Is John Harbaugh on the Hot Seat?

[RavensFanOfLA]

Most spoiled fans of a franchise i've seen in a while, only his second year missing the playoffs and all of sudden he is in the hot seat lmao

[Inqui]

The only hot seat Harbs is gonna be on is when he is borrowing Biscottis vacation home in the Bahamas ( ? ) this winter.

Or maybe when he meets with the FO brass in Florida for the end-of-season review (that's something I'd give a lot of money to sit in on, but I digress).

[Willbacker]

The only hot seat Harbs is gonna be on is when he is borrowing Biscottis vacation home in the Bahamas ( ? ) this winter.

 

That's cuz he only accidently sat on the grill.

[K-Dog]

That's cuz he only accidently sat on the grill.

Or a metal chair sitting in the sun.

[JO_75]

Most spoiled fans of a franchise i've seen in a while, only his second year missing the playoffs and all of sudden he is in the hot seat lmao

 

 

Some of you are truly delusional.  Harbs is nowhere near being on the hot seat.  This is will be his FIRST losing season and only 2nd w/out making the playoffs.  Some are you are way beyond spoiled!!!

 

I know right! Never had a losing season until 2015, and he was hired in 2008! In the NFL, that's like a 100 years without having a losing season if your a NFL Head Coach. Look at how many coaching changes have been made since that same time span. Only 7 teams have had only 1 Head Coach since 2008, the other 25 teams have had 2 or more head coaches in that time span. The Raiders lead the league with 6 Head Coaches during that time span, Browns and Bills have had the second most at 5.

 

Head Coaches since 2008:

 

AFC East

Patriots - 1

Bills - 5

Jets - 3

Dolphins - 4

 

AFC North: 

Bengals - 1

Steelers - 1

Ravens - 1

Browns - 5

 

AFC South

Colts - 2(Soon to be 3 when Pagano is fired)

Texans - 2 (Could be 3 if O'Brien gets fired)

Jaguars - 3

Titans - 4 (Will be 5 when they hire a permanent HC in 2016)

 

 

AFC West

Broncos - 4

Raiders - 6

Chargers - 2

Chiefs - 4

 

NFC East

Giants - 1

Eagles - 2

Redskins - 3

Cowboys - 2

 

NFC North

Vikings - 3

Packers - 1

Bears - 3

Lions - 3(will be 4 come 2016)

 

NFC South

Panthers - 2

Falcons - 2

Bucs - 4

Saints - 1

 

NFC West

Cardinals - 2

Seahawks - 2

Rams - 3

49ers - 4

[bravensfan52]

Only our OC DC and secondary coaches are on the hot seat

[FlackAttack]

The ravens just do not have alpha male players or playmakers. Like it or not the ravens and jags are evenly matched except the jags have an edge in quality playmakers.

 

^^^^^^^

 

if flacco had hurns and robinson we would be 7-2

[Gordo52]

Yes that will solve all our problems!

[edthehead]

     Yes we are spoiled and should be,, as a season ticket holder our franchise told us we will never accept being average, being mediocre was never our intention nor will  we accept that,, for years when we had a great defense and an average offense OZ always made moves to keep us relevant, that was yesterday,, Today we have the talent but it is not being utilized,,  Noway Flacco should have thrown to Aiken that much,, our TE will be the tops in the league in the next yr or 2...use them

     As a head coach he should see things go talk with your QB,,, talk with your DC and OC,,, you do not have to have till half time. tell pees get your butt out the booth and down here on the field,, I have always said every body wants to be responsible (that was my fault,that lose was on the defense,, our offense needs to be productive) so many excuses,, what about accountability what about consequences ,, I assure you if there was consequences many problems would in fact disappear,vanish.

     When ask is Harb on the hot seat, the answer should be YES,,, this is his team he shuffled many players out the door , then you have the so called dog house, he wanted a new england type of team , but he is not an X/O type of coach,,, and the fact that we are loosing by so little points just proves the point ,,"he does not know how to win", the only way harb should survive is if he has strong COORDINATORS,,,

     this is way to long,,,, lol,,,  

[edthehead]

" good teams find a way to win bad teams find a way to loose" this has been going on for years,, you all just complain about bad games but go back to all his previous years the games are there win or loose they are there ,, 

     he should have been on the hot seat first year out,,,

[fistfullwales]

You won't find a better leader than Harbaugh, hope he stays forever.

[757RavensFan]

     Yes we are spoiled and should be,, as a season ticket holder our franchise told us we will never accept being average, being mediocre was never our intention nor will  we accept that,, for years when we had a great defense and an average offense OZ always made moves to keep us relevant, that was yesterday,, Today we have the talent but it is not being utilized,,  Noway Flacco should have thrown to Aiken that much,, our TE will be the tops in the league in the next yr or 2...use them

     As a head coach he should see things go talk with your QB,,, talk with your DC and OC,,, you do not have to have till half time. tell pees get your butt out the booth and down here on the field,, I have always said every body wants to be responsible (that was my fault,that lose was on the defense,, our offense needs to be productive) so many excuses,, what about accountability what about consequences ,, I assure you if there was consequences many problems would in fact disappear,vanish.

     When ask is Harb on the hot seat, the answer should be YES,,, this is his team he shuffled many players out the door , then you have the so called dog house, he wanted a new england type of team , but he is not an X/O type of coach,,, and the fact that we are loosing by so little points just proves the point ,,"he does not know how to win", the only way harb should survive is if he has strong COORDINATORS,,,

     this is way to long,,,, lol,,,  

 

Well as a "season ticket holder", you should be pleased at what Harbaugh has done during his tenure here. To date, not a single losing season and we could still finish 8-8 and you think he should be in the "hot seat".  Sorry but that's just asinine.   As far as the part I hi-lighted, do you honestly think he's not doing this?  Come on, he's used to winning! I'm sure he's turning over every stone trying to find out why they're finding all of these horrible ways to lose.  What really bothers me about posts like this is, fans honestly think that losing has a bigger impact on them than the coaches, staff, and players whose jobs are on the line.  

[ratedr]

It's not Harbaugh's fault that this team has no talent.

 

If the Ravens were stupid enough to fire him he'd be on the open market for all of 5 minutes. Thankfully we are not the 49ers.

[usmccharles]

Well as a "season ticket holder", you should be pleased at what Harbaugh has done during his tenure here. To date, not a single losing season and we could still finish 8-8 and you think he should be in the "hot seat".  Sorry but that's just asinine.   As far as the part I hi-lighted, do you honestly think he's not doing this?  Come on, he's used to winning! I'm sure he's turning over every stone trying to find out why they're finding all of these horrible ways to lose.  What really bothers me about posts like this is, fans honestly think that losing has a bigger impact on them than the coaches, staff, and players whose jobs are on the line.  

asi-ten....asi-eleven.

 

Thats how i feel about these posts as well.  Meanwhile no one ever mentions what new HC we are bringing that is going to suddenly make our WRs get seperation, fix our injuries, etc...

 

One losing season in 8 years...the sky is falling....

[rmcjacket23]

I do love the whole "lets blame the HC for the team committing penalties" logic.

 

Its almost as if fans think that coaches go out there and tell their players to grab players by the face mask when they are tackling them, or to shove a guy in the back on a ST play when the whistle blew a minute earlier.

[atomicfront]

I do love the whole "lets blame the HC for the team committing penalties" logic.

 

Its almost as if fans think that coaches go out there and tell their players to grab players by the face mask when they are tackling them, or to shove a guy in the back on a ST play when the whistle blew a minute earlier.

 

That isn't the issue with the losing the game.  And those who don't think Harbaugh will get fired with a 2-14 record are kidding themselves.  After the 8-8 season Biscotti basically said the guys were going to have to improve or they were out of there.  After a season like 2-14 someone is getting fired.  I would say the team needs at least 5 wins if Harbaugh wants to keep his job.  

[Purple_City39]

asi-ten....asi-eleven.

 

Thats how i feel about these posts as well.  Meanwhile no one ever mentions what new HC we are bringing that is going to suddenly make our WRs get seperation, fix our injuries, etc...

 

One losing season in 8 years...the sky is falling....

Pretty much every single time.  People can never name a better replacement, just want to fire someone.  After all those "fire Mattison" posts (even though his defense stayed in the top 10) we got one season of Pagano and now it's "fire Pees" with no word on who to replace him.  I bet they'd take Mattison back now.  And if Harbaugh were to actually be fired I'm pretty sure the next HC would be worse without question

[rmcjacket23]

That isn't the issue with the losing the game.  And those who don't think Harbaugh will get fired with a 2-14 record are kidding themselves.  After the 8-8 season Biscotti basically said the guys were going to have to improve or they were out of there.  After a season like 2-14 someone is getting fired.  I would say the team needs at least 5 wins if Harbaugh wants to keep his job.  

1. They did improve. See 2014. 

 

2. Somebody will get fired... it just won't be John. 

 

3. The biggest elephant in the room, and not surprisingly its something that precisely zero fans ever care about or think about, is the fact that a better coach just simply isn't hanging off a tree ready to get picked.

 

In all likelihood, a new coach would just be some coordinator who had a couple good seasons with another team. So basically, he'd be another John Harbaugh, except without the track record of actually being a good coach.

[ratedr]

Pretty much every single time.  People can never name a better replacement, just want to fire someone.  After all those "fire Mattison" posts (even though his defense stayed in the top 10) we got one season of Pagano and now it's "fire Pees" with no word on who to replace him.  I bet they'd take Mattison back now.  And if Harbaugh were to actually be fired I'm pretty sure the next HC would be worse without question

Definitely not in the fire Harbaugh crowd but this is definitely not true. LOL.

[Perfekt]

 

 

Harbs is not the problem.

[atomicfront]

Pretty much every single time.  People can never name a better replacement, just want to fire someone.  After all those "fire Mattison" posts (even though his defense stayed in the top 10) we got one season of Pagano and now it's "fire Pees" with no word on who to replace him.  I bet they'd take Mattison back now.  And if Harbaugh were to actually be fired I'm pretty sure the next HC would be worse without question

 

Pees has actually had more success than Harbaugh.  DC of the 16-0 season with the Patriots.  

[balfan23]

I do love the whole "lets blame the HC for the team committing penalties" logic.

 

Its almost as if fans think that coaches go out there and tell their players to grab players by the face mask when they are tackling them, or to shove a guy in the back on a ST play when the whistle blew a minute earlier.

The way most HCs deal with undisciplined play is to place the offending player in the proverbial dog house. The repeat offense after such a player has been let out of the dog house is that they are looking for another team to hurt with their penalties. 

 

Doom's penalty ... just chalk that up to the kind of weirdness that this season is bringing with it. I don't think he's a chronic case of undisciplined play. 

 

Asa ... quite honestly, I'm sick of the guys act. If he's in the return game, he's giving you hope, then killing you with a fumble. Now, he's giving you hope with a blocked punt and killing you with stupid after the whistle personal fouls. 

 

If I were HC (which I realize I'm not but ...) - I'd cut him today. How else do you send the message that you're mad as hell and you are not going to put up with it anymore? 

[rmcjacket23]

The way most HCs deal with undisciplined play is to place the offending player in the proverbial dog house. The repeat offense after such a player has been let out of the dog house is that they are looking for another team to hurt with their penalties. 

 

Doom's penalty ... just chalk that up to the kind of weirdness that this season is bringing with it. I don't think he's a chronic case of undisciplined play. 

 

Asa ... quite honestly, I'm sick of the guys act. If he's in the return game, he's giving you hope, then killing you with a fumble. Now, he's giving you hope with a blocked punt and killing you with stupid after the whistle personal fouls. 

 

If I were HC (which I realize I'm not but ...) - I'd cut him today. How else do you send the message that you're mad as hell and you are not going to put up with it anymore? 

I agree... benching players who commit such penalties is the correct solution. Cutting might be a bit excessive, though a guy like Asa who his just another guy might be just fine.

 

The problem is that some of these penalties are being committed by some of our better players. As such, how do you really bench them? You can, and it will send a message, but the on-field play will arguably suffer more from benching.

 

Imagine if we bench Dumervil. Does anybody think the team is better off by doing so?

 

I'm not necessarily knocking Dumervil either, because he wouldn't crack my top 5 reasons for why we lost that game yesterday, but I believe last season he did literally line up offsides like 3-4 times in a single game. He has at least a small track record of some pretty stupid penalties.

[757RavensFan]

Pees has actually had more success than Harbaugh.  DC of the 16-0 season with the Patriots.  

 

And what did that get the Patriots??  Im sure Pees would have preferred a Superbowl victory that year instead of going 16-0 during the regular season. 

[rmcjacket23]

And what did that get the Patriots??  Im sure Pees would have preferred a Superbowl victory that year instead of going 16-0 during the regular season. 

Well, it got him to a SB, which is pretty impressive. That's kind of a tough thing to do.

 

Losing in a SB is a very, very, very, very, very solid accomplishment. Why? Well, because its very, very, very, very, very hard to even get there.

 

This is like people saying that going 4-0 in SBs is better than going like 4-2. Of course its not. 

[edthehead]

Well as a "season ticket holder", you should be pleased at what Harbaugh has done during his tenure here. To date, not a single losing season and we could still finish 8-8 and you think he should be in the "hot seat".  Sorry but that's just asinine.   As far as the part I hi-lighted, do you honestly think he's not doing this?  Come on, he's used to winning! I'm sure he's turning over every stone trying to find out why they're finding all of these horrible ways to lose.  What really bothers me about posts like this is, fans honestly think that losing has a bigger impact on them than the coaches, staff, and players whose jobs are on the line.  

win, loose and draw a game played well or bad,,coaches and QB,, get all the credit and blame,, and yes i am happy for no loosing seasons,, but it sounds like you are truly settling for mediocrity,, we have had winning seasons ,, just saying it should have been more.look at what HARB inherited and the core players,, now lets look at games,,last year we left maybe 2/3 games on the table out of just simple coaching,, jj watt went berserk on us,,  the infamous 8-8 year,, da bears,bills packers ,, we should have won,, but they get a pass cause it was our first year without RAY RAY,,, 

     I am not putting down what you are saying,, all i am saying is right up the road in philly coach chip has completely dismantled that team,he knows what he wants and that is what he will put players in position ,,,if it does not work what will his new home be (not in philly) what about josh in denver how did that work out,,

     when a coach wants his mark well it opens the door for criticism,, again not putting your words down just look a little deeper.  

[Purple_City39]

And what did that get the Patriots??  Im sure Pees would have preferred a Superbowl victory that year instead of going 16-0 during the regular season. 

That's not his fault though.  His defense held a team in the superbowl to 17 points.  Problem his the opposing defense only allowed 14

[ratedr]

That Pats team made the SB because they were the #1 offense in NFL history (to that point). Not because of Pees.

[rmcjacket23]

That Pats team made the SB because they were the #1 offense in NFL history (to that point). Not because of Pees.

Right, they were an average defense.

 

When you have a great offense, that's all you need to win SBs in this league. 

[balfan23]

I agree... benching players who commit such penalties is the correct solution. Cutting might be a bit excessive, though a guy like Asa who his just another guy might be just fine.

 

The problem is that some of these penalties are being committed by some of our better players. As such, how do you really bench them? You can, and it will send a message, but the on-field play will arguably suffer more from benching.

 

Imagine if we bench Dumervil. Does anybody think the team is better off by doing so?

 

I'm not necessarily knocking Dumervil either, because he wouldn't crack my top 5 reasons for why we lost that game yesterday, but I believe last season he did literally line up offsides like 3-4 times in a single game. He has at least a small track record of some pretty stupid penalties.

I think Will Hill falls into this category - a player who is one of our better players, who consistently hurts us with penalties. I think at some point, you do have to sacrifice (within reason) on-field play to send a message. It becomes easier when you're in the situation we're in now, when the on field play is bad anyhow and losses don't have quite the same impact they do when you actually have a shot and getting somewhere.

 

Its a tough situation. But after a while, you can't just get up on a podium week after week and say we have to cut the crap. At some point, players need to do more than say they are responsible, they need to be held accountable by the team.