The Treadwell Treadmill or the Boydmobile?

[Cillmatic]

Probably the last one of these threads I'll make.

It's been 8 years, it's time to get Joe a weapon. There are two really good WR's coming out this year projected as first rounders. Laquan Treadwell and Tyler Boyd. Treadwell has taken the college scene by storm with his play and Boyd is coming off the best game of his career. Assuming the FO decides to trade back and get a WR, which of the two would you take?

 

Treadwell:

 

 

 

Boyd:

 

 

 

sorry about the link mess up.

Edited October 28, 2015 by Cillmatic

[GrimCoconut]

Depends on who's there. This may be a year I'd rather get a WR in the second or third than the first. I like both these guys but I can't justify taking them over other players where we'll likely be picking. If we win games and get out of range of my top 5, then these guys immediately shoot to the top of my list.

I see Boyd and Treadwell as 10-20 pick players.

[JoeyFlex5]

i prefer treadwell. i know many other prefer boyd but i just like treadwell better. i see treadwell as a 7-10 guy and boyd as a 10-15 guy. i like them both though. 

 

if we take either in the first round, its because we won too many games to close the season or because we traded back, if we are finishing with a top 5 pick which seems very possible, then we wont be taking either. 

 

i like the [current] value of the early 2nd much better, with docston, dural, and williams.

[Ravens4Real]

Didn't the Lions prove already how to sink a franchise for a decade by drafting WR's in the first round over and over again?

We have way too many holes to draft another WR.

[JoeyFlex5]

Didn't the Lions prove already how to sink a franchise for a decade by drafting WR's in the first round over and over again?

We have way too many holes to draft another WR.

while that may be a theory thats worth a thought, after SSS retires this year, then WR will become the biggest hole on the team. even worse if perriman doesnt pan out, then it is by far the biggest hole on the team and we will need to take desperate measures to address it. 

 

we could do much, much worse than trading back to 5-6-7 and taking treadwell and racking up a future first, as a matter of fact, it would be hard to do better.

[PurpleCity5]

I like both guys and if we do play out of the top ten then I like them both as guys we could pick, that said after watching both I'm convinced Boyd will be a special player, I kind of lean towards Boyd right now. 

[PurpleCity5]

Didn't the Lions prove already how to sink a franchise for a decade by drafting WR's in the first round over and over again?

We have way too many holes to draft another WR.

I really disagree. Everyone outside of Steve Smith Sr. and at times Aiken have been downright awful. I know we have Breshad but unless he plays you don't know what you'll get in him. If you look at Flacco, he looks both uncomfortable, and at times frustrated. I feel like he needs a reliable, starting option at WR outside of Smith Sr. and right now there is none. 

 

Take the first round label away from Breshad and are you going to go into off-season relying on him? I wouldn't and I hope we don't. Nothing against Breshad, you just don't know what you have there. 

 

I'm not in favor of picking a WR based on where we on, but if we were to trade back and take a WR I wouldn't be mad, after Smith Sr. retires WR will be the biggest hole on the team.

Edited October 28, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[RaineV1]

while that may be a theory thats worth a thought, after SSS retires this year, then WR will become the biggest hole on the team. even worse if perriman doesnt pan out, then it is by far the biggest hole on the team and we will need to take desperate measures to address it. 

 

we could do much, much worse than trading back to 5-6-7 and taking treadwell and racking up a future first, as a matter of fact, it would be hard to do better.

 

If Bosa, Ramesay, and Nkemdiche are gone and some team wants to trade a future first to us to go grab one of the QBs, I'd take that in a heart beat. Falling back to the 9 to 12 range and picking up one of these guys with getting extra high picks out of the deal would be amazing.

 

I'm leaning towards Treadwell since I think he plays with more physicality. We'll need someone like that after SSS retires.

Edited October 28, 2015 by RaineV1

[JoeyFlex5]

If Bosa, Ramesay, and Nkemdiche are gone and some team wants to trade a future first to us to go grab one of the QBs, I'd take that in a heart beat. Falling back to the 9 to 12 range and picking up one of these guys with getting extra high picks out of the deal would be amazing.

 

I'm leaning towards Treadwell since I think he plays with more physicality. We'll need someone like that after SSS retires.

id have to put stanley on that list as well, but yeah trading back and getting a future first without falling too far would be an incredible move

[rmw10]

Didn't the Lions prove already how to sink a franchise for a decade by drafting WR's in the first round over and over again?

We have way too many holes to draft another WR.

 

And one of those holes is WR.  I get what you're saying, but with Steve Smith retiring, the only guys we'll have under contract are Breshad Perriman, Michael Campanaro, and Darren Waller.  Even if we keep the likes of Kamar Aiken, Marlon Brown, Chris Givens, etc., that's still not an inspiring group.  If there's a guy we deem to have #1 WR talent, then I could see us taking one.

[Cillmatic]

If Bosa, Ramesay, and Nkemdiche are gone and some team wants to trade a future first to us to go grab one of the QBs, I'd take that in a heart beat. Falling back to the 9 to 12 range and picking up one of these guys with getting extra high picks out of the deal would be amazing.

I'm leaning towards Treadwell since I think he plays with more physicality. We'll need someone like that after SSS retires.

I second this notion. If neither of the top defenders are available we need to get Flacco a weapon.

[Deflated Football]

I'm taking VH3, Bosa or Ramsey ahead of the top two WR's, but if those three are gone and Goff or Cook are still on the board, I would love to see Ozzie trade down a few picks and get one of the two. Laquon looks like Dez Bryant and Boyd is a beast.

[Cillmatic]

The one gripe on Treadwell is his blocking. He is HORRENDOUS at run blocking. There are actually guys on this forum that could hold a block longer than him.

[Ravens4Real]

Our pass rush is the biggest issue with this team right now. Not WR. I would even argue LT is even bigger than WR. If we had any type of talent evaluation, we would be smart and pick up a WR in a later round.

Picture what this team will look like if they take another WR in the first round and he pans out like Perriman is doing? We will be terrible again next year.

It all starts in the trenches and we need massive help.

[Cillmatic]

Our pass rush is the biggest issue with this team right now. Not WR. I would even argue LT is even bigger than WR. If we had any type of talent evaluation, we would be smart and pick up a WR in a later round.

Picture what this team will look like if they take another WR in the first round and he pans out like Perriman is doing? We will be terrible again next year.

It all starts in the trenches and we need massive help.

WR is as big if not a bigger need than pass rusher, next season we'll have Suggs and Dumervil. Who do we have at WR? Perriman and no one.

[Ravens4Real]

WR is as big if not a bigger need than pass rusher, next season we'll have Suggs and Dumervil. Who do we have at WR? Perriman and no one.

An aging Suggs who can't stay healthy and Dumervil who is getting old also? Yeah, pass rusher is a bigger need. I'm not saying we don't need a WR. Just that good pass rushers and LT are taken early and usually need to be taken in the first round. You can hit on a WR at any point in the draft. It doesn't need to be a first round priority.

[Jamal]

The only way I'd ever spend a top 10 pick on a WR would be for a Julio Jones or AJ Green type prospect. Nobody in this draft comes close to those guys.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If Bosa, Stanley, and Nk are gone, then you trade back into the 10s and take Boyd. Who is a better player in my eyes and has experience with our current WR coach. He's a very safe pick in my eyes. So is Treadwell, but Boyd has some strong strong hands and good body control.

[RaineV1]

Our pass rush is the biggest issue with this team right now. Not WR. I would even argue LT is even bigger than WR. If we had any type of talent evaluation, we would be smart and pick up a WR in a later round.

Picture what this team will look like if they take another WR in the first round and he pans out like Perriman is doing? We will be terrible again next year.

It all starts in the trenches and we need massive help.

We're going into next season with Perriman and Aiken as our top receivers. OLBs need some depth, but we still have Suggs and Doom as the starters, both of which are very good. Also, those late receivers have failed for us ever time.

[Maryland]

Boyd seems like the best WR in a weaker class. He is not really worth a top-10 pick. 

 

Treadwell has struggled to get separation vs better DBs. That's only going to get harder in the NFL. While he may be very good at getting those contested catches, it limits his upside to being only a very good possession receiver and not a bonafide #1. I do think he would be a good compliment to Perriman though--it'd be Torrey and Boldin all over again. 

 

As Grim said, this looks like a good year to get a WR on day 2. There are a lot of good, but not great WRs in this class. Guys like Dural, Demarcus Robinson, Doctson, and probably a few more. 

[Inqui]

Boyd seems like the best WR in a weaker class. He is not really worth a top-10 pick. 

 

Treadwell has struggled to get separation vs better DBs. That's only going to get harder in the NFL. While he may be very good at getting those contested catches, it limits his upside to being only a very good possession receiver and not a bonafide #1. I do think he would be a good compliment to Perriman though--it'd be Torrey and Boldin all over again. 

 

As Grim said, this looks like a good year to get a WR on day 2. There are a lot of good, but not great WRs in this class. Guys like Dural, Demarcus Robinson, Doctson, and probably a few more. 

I agree with most of this. Tbh I'm really bummed that Amari wasn't eligible this year - Fournette too, but that's another discussion.

[Cillmatic]

An aging Suggs who can't stay healthy and Dumervil who is getting old also? Yeah, pass rusher is a bigger need. I'm not saying we don't need a WR. Just that good pass rushers and LT are taken early and usually need to be taken in the first round. You can hit on a WR at any point in the draft. It doesn't need to be a first round priority.

You realize that we were top 5 in sacks last season? Plus you even said, at least we have Suggs and Elvis. Name ONE WR you trust next season.

[RavensFanMania]

You realize that we were top 5 in sacks last season? Plus you even said, at least we have Suggs and Elvis. Name ONE WR you trust next season.

he's definitely not on the roster given the fact that Smith has currently stated he is retiring.

[RavensFanMania]

Depends on who's there. This may be a year I'd rather get a WR in the second or third than the first. I like both these guys but I can't justify taking them over other players where we'll likely be picking. If we win games and get out of range of my top 5, then these guys immediately shoot to the top of my list.

I see Boyd and Treadwell as 10-20 pick players.

I believe atleast one of the two will enter the top 10. 

[RavensFanMania]

We're going into next season with Perriman and Aiken as our top receivers. OLBs need some depth, but we still have Suggs and Doom as the starters, both of which are very good. Also, those late receivers have failed for us ever time.

the last time we picked a receiver in the first round, not including Perriman since he isn't on the field yet, was prior to Flacco.  Torrey worked out for us for the most part in the 2nd round.  People need to stop bringing this up.

[Ravens4Real]

You realize that we were top 5 in sacks last season? Plus you even said, at least we have Suggs and Elvis. Name ONE WR you trust next season.

I think my point is going over your head. We need to take an OLB or LT in the first round. We can take multiple WR's in the draft. It doesn't and shouldn't be the first round, especially if we are in the top ten. There is not one WR that is going to come in and turn our team around. A franchise LT or someone to fill in for Suggs and Dumervil when they are on their last leg will help the team out in the long run.

I understand many people hate these types of picks because they aren't "flashy" but at the end of the day it's better for the team.

[Cillmatic]

I think my point is going over your head. We need to take an OLB or LT in the first round. We can take multiple WR's in the draft. It doesn't and shouldn't be the first round, especially if we are in the top ten. There is not one WR that is going to come in and turn our team around. A franchise LT or someone to fill in for Suggs and Dumervil when they are on their last leg will help the team out in the long run.

I understand many people hate these types of picks because they aren't "flashy" but at the end of the day it's better for the team.

This is a pretty weak year for WR's though.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I'll take Boyd no question. He's just so polished. He gets great separation, rarely drops passes, great body control, he's a yac/rac machine. Heck, he even produced with voytik who was garbage.

[Cillmatic]

I'll take Boyd no question. He's just so polished. He gets great separation, rarely drops passes, great body control, he's a yac/rac machine. Heck, he even produced with voytik who was garbage.

I'm really hoping he's available in the 2nd round.

[Ravenseconbeast]

You realize that we were top 5 in sacks last season? Plus you even said, at least we have Suggs and Elvis. Name ONE WR you trust next season.

Our secondary/pass rush killed our game this season more than our WRs. If we are really sinking into top 10 pick, I would never grab Treadwell that high.