Offense under Trestman

[JEEPercreepermd]

Ok so we are almost at the halfway point of the season.

How do you feel about Trestman'so performance so far?

We DO have to keep in mind the injuries that have occurred. .guys who have missed games or out for the season.

My personal feelings are that this is more his offense than Kubiak's offense from last year.

I don't like the play selection at times. We had 3rd and goal from the 5 against Cleveland. .he runs a draw from the shotgun which Cleveland snuffed out quick..

I hate the jet sweeps, Campanaro scored on one..but had to make guys miss in the backfield first.

No too big on FB screens either..yes they can be a good drive starter. .but you can't start every half with the same play as he has done for 2 weeks.

All in all I'd give him a C+ grade so far. Honestly, I was hoping we would get Gase and run that EP system..not a big fan of West Coast Offense.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think he's bad. He's not working with a lot. I'll give him at least another year and a WR who wants to play football before I run him out of town.

[gtalk12]

I like the offense so far, what I don't like is Flacco all of the sudden developing a habit of throwing it off his backfoot. He isn't throwing right, could be him trying to over compensate for the lack of talent.

 

He did miss Givens though. For the first time I saw him get angry

[salamander]

Mixed feelings on Trestman. It is difficult with so little to work with in the way of WRs with the exception of SSS. Some play calling suspect but otherwise feel that Trestman is still finding his way. The offense is giving me less concern than the defense at this point.

[RavensFanMania]

I agree, I'd give him another year with more talent on the offense for the simple fact that it would give Flacco a 2nd year with the same offensive coordinator.  I feel Trestman has been doing fine with the limited talent, espcially with the injuries that have occored on the offense.  Yes, play selection can be a little off at times, but that is true of any OC.  What I don't like is that he is running too many inside runs with a rb that is better for the stretch.  We need to run more stretch and then our running game would be better and in turn our passing game would pick up.

 

Anyway, we are in the top 3rd in the league in offense with the limited playmakers.  Hopefully Perriman can play some this year so he get to see him in action.

[hawkprey]

The offense needs more downfield throwing. Otherwise it's been impressive, keeping pace with our lousy defense.

[Ravens2343]

I agree, I'd give him another year with more talent on the offense for the simple fact that it would give Flacco a 2nd year with the same offensive coordinator.  I feel Trestman has been doing fine with the limited talent, espcially with the injuries that have occored on the offense.  Yes, play selection can be a little off at times, but that is true of any OC.  What I don't like is that he is running too many inside runs with a rb that is better for the stretch.  We need to run more stretch and then our running game would be better and in turn our passing game would pick up.

 

Anyway, we are in the top 3rd in the league in offense with the limited playmakers.  Hopefully Perriman can play some this year so he get to see him in action.

 

I agree I would like to see Trestman back for next year, especially with Flacco having the same OC for more then one season.  If we retool our receiving corps this offseason and add explosive playmaker(s), then Trestman should fare much better next year. 

 

I agree that Forsett should be running stretch plays more often, Trestman also has him running into 8 man fronts a few times each game.  Once our receiving group is up to par with other NFL offenses, then Trestman should have a full range of play calls to put our players in spots to make plays.  One play I would like to see is getting our tight ends or Juice involved in the screen game like Kubiak did last year.  Pitta ran a few of them early before his injury and Daniels ran some and they worked effectively. 

[Cillmatic]

Given Flacco's inconstant play, the worst receiver core in the league and bad O-line I think he's been good, we're averaging like 25 points a game. I think he could stand to call shotgun formations more. I think he stays for a while.

[Purple_City39]

A few plays a game really annoy me but all things considering, Trestman has done very well.  

[ratedr]

Overall I'm willing to keep him for another year. But some of his situational playcalling is horrific, particularly inside 2 minutes and at the goal line.

[RaineV1]

I think Trestman and Flacco still aren't quite on the same page, and there are definitely times that Trestman's playcalling annoys me. That said, he's getting decent results. Not amazing, or reliable, but he has had some really good moments. His situational playcalling needs to improve a bit, and I wish he'd use Ross and Givens more.

 

Just for the sake of some consistency I'd keep him for another year, unless an candidate comes forward that's just obviously better.

[da#1ravensfan]

Trestman has been good considering how our receivers are and defense has been playing. I would like to see what this offense looks like with starting caliber receivers and tight ends.

Edited October 28, 2015 by da#1ravensfan

[Tru11]

he ain't got much to work with and seeing the points and yards we usually manage per game i think he is doing a decent job.

[Free Agent]

Considering what he has to work with, I've been pleased. I will say I've been especially impressed with some of the route combinations he's drawn up. The guy is incredibly clever when it comes to drumming up ways to get receivers open who typically struggle to get open. I think this offense could potentially be very potent with some receivers who actually show up to play, outside of Steve.

[January J]

To sum it up we have done enough on offense to win almost every single game. Aside from Denver maybe which is understandable. ( first game , top defense in the league)..it's been something else that has costed us every single game. Mostly the defense ..fluke plays..and on Monday it was the fumble on special teams and.questionable officiating. Trestman has done a respectable job considering what he has to work with. And anybody would look bad having to follow Kubiak...that's not easy to do. Every now and then he does call a play that makes you scratch your head...but overall I'd give him a B-

Or 3 1/2 stars on yelp .

[usmccharles]

Im actually excited for this offense.  Some play calls i dont like, you will say that with everyone though.  Like others have said, considering all the adversity we are going through and still averaging 25pts ish, how can people not be pleased?  But that being said, im already worried for next year (assuming SSR retires) with what we will have to work with.

 

We still dont know what we have in BP, I hope we can just say he comes in as a step behind Torrey when he left.  But then who? we will have a nice TE group but unless he puts Max in the slot like i suggested before, or does something else creative, they all wont see the field at the same time.  So moving forward it will really depend on what talent we bring in to help him.  I have been a huge advocate saying i think we end up with Garcon, Vjax, R White... i like them in that order. 

 

I dont know what will happen with Camp, but its hard to assume he will be here, let alone play.  Waller, Aiken, Brown.  If BP and Garcon are our number 1and 2...i can live with that setup for now, but i think we really need to address the RB position this year.  I think i may be on an island when i say i dont see anything amazing with Allen, i see a guy who is big and will get whats given to him...maybe i just need to see more of his runs. 

[Deflated Football]

Trestman is doing the most with what he has to work with. I like him, but I like his daughter, Chloe, more.

[thieverycorporation]

Trestman should be given an opportunity to insert his own playbook. Period.

[PurpleCity5]

I think he needs to quit the cute stuff that just don't work. Other than that I think he's done well.

[Moderator 3]

He also needs to vary the first play of the half call.

[GrimCoconut]

He also needs to vary the first play of the half call.

Lol you mean the Juszczyk check down?

[Static]

My Fair Accessment of Trestmen.

 

I've seen more creativity from Trestman than any of our other coordinators. Which I like. Even Kubiak got quite Vanilla at times.

 

 

His playcalling is at times , well brutal to watch.

 

But we are currently NUMBER 8  ( Which is higher than where we finished with Kubiak) in total offense and would be even higher if we cut down on turnovers. Trestman is doing something right. Not to mention his unit is a bit talent depleted at WR and O-line has been What the heck? at times. I mean having Hurst at LT is quite the challenge for a coordinator.

 

All in all he is doing a very good job moving the ball with what he's been given but I'd like to see a better job sustaining drives and playcalling.

 

 

When I look at the defense I realize I have no reason to complain about Trestman.

[Inqui]

Dunno where we are now in terms of the stats, but as of last week we were in or close to the top 10 in yards and points per game, and ahead of some really good units. All this with Joe on a down year, an mediocre to decent OL, a young TE group and probably the worst WR group in the league.

I think he's been overperforming. He's no Kubiak, but there's nothing wrong with that given how fantastic he was with us. Some of his calls have been a bit weird, but I also have to wonder how much of that owes to our overall lack of talent on that side of the ball.

[-Truth-]

Lol you mean the Juszczyk check down?

 

+1

[Militant X 1]

I see 3 things when watching Trestman's offense that are eerily similiar to Cam Cameron's back in the day.  They are:

 

Pre....

 

Dict....

 

Able....

[sflegend89]

Gave him the benefit of the doubt to start the year but the Cardinals game was a big red flag for me. SO much small ball, such a lack of willingness to take shots down the field or throw the ball on early downs. Very predictable, very Cam Cameron-esque, come out in these compact formations and allow the defense to pin their ears back and sit on the run/short passing game.

 

His use of playaction is silly and rarely get's any defenders to bite. We run the ball ineffectively to start the game and then he wastes valuable time post-snap and formation flexibility by opting to line up in a run heavy set only to use a mis-timed playaction that nobody bites on. The games are officiated so tight these days why not take more shots down the field? Why not let Joe give the WR a chance to make a play and at the very least force a clean pass defense by the DB? Givens and Ross both have the speed, not having Perriman isn't an excuse to not execute any passes over 5-7 yds. We march right down the field at the end of the 4th quarter when all we can do is pass but for the rest of the game we play overly conservative small ball, I don't like it one bit.

 

Stop treating Flacco like he's Alex Smith, Flacco is our best player, how can he be effective when all he's doing is handing the ball off and throwing checkdowns? Trestman treats Joe like he's a game manager and not a high level QB, it's ridiculous from a playcalling stand point. Put the freaking ball in Joe's hands and let him do his thing, I would rather go down swinging than go down being overly conservative. The running game is still important but the checkdown driven passing game has to go.

Edited October 28, 2015 by sflegend89

[K-Dog]

Well for starters, he is not going anywhere.    The O.C. revolving door needs to stop one of these days.  Even if he is not the best there is, there is something to be said for stability and continuity. 

 

Much like Pees last year and this year, he is trying to get Porsche performance from a Toyota offense.  We have significant personnel issues on offense.  Considering what Tressman has to work with I think he is doing just fine.  Not great.  Fine.  He can do better.  He can do a LOT better with better tools that is for sure.  Talk to me end of next season.

[KBoum]

Looks likes his playbook is too simple. Too many checkdowns to Forsett for 1-2 yards. Not enough stretching the field.

He doenst have lots of weapons thats for sure.

 

He's a very good Passing Game coordinator but I'd like to see Castillo more involved in the running game schemes. Trestman isnt so great as finding nice running plays. Most of the time he'll just use the same running play 4-5 times and run it different way and no alternative to that play. If you wanna run it 4-5 times maybe you could run a playaction from it. Like we saw vs the Cards... he had lots of runs for negative yardages as the defense knew what was coming. The only games the running game was effective was vs Poor Run defenses.

 

Also too often he uses the Playaction without an efficient running game so other teams DC just blitz Flacco and its an incomplete pass. Happens a lot of first down. ALso looks like his passing plays don't have any HOT Throw. Lots of time he blitz will just break the entire play if the receiver can't get open in time. I don't see any quick slant or hook from the Slot/TE or things like that when other defenses are blitzing.

 

Like lots of y'all said, the FB pass opening drive are brutal. Looks like Trestman doenst have any type of ajustement during half time I don't think I recall the Ravens a great 2nd half first drive for points its mostly 3 and outs.

 

But the big problem I see is : He's too Predictable.

 

3rd and 1 with Talieferro : inside run.

3rd and 1 with Steve Smith in motion : SS pass in the flat.

Opening drive : FB pass

After a good first down run : 2nd and 3 will be a run and stuffed pretty easy

 

I also saw vs the 49ers IIRC ... Trestman went in Spread formation and tried to run the ball vs 8 man in the box on 3rd and short. They stuffed it pretty easy 8 vs 5. Flacco has got to audible I don't know what role he has for now. I like his passing schemes and he could be VERY good with some good deep treats but needs to work on every level : short/intermediate/long. If they blitz gotta have a Hand Signal for the Hot Throw.

 

I also liked the few crossing routes last few games. Steve Smith in motion running a drag and Marlon I think ran a Dig. Easy to read vs Man to man. Aiken had some nice gain on crossing patterns behing the LBs in front of the safeties vs cover 2.

 

So to cap it all : Give him 1 more year with more weapons and needs to implement for hot throws to counter the blitz and give the running attack to someone else.

[KBoum]

Also I forgot 1 IMPORTANT thing :

 

Clock management has been HORRIBLE. Late game or half sometimes he just runs a stupid pass inside so the clock continues. I remember one game it was just brutal I'm pretty sure it was versus the Browns and this looks to be the one thing that John Harbaugh HATES.

 

The camera showed John a few time shouting at Trestman after the horrible clock management

Edited October 29, 2015 by KBoum

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Trestman is not as good as Kubiak(few are), but he's signfigantly better than either Cam or Caldwell.... We Ravens fans are just displeased because he's not a superstar coordinator. He has his crappy moments, mainly inside of two minuets, but he's done a pretty good job. I'm happy we found a happy medium. If you have the 8th total offense, and the only guy that has been consistently healthy for you not named Flacco is KAMAR AIKEN, then you're doing something right.

If you gave Flacco just one more good WR then this offense would be the least of our worries. We'll need to add maybe two next year when Steve leaves(one in the mid rounds in the draft and one in FA), but I'm okay with Trestman.