[News] Crockett Gillmore, Joe Flacco Break Down Final Interception

[whobilly]

Practice Squad WR's we have on the roster aside, Joe should have thrown the ball out of the endzone so we could run one more play. I hope Tanden Doss and David Reed are gone next.......Oh, I'm sorry, I meant to say Kamar Aiken and Marlon Brown. Interesting how all of these WR's look great and "Catch Everything" while wearing shorts and a jersey in Training Camp.

[Firststater]

Lets face it. Backfoot Joe just heaved the ball over the head of the big receiver as he threw the ball off his back foot. Almost every time Joe panics after feeling pressure and throws off his back foot the ball sails, and winds up sailing high or going off course. These back-foot balls are often intercepted, as was the case against the Cardinals and the 49ers. I am shocked that some coach has not beaten this back-foot throwing tendency out of Joe after 8 years in the league.

[whobilly]

Can we drop the Elite talk. With all due respect to Joe and 29 other starting QB's in the NFL there are ONLY two truly ELITE QB's. Brady and Rogers. Most of the other guys including Joe could be a Top 10 (not top 2) depending on how they play any given week. If we can get some REAL WR's instead of these Practice Squad Wannabees Joe will be fine. A LOT of teams would be VERY happy with a VERY good QB like Joe.

[WNC-Raven]

it was answered a long time ago but seems like it resurfaces every year. I agree with gruden- there's no telling how good flacco actually could be because of the lack of weapons and lack of continuity at the OC position. It's not easy man and he's still hangin in there and Doing a heck of a job all the while not complaining or making excuses one bit. He deserves more credit than he gets and he doesn't deserve this much criticism. Sure he could be doing better but it's so blatantly obvious that he is pressing to make plays and forcing things because he has no choice. If he didn't drives would just constantly stall out and he would take sack after sack because nobody is getting open. Then when they finally do get open the protection doesn't hold up and he's got a defender square in his face.

Nailed it!

[OzzieBisciotti]

It's ridiculous to blame Flacco and Trestman at all. Blame the front office for not giving them any weapons. I believe Chicago had a decent offense when Trestman was there. How can anyone win when we start a 36 year old receiver with two other scrub receivers? For real.

[January J]

That is an amazing pace. Especially combined with the 2-14 W-L pace.  Outstanding!

thats a team stat. 4500 yards would be an individual stat.

[January J]

Practice Squad WR's we have on the roster aside, Joe should have thrown the ball out of the endzone so we could run one more play. I hope Tanden Doss and David Reed are gone next.......Oh, I'm sorry, I meant to say Kamar Aiken and Marlon Brown. Interesting how all of these WR's look great and "Catch Everything" while wearing shorts and a jersey in Training Camp.

because they're going up against our remarkable secondary. They would turn doss into moss.

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

... and then take into consideration what he has to work with and what he's being asked to do. I never look at things like QBR (nobody even knows what QBR is) or completion percentage (an outdated statistic that doesn't correlate with QB success at all).

 

Void of leadership has always been the fan myth, because fans like leaders who wave pom poms and scream in huddles. That's not leadership. 

 

If we're being completely realistic, there's maybe 6-7 QBs in the league playing well right now. Brady, Rodgers, Dalton, Carson Palmer, and maybe a few other guys like Newton/Ryan/Wilson. 

 

Other than that, QB play league-wide has been mostly garbage. There's nothing remotely impressive about guys like Brees, Manning, or Luck right now, and those are the "name" guys that people will probably classify as better. And the sad part is... they've mostly got high quality players up and down their offense.

 

So if I take into account that most of these guys are essentially the exact same, and consider what they have to work with and what Joe has to work with, I have no issue with him being in the top third of QBs league-wide right now. Again, I'd encourage people to actually watch the other games and see what other QBs are doing. If you're going straight to the box score for your information, you're already behind in the conversation.

Fan myth? Man I love you guys. Find me one time a TEAMMATE has stood up for Flacco's leadership. I can tell you Suggs, Lewis, and Reed have all been quoted on saying he needs to stand up and lead or "cuss somebody out". I guess their opinions don't matter either. It's pretty easy to understand QBR - it just puts more weight on scoring plays, 1st down completions, and other stats that lead directly to winning games. I watch Redzone every week so I can say I get a decent idea of how other QBs are playing. If you try to tell me you watch all the other games each week I'm calling a preemptive BS on that now. I see you strategically left out the INT point... So if you don't look at all those things... you know stats, wins, turnovers, leadership... Tell me why you DO think he's a top 10 QB when ALL signs point to the contrary...

[Zeus]

When will a coach (pees) be fired?

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

Hey, no offense, but your name should be;  Run Pass Jump Ball Interception.

touche

[Zeus]

it was answered a long time ago but seems like it resurfaces every year. I agree with gruden- there's no telling how good flacco actually could be because of the lack of weapons and lack of continuity at the OC position. It's not easy man and he's still hangin in there and Doing a heck of a job all the while not complaining or making excuses one bit. He deserves more credit than he gets and he doesn't deserve this much criticism. Sure he could be doing better but it's so blatantly obvious that he is pressing to make plays and forcing things because he has no choice. If he didn't drives would just constantly stall out and he would take sack after sack because nobody is getting open. Then when they finally do get open the protection doesn't hold up and he's got a defender square in his face.

100% correct, thank you.

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

This comment proves you can't be taken seriously.  The only starting QB's that have a lower passer rating than Jump Ball  Joe are 6-0 Peyton Manning, 6-0 Cam Newton, 3-3 Nick Foles, 3-4 Andrew Luck and 3-4 Sam Bradford.  Although they are not playing well, I guess they do enough to not LOSE the game.  The RECORD says it all.  And guys like Bortles, Winston, Tannehill, etc., who are far outplaying Jump ball Joe, name all the weapons they have to throw to!

Funny how this McJacket dude claims to watch all these games can't even tell you the QBs names... Flacco fan boys sit down... your boy is as much of the problem as the injuries, defense, line, and poor coaching decisions. You have nothing to back up your argument except downplaying the importance of all the statistical data that backs up that he is just plain below average Joe.

Edited October 28, 2015 by Run Pass Pass Punt

[January J]

Fan myth? Man I love you guys. Find me one time a TEAMMATE has stood up for Flacco's leadership. I can tell you Suggs, Lewis, and Reed have all been quoted on saying he needs to stand up and lead or "cuss somebody out". I guess their opinions don't matter either. It's pretty easy to understand QBR - it just puts more weight on scoring plays, 1st down completions, and other stats that lead directly to winning games. I watch Redzone every week so I can say I get a decent idea of how other QBs are playing. If you try to tell me you watch all the other games each week I'm calling a preemptive BS on that now. I see you strategically left out the INT point... So if you don't look at all those things... you know stats, wins, turnovers, leadership... Tell me why you DO think he's a top 10 QB when ALL signs point to the contrary...

there have been several instances where his teammates have taken up for his leadership. But carry on.

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

there have been several instances where his teammates have taken up for his leadership. But carry on.

There have been several instances where his teammates have called his leadership into question. But carry on. Guess that happens with all great Qbs tho... Even Bisciotti came out and said "Joe is the leader now like it or not" read into those words and tell me what you deduce... Matter of fact, can you give me a few examples?  ...There's plenty you can find to support my claim. BTW the simple fact that they need to "take up" for his lack of leadership speaks volumes in itself. "I guess we didn't play well enough to win" - classic Joe.

Edited October 28, 2015 by Run Pass Pass Punt

[RavenManiac#7]

Joe should not be blamed for that play. Under Heavy pressure he threw to his 6' 6" TE who was about 8 inches taller than his defender, in single coverage, and gave Gilmore a chance to make a play. A more experienced TE would probably have run a better route, gotten behind the defender, and caught the pass. It's real easy for all of us sitting at home watching the game to say he should have thrown it out of the end zone so that we would have had one more chance, but we didn't have a blitz going on and a rusher in our face. We'd have hailed him as a hero if Gilmore had caught that ball. With more experience, Gilmore Will make catches on passes like that.

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

Tyrod, whoever is starting for the Steelers, McCown, Peyton Manning, Alex Smith, whoever is starting for the Cowboys, Kirk Cousins, Sam Bradford, Nick Foles, Kaepernick, Winston, Cutler, Bridgewater, Stafford, Mariota, whoever is starting for Houston.

 

Frankly, you can throw Brees, Luck, Tannehill and possibly a few others in there, because they've been highly unimpressive all season long.

 

Again, watch the games. The QB play mostly league-wide has been abysmal all season long, and Joe Flacco is far, far, far from the worst.

How do you figure he's playing better than Taylor was when his comp %, wins, QBR, and TD/INT are way better than Joe's? He's been hurt for 2 games and still has the same amount of TDs... and half the INTs and triple the wins. I'll give you the backups, Bridgewater, Foles, Luck, Winston, Kaepernick (even though he outplayed Joe and beat us)... and that's it. Numbers don't lie... your devotion does.

Edited October 28, 2015 by Run Pass Pass Punt

[Ravens_Flock]

It was a bad throw. End of story. We've seen Flacco do it every game since the Patriots game last post-season, and we've seen him do it his entire career beyond that. It's just that he's gotten worse since 2013.

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

Joe should not be blamed for that play. Under Heavy pressure he threw to his 6' 6" TE who was about 8 inches taller than his defender, in single coverage, and gave Gilmore a chance to make a play. A more experienced TE would probably have run a better route, gotten behind the defender, and caught the pass. It's real easy for all of us sitting at home watching the game to say he should have thrown it out of the end zone so that we would have had one more chance, but we didn't have a blitz going on and a rusher in our face. We'd have hailed him as a hero if Gilmore had caught that ball. With more experience, Gilmore Will make catches on passes like that.

And these are the types of comments that make no sense. So let's blame Gilmore for not getting behind the coverage of a safety playing over the top of him... seriously? Do you not realize that when Joe is at the line and there are 6 rushers lined up in his face it is his responsibility to change the pass pro to pick that up? Of course you'll have pressure when you don't account for a free blitzer... look at Gilmore's route - the ball is clearly 1. behind him and 2. over his head where Mathieu had help waiting... that's what happens when you throw off your back foot. That's not an opinion just watch the video, OMG. He was inside/underneath the safety so throw it low and give him a chance to box him out like a forward posting someone up so he can use his size/height to his advantage. Can we really not expect our QB to think throw the ball away and give us a chance to fight another play instead of forcing it into double coverage? Are we really to that point where the absolute basic can't be expected?

Edited October 28, 2015 by Run Pass Pass Punt

[Militant X 1]

“I thought [GIllmore] might get on top of the guy and it just worked out a little different, so [Jefferson] ended up with better position,” Flacco said. “I thought he was a big guy on a little guy and I’d give him a chance.”  Gillmore said he didn’t change his route after seeing Jefferson back away, but added that he could have run it better. 

 

Jefferson also affected Gillmore’s ability to high-point the pass by giving the tight end a clear push in the back as the ball was in the air. The referees did not throw a flag, however.  “It’s just part of the game,”

 

Gillmore said. “Everybody’s fighting for the ball. In that situation, you’re not going to get a call. Like I said, I’ve got to go up and make that play.”

 

^ Yes you do Gillmore!

[Purple Dawg 96]

Let Matt start he will win and get more WRs involved! If my Ohio State Buckeyes can win a National title with a freshman QB the Ravens can win with Matt! Or just keep passing the blame! Joe is hitting Defensive player's wide open though! He is 5 for 5 I think I lost count! Smh

[coreyadams]

I say give Matt the nod after week 8. Why no change it up some. Our offense and defense is just plain boring to watch at times. To man flat spots on this tire.

[RavensDieHard21]

Optimistically speaking, It has been agonizing to watch a talented unit fail to close out 6 games, but at least they have all been somewhat entertaining. Next year we need to build on this talent with high draft picks and a better cap situation with the hopes of becoming a legit contender. We simply lost too many pieces from last year and injuries lack of execution penalties have plagued this season. I pray to the football Gods that Sizzle comes back healthy, SSS decides to give it one more try, and we draft mean aggressive Ravens! I just want a top 10 pick to go to a game changing pass rusher to compliment Sizzle and Doom and a solid press corner for depth. We need to re-establish the Ravens way

[rmcjacket23]

I say give Matt the nod after week 8. Why no change it up some. Our offense and defense is just plain boring to watch at times. To man flat spots on this tire.

Accomplishes nothing.

[rmcjacket23]

How do you figure he's playing better than Taylor was when his comp %, wins, QBR, and TD/INT are way better than Joe's? He's been hurt for 2 games and still has the same amount of TDs... and half the INTs and triple the wins. I'll give you the backups, Bridgewater, Foles, Luck, Winston, Kaepernick (even though he outplayed Joe and beat us)... and that's it. Numbers don't lie... your devotion does.

Pretty simple actually... look at the players he's playing with. You're going to the boxscore and taking statistics that are based on numerous factors and applying them solely to an individual, which is why when people evaluate QBs these days, they don't do such a thing.

 

I get the love for QBR as an ESPN groupie, but seriously, nobody recognizes that as a stat. Its QB rating, which nobody liked or understood, converted to a number between 0 and 100... thats it. Every other sports site on the planet mocks ESPN on a daily basis for coming up with another meaningless statistic that nobody knows how to calculate. Its a made for TV stat.

 

What makes you think QBs these days are judged by on completion percentage or even TD/INT ratio? If I considered TD/INT ratio to be a heavily weighted stat, then I'd think Andrew Luck has been a mediocre QB for years, but anybody that actually watches games can tell differently. If I considered completion percentage to be a heavily weighted stat, than RGIII is one of the best QBs I've ever seen.

 

If I actually watched other QBs play, nobody would be impressed by most of anything QBs are doing these days. As I said earlier, there's 6-7 guys playing at a high level, and then there's everybody else in a group who are sometimes good, sometimes bad, and are largely dependent on players around them to even win a game at this point. Flacco falls in that group. If the personnel around them is better (Tyrod), then they win more games. If its not, like a Stafford, then they aren't winning many games.

 

Numbers lie all the time. They lie when they have no context, they lie when you mix a bunch of numbers together to form a different number that nobody understands (hello QBR), and they lie when flaws of other plays lead to a statistical change in an individual player.

[ravenwildman]

This one is simple, Cards watched film, blitz Flacco and ball will get lobbed to Gilmore in center of end zone, hence why two defenders were with Gilmore. GO RAVENS!

[mrpitts]

This isnt our year guys (well be fine) but come on guys.

To the guys saying flacco should had dratted the throw (aiken and his defender were underneath the route).

I've watched the play a couple times. Gilmore clearly got bumped (should had been PI)

without the bump, flacco throws a good catchable ball. Theres no way flacco can predict an illegal bump lol (story of the season)

Our team isnt bad but the Ravens have never been an elite team (in the sense we never blowout poor teams). We have lost every game because of penalties. The league is high on peanalties.

[Crusader]

Joe went to the well once to often.

[Derrel]

Other tight ends make that play 8 out of 10 times. Guess he'll get it but Joe keeps throwing interceptions to finish games. NE, Denver....etc. Not acceptable.

[JayRaven82]

Pretty simple actually... look at the players he's playing with. You're going to the boxscore and taking statistics that are based on numerous factors and applying them solely to an individual, which is why when people evaluate QBs these days, they don't do such a thing.

I get the love for QBR as an ESPN groupie, but seriously, nobody recognizes that as a stat. Its QB rating, which nobody liked or understood, converted to a number between 0 and 100... thats it. Every other sports site on the planet mocks ESPN on a daily basis for coming up with another meaningless statistic that nobody knows how to calculate. Its a made for TV stat.

What makes you think QBs these days are judged by on completion percentage or even TD/INT ratio? If I considered TD/INT ratio to be a heavily weighted stat, then I'd think Andrew Luck has been a mediocre QB for years, but anybody that actually watches games can tell differently. If I considered completion percentage to be a heavily weighted stat, than RGIII is one of the best QBs I've ever seen.

If I actually watched other QBs play, nobody would be impressed by most of anything QBs are doing these days. As I said earlier, there's 6-7 guys playing at a high level, and then there's everybody else in a group who are sometimes good, sometimes bad, and are largely dependent on players around them to even win a game at this point. Flacco falls in that group. If the personnel around them is better (Tyrod), then they win more games. If its not, like a Stafford, then they aren't winning many games.

Numbers lie all the time. They lie when they have no context, they lie when you mix a bunch of numbers together to form a different number that nobody understands (hello QBR), and they lie when flaws of other plays lead to a statistical change in an individual player.

Numbers Lie? Tyrod and the bills have been playing with injuries as well. Sammy Watkins has been hurt and so has Shady. Im not saying Tyrod is better than Flacco, but Tyrod is better than Flacco this year. I watch both of them play. I don't just watch the Ravens, I watch football. Joe has regressed. He throws a lot off his back foot for some reason, and throws a lot of floaters that Anquan use to make up for. He also throws the deep ball to short, which we have seen this year. The only thing that made up for that was Torrey's ability to draw the PI on a lot of those underthrown balls. Joe doesn't have that now.

[JayRaven82]

Tyrod and the bills have been playing with injuries as well. Sammy Watkins has been hurt and so has Shady. Im not saying Tyrod is better than Flacco, but Tyrod is better than Flacco this year. I watch both of them play. I don't just watch the Ravens, I watch football. Joe has regressed. He throws a lot off his back foot for some reason, and throws a lot of floaters that Anquan use to make up for. He also throws the deep ball to short, which we have seen this year. The only thing that made up for that was Torrey's ability to draw the PI on a lot of those underthrown balls. Joe doesn't have that now.