that guy is good! He just keeps impressing me every time I watch him. I like this guy a lot!

Not to get too far off point, but depending on how strong the first round talent is, Doctson may end up going in the first round.  Last year there weren't 32 players worthy of first round consideration.  This year I'm not sure, I'll leave that answer to the boards scouts.

[GrimCoconut]

Not to get too far off point, but depending on how strong the first round talent is, Doctson may end up going in the first round. Last year there weren't 32 players worthy of first round consideration. This year I'm not sure, I'll leave that answer to the boards scouts.

I think there's a really good chance he goes in the first.

[January J]

Damn I wish fournette was coming out this year. He's like Jamal Lewis with roid rage. Be cool if they changed the rules this year just in time for us getting a top 5 pick.

[Inqui]

Damn I wish fournette was coming out this year. He's like Jamal Lewis with roid rage. Be cool if they changed the rules this year just in time for us getting a top 5 pick.

Yeah, I dunno if it's just a case of wanting what you know you can't have, but Fournette or Amari would probably be my favourites heading into the draft if they were eligible this year. Frustrating season to have a down year.

[jazz1988]

Good for him to have some prior experience.

lol I caught that one

[Jamal]

Boyd is the only player on offense worth a damn on Pitt. Lol, he's really their only weapon. Maybe that's an exaggeration, but I came away impressed.

I know this thread is about Treadwell and Boyd, but I also caught some of Doctson and that guy is good! He just keeps impressing me every time I watch him. I like this guy a lot!

Wouldn't surprise me if Doctson ends up being the first WR taken when it's all said and done.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Wouldn't surprise me if Doctson ends up being the first WR taken when it's all said and done.

Me neither. He needs to bulk up but he's smooth and had good body control. And amazing hands. And I like Boyd a lot too.

[January J]

Yeah, I dunno if it's just a case of wanting what you know you can't have, but Fournette or Amari would probably be my favourites heading into the draft if they were eligible this year. Frustrating season to have a down year.

I don't think that is the case this time...fournette is one of them game changers that can change the whole course of a franchise for the next decade. If we just had him and then completely focused on our defense we could become the Ravens of old and just ground and pound and play gritty afc north hard hitting football. Then we wouldn't be asking so much of Joe and he could just be a game manager. Not to mention what that strong of a running game would do for the play action and deep ball. I know it's pointless to talk about cuz it ain't happening, but oh well one can dream. Back on topic. Edited October 31, 2015 by January J

[Inqui]

I don't think that is the case this time...fournette is one of them game changers that can change the whole course of a franchise for the next decade. If we just had him and then completely focused on our defense we could become the Ravens of old and just ground and pound and play gritty afc north hard hitting football. Then we wouldn't be asking so much of Joe and he could just be a game manager. Not to mention what that strong of a running game would do for the play action and deep ball. I know it's pointless to talk about cuz it ain't happening, but oh well one can dream. Back on topic.

I actually think that if we got Fournette (or some other game-breaking RB) and beefed up the OL we'd see a lot more Postseason Joe. That's why I'm pounding the table for Stanley and Tunsil atm, even though we have Monroe and I've been smitten with Ramsey ever since we lost to the Bengals and I thought we'd have a shot at him.

 

Joe himself had a career year last season, when we had Kubiak improving the OL beyond imagining and had a better focus on a run-first scheme. No-one would have called him a game manager that season, but it was the running game that let him thrive. The Packers were a great team, but struggled in a big way in the postseason without a dominant running game to improve their ball control. Look what even Lacy's done for them, and no-one would call Rodgers a game manager. Even with Dez and Romo, the Cowboys struggled at 8-8 until bringing in Frederick and Martin. It was when Murray was able to start averaging 5ypc that their offence was able to become the dominant force it is now.

 

I think a top-tier running game would do far more for us than people give it credit for. As crazy as it sounds, it might even do more for us than patching up the secondary, adding another edge guy (assuming we can fill the McPhee void) or getting Joe a franchise WR. I know our running game is decent atm, but I'm talking about a top-five or top-10 unit where you can just tell the defenders what you're going to do and it won't matter because they can't stop it anyway.

 

Since we're in fantasy-land, what I'd love is to trade from 2 to 6 and still be able to get a guy like Tunsil. If the team we trade with sucks enough next year that we're in a position for Fournette, that'd leave us with Monroe - Tunsil - Zuttah - Yanda - Wagner, with Tunsil able to slide to LT by the time Fournette arrives. THAT would instantly put us in the Lombardi picture and add a TON of consistency to Joe's game imo. But like you say, that's not happening. Nice to dream, but that's the kind of thing I'd love to see us build towards.

[RavensFanMania]

I think there's a really good chance he goes in the first.

We are in agreement there.

[BSHU_Miami]

I actually think that if we got Fournette (or some other game-breaking RB) and beefed up the OL we'd see a lot more Postseason Joe. That's why I'm pounding the table for Stanley and Tunsil atm, even though we have Monroe and I've been smitten with Ramsey ever since we lost to the Bengals and I thought we'd have a shot at him.

Joe himself had a career year last season, when we had Kubiak improving the OL beyond imagining and had a better focus on a run-first scheme. No-one would have called him a game manager that season, but it was the running game that let him thrive. The Packers were a great team, but struggled in a big way in the postseason without a dominant running game to improve their ball control. Look what even Lacy's done for them, and no-one would call Rodgers a game manager. Even with Dez and Romo, the Cowboys struggled at 8-8 until bringing in Frederick and Martin. It was when Murray was able to start averaging 5ypc that their offence was able to become the dominant force it is now.

I think a top-tier running game would do far more for us than people give it credit for. As crazy as it sounds, it might even do more for us than patching up the secondary, adding another edge guy (assuming we can fill the McPhee void) or getting Joe a franchise WR. I know our running game is decent atm, but I'm talking about a top-five or top-10 unit where you can just tell the defenders what you're going to do and it won't matter because they can't stop it anyway.

Since we're in fantasy-land, what I'd love is to trade from 2 to 6 and still be able to get a guy like Tunsil. If the team we trade with sucks enough next year that we're in a position for Fournette, that'd leave us with Monroe - Tunsil - Zuttah - Yanda - Wagner, with Tunsil able to slide to LT by the time Fournette arrives. THAT would instantly put us in the Lombardi picture and add a TON of consistency to Joe's game imo. But like you say, that's not happening. Nice to dream, but that's the kind of thing I'd love to see us build towards.

that sounds great....but one thing you're missing is, even with a good running game we need Wrs that can quickly get seperation. In this scenario that you painted out I don't even think we need a stud just a group of cubists by chain movers at Wide out

[Inqui]

that sounds great....but one thing you're missing is, even with a good running game we need Wrs that can quickly get seperation. In this scenario that you painted out I don't even think we need a stud just a group of cubists by chain movers at Wide out

Not sure what you mean by "cubists by chain movers", but since it's all a fantasy scenario I'd imagine we don't deviate a whole lot from what we currently do - find cheap veterans and not force anything in the draft. I was honestly impressed by how good Aiken and Brown looked against NE when Revis locked down Sr, which I think says more about postseason Joe than anything, and our young TE group is only going to get better.

 

As to the philosophy itself, I agree we don't need a Dez Bryant at all, or even a "WR1" (however you define that). Just a couple of guys who can get open and let Joe do most of the work. They shouldn't be too hard to find.... right?

[GrimCoconut]

Wouldn't surprise me if Doctson ends up being the first WR taken when it's all said and done.

I'm on record here saying I think he could have a Kevin White rise. What he brings to the table makes it very difficult to overlook him and his potential to rise. He's just been too productive and he's shown too much to not likely rise in the first round.

If he kills the combine, it's over.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Boyd is the only player on offense worth a damn on Pitt. Lol, he's really their only weapon. Maybe that's an exaggeration, but I came away impressed.

I know this thread is about Treadwell and Boyd, but I also caught some of Doctson and that guy is good! He just keeps impressing me every time I watch him. I like this guy a lot!

Conner and Ollison aren't bad at all. Especially Conner but he's out for the year. But indeed.

[GrimCoconut]

Conner and Ollison aren't bad at all. Especially Conner but he's out for the year. But indeed.

Yeah. It was an exaggeration to say that Boyd carries that team. I'll be thrilled with him if we took him. I think I agree with most now that he's the best WR in this class with Treadwell behind him. I think Doctson may be able to challenge him if he keeps it up

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Yeah. It was an exaggeration to say that Boyd carries that team. I'll be thrilled with him if we took him. I think I agree with most now that he's the best WR in this class with Treadwell behind him. I think Doctson may be able to challenge him if he keeps it up

I think it's all the more impressive he's been working with awful QB's. But I agree Doctson looks really good.

[BSHU_Miami]

Not sure what you mean by "cubists by chain movers", but since it's all a fantasy scenario I'd imagine we don't deviate a whole lot from what we currently do - find cheap veterans and not force anything in the draft. I was honestly impressed by how good Aiken and Brown looked against NE when Revis locked down Sr, which I think says more about postseason Joe than anything, and our young TE group is only going to get better.

As to the philosophy itself, I agree we don't need a Dez Bryant at all, or even a "WR1" (however you define that). Just a couple of guys who can get open and let Joe do most of the work. They shouldn't be too hard to find.... right?

stupid phone, I meant to say consists of chain movers

[808Blackbirds]

i wonder if tyler boyd grew up hating the ravens. i like boyd though

 

i also like james conner from pitt maybe 2017 we can get him when he's healed up and healthy

[The Oakland Cathedral]

i wonder if tyler boyd grew up hating the ravens. i like boyd though

i also like james conner from pitt maybe 2017 we can get him when he's healed up and healthy

I don't know about Boyd but I know Conner is a big steelers fan so he probably hates the Ravens from a fan standpoint.

[Mt. Crushmore]

The one gripe on Treadwell is his blocking. He is HORRENDOUS at run blocking. There are actually guys on this forum that could hold a block longer than him.

Hmm...

https://vine.co/v/eYqKqzqFbVz

[Cillmatic]

Hmm...

https://vine.co/v/eYqKqzqFbVz

I was basing it off of his game film from last season. Looks Iike he's improved.

[PurpleCity5]

Josh Doctson is my new fav. WR in this draft. IMO he should be the first WR off the board. I like Boyd plenty, but I've love Doctson's game, he actually plays big and knows how to use his size very well. His game against Minnesota last year was impressive. He runs some nice routes, has some serious speed, and man he makes some plays on the ball. I really like him quite honestly. 

Edited November 3, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[rmw10]

Is there a worse thread title anywhere else on the boards?  What awful nicknames.