[News] Was Jeremy Ross' Knee Down On Critical Fumble?

[drillem]

The NFL is more entertainment than sport. The refs are amusing with all their dramatic new rules and decisions. Pro football is becoming more like WWF wrestling. I'm waiting to see Killer Kawalski come flying in from the sideline to give a belly-splash to some player, coach or ref. Or some player getting a chair to stand on and jump down onto some opponent with a coco-bunt. The games are decided by bogus rules that don't seem to apply to both sides. Then there's the side show going on off field including courtroom trials over deflated balls, wife swapping or beating and players who get shot and play with bullets still inside. Yeah the NFL is very amusing and entertaining.

[Zeus]

Hold onto the ball, always!

[Zeus]

What happens when the NFL reviews these blown calls by the refs and sees that they were wrong?

[Ravens_Flock]

A bad team loses games. We're a bad team. So we lose games. Who cares if his knee was down or not. Do you really think that a couple of instances of bad luck every game have been what has doomed us? We're not good enough to win. Period. So we lose games. Our QB is wildly erratic and often mediocre, and he does not elevate the talent around him. Our Coach is a guy who lets his (talentless) coordinators do most of the work, while he wastes time outs and stands on the sidelines looking bewildered. Our "great" GM continues to bring in sub-par talent through the draft and FA, even though he's a "genius". What did you think all of that was going to add up to? This team was lucky to make the playoffs last year, due mainly in part to our pass rush and run game. If not for those things, you see how awful our D is, and how bad Flacco actually looks when the game is in his hands, and he can't rely on the run. So there you go. A bad team loses games. And we are now, without question, a bad team.

[ciro]

if pees were to be fired, who's out there that you think would be a good fit for us?

[Ravensfansince03]

if pees were to be fired, who's out there that you think would be a good fit for us?

 

Ed Reed

[Ravensfansince03]

This offseason this team will regroup, and Ozzie and company will find the right pieces for this team along with the pieces we already have. Everything happens for a reason, and these losses have served as a wake up call for this organization. At least after this season this organization should have a pretty good plan on how to not end up here again. Once we draft more productive players and add some Vet WR's after Steve Smith retires (respectively) we will be great again. We lost a heck of a lot of players to injury/free agency/trade so once we regroup and shuffle around we will be fine.

[Ravensfansince03]

I made a wrong call. Courtney Upshaw actually played well in that game. I criticized him for a bad move he made that ended up with the Cardinals RB running for a big gain if not the TD (I cant remember). But other than that, after watching the replay earlier on NFL network, Upshaw actually made some great plays, some went unnoticed like the hit he put on #20 during our punt return.

[Ravensfansince03]

Back before our SB win, Ray Lewis told our players "don't let the game be decided by the refs".

[CQ1]

To have the 'proper weapons' or not. If Joe continues to be inaccurate and does not hit these receivers, it really does not matter, does it ?!

[Purple Dawg 96]

Ross was down but I feel the Ravens need to let Matt start! It's on paper Joe's numbers are down and can't keep blaming the WRs all the time Joe doesn't scan the field he stares down his WRs just like the safety for the pats said "Joe looked at me the whole way" and threw it to Torrey ANYWAY! What more has to happen for some of you to see he is DONE! Matt will get us a win and the Ravens #1 pick should be a QB! Why not I watched my Ohio State Buckeyes win a National title with a freshman QB!

[ciro]

Ed Reed

reason why i would agree is that so many people mentioned how he would study tape and his opponents before a game, don't even know if he said that he would be interested in coaching. anyone else?

[RaRaRavens]

I truly believe that this is all happening for a reason. I can not even count the referee mistakes, unexplainable injuries, missed opportunities, player mistakes, and weird up-in-the-air moments that didn't go our way anymore. It's not statistically possible that all these things happen to one and the same team week in and week out, it's just not realistic. But like Lewis said, God always has a plan!

 

We can not know what that plan is right now, but for whatever reason we have to suck this season. Maybe it'll mean we get a GOAT player with first picks of the 2016 draft. Maybe it means that we can keep someone for long term who is under performing this year but will be unstoppable force for years to come. Maybe it will mean that the cap space, player motivations, top form, health, players themselves and all the other puzzle pieces will fall into place next year and we will go on another run for the ages.

 

Whatever the reason is, I'm confident there is one. Because there is no other explanation for ALL these unbelievably bad and unlucky things happening to us all at once. So hang on, let's grind it out and embrace it - something better is just around the corner. GO RAVENS!

Edited October 28, 2015 by RaRaRavens

[rmcjacket23]

I disagree. First off, J.Ross gained 8 yards, not 2. The first two miss tackles were nothing but flailing arms barely touching him. (He did not fumble the ball to the ground, the ball was taken because #28 strong armed the ball away from him) He made the correct decision that he could fake out the first two tacklers which he did with ease, it was not till he was starting to reach the 2nd level that the ball was snatched from him. That type of play can happen anywhere, even to wide receivers after catching a 30 yd pass. If anyone is to be partially blamed, it is Anthony Levine, twice, Levine did not hold off the runner #28 toward J.Ross as well as not doing his job to prevent #28 from getting back up and sneaking up on J.Ross from behind. Had Levine impeded the tackler from reaching J.Ross from behind (J.Ross's blind spot for which Levine is responsible for), this would have never happened. That is why Harbaugh gave J.Ross another chance. He also returned a kickoff 28 yards. J.Ross is shifty and very fast, to not use a little aggressiveness on J.Ross's ability to make shifty moves and explode would be taking away chances for long gains. If Levine impeded #28 even milliseconds by simply shoving him on shoulder would have possibly prevented the take away.

And there's the risk... to break two tackles and gain 8 yards, we are risking the football. We know he has a history with fumbling, which can occur at any time expect some people fumble more than others.

On this punt, he's got one rusher, unabated, less than 5 yards in front of him when he catches it, and he's got another in the lane over, about 7-8 yards away, again, unabated. I don't care whether or not they were arm tackle attempts or not, because that's AFTER you've already made your decision to return it.

ST can be quite simple from a macro perspective... don't screw up. You don't have to be great at it to win games, and you don't need to get 10 yards a punt return in order to be successful. Its a luxury item, and luxury items come with risks. Everybody liked when Jacoby would bring the ball out from 8 yards deep in the endzone on kickoffs, yet they ignored the fact that he got dropped at the 10 or 15 yard line quite often when doing it, which cost the team yardage.

I get the desire to "make plays" and all, but knowing game situation and knowing the likelihood of a big play happening given the coverage you've seen is far more important. I agree that the blocking should have been better, but its a punt return... the blocking is always suspect.

In anybody actually goes back and looks at the alignment of players on screen when he fields the punt, there's practically nobody that would expect him to not fair-catch it. In fact, he's more likely to take a big shot than he is to advance the ball.

[RobF]

First of all, no 1 play cost us this game. There was plenty of bad decisions to go around. However, I still stand by my statement yesterday, "Let's support our men and cheer them to victory. Defend the Bank". I am appalled at the discontent amongst us fans when it comes to finding blame. There is no blame. None of the "nay-sayers" on here are professional coaches. Let's do our job and cheer 'em on. GO RAVENS !!!

[ravenwildman]

Of course it was, Ray Charles could have seen that. I was shocked when the call was confirmed of a fumble, but after the Urshel ineligible/eligible thing I realized the refs were going to call this game NOT in the favor of the Ravens. GO RAVENS!

[NCMan]

The call on the field carries a lot of weight. Whether wrong or right. There always needs to be clear evidence to reverse a call.....even when the ref gets it wrong w/the initial call. We've all seen it happen many times. I do hope that all refs are graded and the bad ones get let go, which I think does happen. It doesn't seem to be working sometimes, I must admit.

[Space11jams]

To have the 'proper weapons' or not. If Joe continues to be inaccurate and does not hit these receivers, it really does not matter, does it ?!

Why is Joe throwing inaccurate passes? Has our line been playing at a high level in the passing game? No it hasn't. You can't expect pinpoint passes when you're not comfortable in the pocket. Joe doesn't look comfortable in the pocket to me. Especially last game. The Cards pass rush was insane. This just isn't on Joe or the receivers. Our o-line needs to step up as well. Monroe can't stay on the field to save his life and we're giving up petty penalties to set drives back. This is a TEAM problem. Just not one person.

[Moderator 3]

Why is Joe throwing inaccurate passes? Has our line been playing at a high level in the passing game? No it hasn't. You can't expect pinpoint passes when you're not comfortable in the pocket. Joe doesn't look comfortable in the pocket to me. Especially last game. The Cards pass rush was insane. This just isn't on Joe or the receivers. Our o-line needs to step up as well. Monroe can't stay on the field to save his life and we're giving up petty penalties to set drives back. This is a TEAM problem. Just not one person.

It's also a problem that we're throwing too much. We should not be throwing 40 times a game. We need to get better at running the ball.

[Drew P]

Whelp out Ross in Asa

[bozo]

this year is a total loos all around, from injuries to the ref favoring the opposing team in all matches, the called questionable call against the ravens at the most crucial times. add adds up to a 1-6 record.

[Crusader]

Does it matter? Ravens are still 1-6 Get use to it. The nation does not view Baltimore in a good light.

[PalmBayRaven]

It's also a problem that we're throwing too much. We should not be throwing 40 times a game. We need to get better at running the ball.

 

Well maybe if we had a real power running back we could actually run the ball better. Don't get me wrong I like Forsett but I really miss the power back like Jamal Lewis, Priest Holmes type player. Not keeping Priest Holmes was a mistake made by the Ravens.

[Space11jams]

It's also a problem that we're throwing too much. We should not be throwing 40 times a game. We need to get better at running the ball.

That's Trestmans offense which we should've known was going to happen. Every time flacco throws over 35 attempts we loose. You're right! We need to get back to playing smash mouth football. Running the ball and for goodness sake run some PLAY ACTION! Did they forget how effective Flacco was running playaction?! It's rarely done now. I was sold on Trestman in the beginning of the season but now he's nothing like Kubiak. Too many passes to RB/FB. Seems like every play is a pass to Kyle. We should've opted and went after Kyle Shannonhan. He has Atlanta pass game/run game rocking. Oh well. It will be another year we'll be looking for a new OC.

[Space11jams]

Well maybe if we had a real power running back we could actually run the ball better. Don't get me wrong I like Forsett but I really miss the power back like Jamal Lewis, Priest Holmes type player. Not keeping Priest Holmes was a mistake made by the Ravens.

We have Lorenzo for the smash mouth plays. He's just dealing with injuries right now. I love Forsett/Allen combo that we're giving these teams. Allen is an absolute beast and he WILL become the featured back when it's all said and done. With Forsett/Allen and a healthy Lorenzo, or run game can really thrive if the o-line continues to open up holes. 

[bryangraham013@gmail.ocm]

I understand that Flacco just not the QB to make the players around him better, but he has always lacked the weapons necessary other than Boldin, I see other NFL QB's we are built to run the ball not throw and this is why and having not one elite WR during Flacco's time. Ryan came in the same time as Flacco he had Roddy White and went out and mortgaged and drafted Julio Jones Dalton has elite and a great supporting cast weapons so does Big Ben get the picture guys I have never understood Ozzie when it comes to WR. Oz let's go buddy

[Swift 1]

The worst call was the forward motion non call. Calls like this will get ball carriers killed

[Crusader]

Man rmcjacket23 I think you out did me in Negs on that one :0)

[Ravensfansince03]

reason why i would agree is that so many people mentioned how he would study tape and his opponents before a game, don't even know if he said that he would be interested in coaching. anyone else?

 

Besides Ed Reed lol, a feisty and discipline demanding Head coach from a college team that knows defense. But I think theres a good chance Ed will be a coach soon, just hope its with us.

 

Also Ray Lewis should be a coach. His job at ESPN, although it is big bucks, is not a good fit for him. And its becoming more and more clear every time I see him on TV

Edited October 29, 2015 by Ravensfansince03

[Dorota]

Besides Ed Reed lol, a feisty and discipline demanding Head coach from a college team that knows defense. But I think theres a good chance Ed will be a coach soon, just hope its with us.

 

Also Ray Lewis should be a coach. His job at ESPN, although it is big bucks, is not a good fit for him. And its becoming more and more clear every time I see him on TV

I would take Ed Reed as a coach any day. He's a leader by example, is dedicated to improving on the field and in the film room and also a very good speaker, where he expresses well, not only in emotion, but also in clarity.

Neg me all you like, but I don't think Ray Lewis would make a good coach. He's also a great player and a leader by example and a great motivational speaker, but all of that is through emotion. Most of his speeches make me feel "I have no idea what the dude said, but I feel all charged up! Let's go do whatever it was he said! Yay!" Would he be able to explain to individual players where they can improve, what's a way to up your technique etc beyond "You gotta hustle! You gotta want it!"?