[News] Was Jeremy Ross' Knee Down On Critical Fumble?

[BR News]

Returner Jeremy Ross felt his knee was down, but the call stood after review.

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[BallOfFoot]

Down by ankle: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d814828c9/Austin-down-by-ankle

Not down by ankle: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000566613/Ravens-Jeremy-Ross-fumbles-on-punt-return-Cardinals-recover

Got it.

[rmcjacket23]

Fair catch the ball. You had to break two tackles just to gain two yards.

 

Do your job.

[TheConquerorWorm]

David Reed 2.0

[20306cab]

Put Webb back there full time! If he gets hurt, so what. He always gets hurt. As a matter of fact, this may improve his health and CB play. That's how it was 3-4 years ago!

[GeeWallee]

I thought he still had possession when his lower leg was on the ground.

Of course , I also saw Urschel "clearly" signal himself as "Eligible" while staring right at the Referee. So, what do I know ? LOL

Chris Johnson's calf touched the ground before he rolled over on to Williams. There certainly wasn't a replay angle to show that, however.

Still....we have to find ways to Win and not allow Officials to have an input into a Game's outcome.

[stampedehero]

His knee was down.  Now if he was a Pats player the refs probably would have helped him up afterwards 

[Static]

Hold onto to the ball. Period .

[Ravensfolyfe]

This game pissed me off with these refs

[reed20fence]

I don't blame Ross for this. In my book if the guy's knee, shin, ankle are clearly down while the defender is still in the process of trying to snatch the ball away the tie goes to the ball carrier. That's how I've always seen it called in 26 years of watching football.

I think the problem is a ref that wasn't focusing called it a turnover, so the onus of proving the tie in our favor fell on overturning a close call as opposed to the other way around. Had it been called down by contact it would have stood as well.

So yet another example of players not making mistakes or plays, but outcomes still being determined by refs.

[Vitalvicious]

Smh, it was painful to be at that game and watch as the crowd went from thinking the game was over before the blocked punt, up until the int on that final drive. I think we played a decent game, the refs made some HORRIBLE HOMETOWN calls that basically cost us the game. These NFL refs should be ashamed!

[rmcjacket23]

I don't blame Ross for this. In my book if the guy's knee, shin, ankle are clearly down while the defender is still in the process of trying to snatch the ball away the tie goes to the ball carrier. That's how I've always seen it called in 26 years of watching football.

I think the problem is a ref that wasn't focusing called it a turnover, so the onus of proving the tie in our favor fell on overturning a close call as opposed to the other way around. Had it been called down by contact it would have stood as well.

So yet another example of players not making mistakes or plays, but outcomes still being determined by refs.

I blame him, because there's no reason for him to be moving his legs at all.

 

Fair catch. Its easy, simple, and its the correct decision in that spot. When you have to break two tackles to gain two yards, throw your hand in the air and wave it like you just don't care. Then catch the ball.

 

There's a risk to guys "trying to make plays", and you saw it right here. Do your job.

[The Mom Gene]

His knee was clearly DOWN. You can see it if you zoom in on the pic above.

[EliteRavens]

He was clearly down. The refs should be fined

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

Even still, this guy got cut because he fumbled 5 times last year... no surprise still he has ball security issues now.

[stixfix69]

Refs were horrible, Urschel clearly declared himself as a eligible receiver...not to mention all the other ad calls...The reffing around the league this year has been pretty bad, some calls have cost teams games, and that can't happen....They better start training camp for refs soon....

[ravens4life86]

Games like that are why.. I believe NFL is FIXED!! To a degree.

Gamechanging calls are 100% different home vs road games.

And getting the call correct doesnt matter in the NFL!

Uerschel call, horribly obviously wrong. Ross knee down. Obviously Wrong. Then Johnson no forward progress called. 3 gamechanging calls or non calls.. 2 of which are blatent obvious missed intentional blown calls. Uerschel and Ross..

That directly stole points from Ravens or added points to Cards.

FIXED!

All NFL will do is apologize screw that. You cant take back losses.

FIXED FIXED FIXED!!!

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I think his knee was down too. It was close and I am a HOMMER... Does it seem like the refs are having a hard time giving the Ravens a fair called game? Some penalties you can see so clearly but if the opposing team does it seems to only be called a fraction of the time and other ghost calls seem to always happen. I love that they showed Urshel run out and look right at the Ref and give him the eligible receiver sign about 3 times he rubbed his hands down the front of his chest and then he was called not reporting as eligible. SMH....

[Ngata Chance]

How is there no accountability with this and the myriad of other blatant bad calls?  If I go to work and do my job in in the same manner, with the same level of professionalism and integrity that was displayed by that crew last night, I would be fired. End of story. No apologies.  No reviews.  Fired. 

 

When men's jobs hang in the balance, you would expect, and demand, that the ones with the power be impartial, as to allow the teams to decide the outcome of the contest. Instead, on Monday Night Football,  the refs blatantly, and repeatedly, failed to do their jobs. How something so disgraceful is allowed to happen is beyond reprehensible.  

 

 One can only pray that something is done. Punishment is due. Fines.  Suspension.  Demotion.  Would anything less be acceptable?   Sadly, as a fan of this amazing sport,  I won't hold my breath.

[rmcjacket23]

How is there no accountability with this and the myriad of other blatant bad calls? If I go to work and do my job in in the same manner, with the same level of professionalism and integrity that was displayed by that crew last night, I would be fired. End of story. No apologies. No reviews. Fired.

When men's jobs hang in the balance, you would expect, and demand, that the ones with the power be impartial, as to allow the teams to decide the outcome of the contest. Instead, on Monday Night Football, the refs blatantly, and repeatedly, failed to do their jobs. How something so disgraceful is allowed to happen is beyond reprehensible.

One can only pray that something is done. Punishment is due. Fines. Suspension. Demotion. Would anything less be acceptable? Sadly, as a fan of this amazing sport, I won't hold my breath.

You're missing the boat entirely on this one...

1. It would be rare for someone to be fired from their job from one night or day of poor performance. If you repeatedly did bad work over a long period of time, then yes, you would be fired.

2. It implies that all of the calls that fans think were wrong are wrong, which obviously isn't the case. Frankly, the only one that the NFL will acknowledge is incorrect and probably is incorrect is the ineligible receiver call. Many of the other calls, including what fans think is a down knee from our returner, really isn't a bad call by the refs. Its easy to say that everything is a bad call, when fans have the luxury of having slow motion, instant replay, frame-by-frame analysis and can spend hours looking at the same thing. Refs have maybe 5 seconds, tops.

3. There's really no indication that professionalism and integrity was the issue last night, because that implies that the refs were intentionally leaning one way, which no sane person thinks is the case. They may have missed calls, but that's not a failure of professionalism or integrity.

4. At the end of the day, fans think the exact same officials are during our games every week, which pretty much never happens. Different officiating crews work different games.

What I find the most laughable is that fans have already forgotten how much worse it can be. Keep in mind... these are largely the best of the best when it comes to officials for professional football on this planet. We've seen the replacements, and if you think it can't get worse, it can, and we already have prove of that. Easy to demand somebody gets fired when you can actually replace them. In this case, you largely can't.

If we are going to start fining, suspending, firing officials for not doing their job well, then we should do the same thing for players and coaches, in which case based on our performance so far this year, we'd have fired just about everybody and wouldn't be able to field a team.

[chuchu707]

They basically cheated us all game! It was a globe trotters debut

[NCMan]

His knee was clearly DOWN. You can see it if you zoom in on the pic above.

That may be true, but you can't see the ball and just how much control he has of it when the knee is down. The call could have gone either way and there would not been enough clear evidence to reverse it, either way.

[rmcjacket23]

That may be true, but you can't see the ball and just how much control he has of it when the knee is down. The call could have gone either way and there would not been enough clear evidence to reverse it, either way.

Classic case where the ruling on the field is going to be upheld in either scenario.

 

I don't blame them for ruling it a fumble, because I'd have done the same thing.

[Flamengo1265]

There have been more than a couple of NFL games this year whose outcomes were determined by the refs rather than the players.....this call and the Urschel call potentially cost the Ravens 11 points.

[cbrook1862]

The refs not getting that Chris Johnson call right blew my mind, whistle or not, knee down or not, that play was dead.

[gooftroop]

Here's what I see- unlike some teams in this league, the initial call always goes against us. If we're lucky, we get the reversal. If not, just a meaningless mea culpa from the league...

[RavensFootballFan]

Fair catch the ball. You had to break two tackles just to gain two yards.

 

Do your job.

 

I disagree. First off, J.Ross gained 8 yards, not 2. The first two miss tackles were nothing but flailing arms barely touching him. (He did not fumble the ball to the ground, the ball was taken because #28 strong armed the ball away from him) He made the correct decision that he could fake out the first two tacklers which he did with ease, it was not till he was starting to reach the 2nd level that the ball was snatched from him. That type of play can happen anywhere, even to wide receivers after catching a 30 yd pass. If anyone is to be partially blamed, it is Anthony Levine, twice, Levine did not hold off the runner #28 toward J.Ross as well as not doing his job to prevent #28 from getting back up and sneaking up on J.Ross from behind. Had Levine impeded the tackler from reaching J.Ross from behind (J.Ross's blind spot for which Levine is responsible for), this would have never happened. That is why Harbaugh gave J.Ross another chance. He also returned a kickoff 28 yards. J.Ross is shifty and very fast, to not use a little aggressiveness on J.Ross's ability to make shifty moves and explode would be taking away chances for long gains. If Levine impeded #28 even milliseconds by simply shoving him on shoulder would have possibly prevented the take away. 

[HayintheBarn]

Do we really need a second blame-the-refs article in a 24-hour period? Yes, the refs were bad. It's part of the game. We still weren't the better team on the field yesterday, and we need to own that.

[whobilly]

My first thought was that he coughed it up....and he did.

[purpledown]

this is just not the Ravens year,penalties at the most critical times, bad calls and of course injuries (whos done for the year this week?). A strange year and its not at the half way point yet. The Ravens are not a 1-6 football team, they have good young players but dont have much experience. But im not giving up on them, Go Ravens!