Is John Harbaugh on the Hot Seat?

[Kid87]

Nope.

[stampedehero]

Strong and accurate assessment.  I completely agree. 

Well Said.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Maybe with 2-3 more seasons with losing records, but no he's not on the hotseat.

Although Harbaugh does make mistakes here and there whether it's clock management in one loss, or wasting timeouts to bad challenges in another loss...you can't blame him for this year's disastrous start.

Given the laundry list of injuries we've had to deal with, and the clear and present lack of SOMETHING out there whether it's talent or personnel in general, the 2015 Ravens lack a lot of things, but a solid head coach with a winning mentality is not one of those missing elements.

Now as I said another year or 2 like 2015 and you'd think Steve, Dick and Ozzie might think its time to go a different direction...personally I consider this year a fluke of a year and see us doing everything we possibly can this off season to tighten up and reinforce our team on all phases and be ready for 2016.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Might as well close this thread.

All these injuries have definitely let Harbs off the hook, if he was ever even on it.

[BmoreSports09]

Nope, but Pees and Trestman are. Harbs, Brooks, Castillo seems like the only coaches who's jobs are safe as of right now

Trestman? Is that a joke? We're like 9th in the NFL in points scored with 0 credible NFL receivers... Hot seat? I'd rather give him a freakin raise. Edited November 2, 2015 by BmoreSports09

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Trestman? Is that a joke? We're like 9th in the NFL in points scored with 0 credible NFL receivers... Hot seat? I'd rather give him a freakin raise.

 

I agree wholeheartedly. John's job is safe, given all the injuries. We should keep Trestman and Pees. They both deserve commendations with the personnel they have had to work with, especially Pees' keystone cops secondary. The Owner should take a serious look at the FO right now. Oz should have gone out on top after the Super Bowl run. If I were the owner, I wouldn't hire the son of the GM as my Director of Player Personnel either. That makes no sense as in nada! BTW, another game ball should have been handed out to Ray Lewis for his inspirational Pre-game speech and sideline exhortation of the team and fans.  

[thieverycorporation]

I agree wholeheartedly. John's job is safe, given all the injuries. We should keep Trestman and Pees. They both deserve commendations with the personnel they have had to work with, especially Pees' keystone cops secondary. The Owner should take a serious look at the FO right now. Oz should have gone out on top after the Super Bowl run. If I were the owner, I wouldn't hire the son of the GM as my Director of Player Personnel either. That makes no sense as in nada! BTW, another game ball should have been handed out to Ray Lewis for his inspirational Pre-game speech and sideline exhortation of the team and fans.  

Count me as one whom agrees. Picking thru the garbage bin lately Ozzeeee. Get outta that trashcan………

If you noticed his trades pan out better then a few of his draft picks.

I'd also add that beyond the 5th round basically equates to undrafted's or filler/fodder.

Receiver's are long gone. You may find a kicker, snapper, punter or maybe even a redshirted cfb player coming off a serious injury/character issue. But not primetime potential. Exceptions are not the rule.

Edited November 2, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[gabes]

just another point on Harbaugh, bad choice to go help brother promote Michigan vs local program.  He pretends to be pro-area, but this is inconsistent with that line.

[usmccharles]

just another point on Harbaugh, bad choice to go help brother promote Michigan vs local program.  He pretends to be pro-area, but this is inconsistent with that line.

What are you talking about?

[codizzle]

just another point on Harbaugh, bad choice to go help brother promote Michigan vs local program. He pretends to be pro-area, but this is inconsistent with that line.

Yea took a ton of time out of his schedule to go stand on the Michigan sideline on an off day for the Ravens

[1/28/01]

Nope

[JEEPercreepermd]

No way Harbaugh is on the "Hot Seat"

3 AFC Championships

1 Super Bowl

7 Playoff appearances..with at least 1 win each time

0 losing seasons so far.

Realistically, it would take this team missing the playoffs a few years in a row for Biscotti to fire Harbaugh.

[Inqui]

No way Harbaugh is on the "Hot Seat"

3 AFC Championships

1 Super Bowl

7 Playoff appearances..with at least 1 win each time

0 losing seasons so far.

Realistically, it would take this team missing the playoffs a few years in a row for Biscotti to fire Harbaugh.

Might even take more than that considering the patience Mike Tomlin and Tom Coughlin have been given.

Maybe Harbaugh needs to change his name to Harlin.

Edited November 5, 2015 by Inqui

[Nightman]

Maybe its time to get a new GM and let Ozzie retire, perhaps promote DeCosta?

[ellicottraven]

I don't think Steve Bisciotti operates that way at all. He is not a knee jerk reaction kind of owner. The only time Harbaugh will be on the hot seat is if there are signs he doesn't have the team's attention or respect or that he is abysmal as a coach. None of those 3 situations exist in Baltimore. So, in my opinion he is safe regardless of record. If for example those 3 situations were true, then no matter his record, he would be on the hot seat with Bisciotti. 

 

I believe Bisciotti is the most pragmatic owner in the NFL with regard to his style of operations and pragmatism.

[757RavensFan]

This post is really pretty sad!  I would love for someone to tell me who they would want to coach this Ravens team besides Harbaugh? I'll wait!

[AsianRice]

I don't think Steve Bisciotti operates that way at all. He is not a knee jerk reaction kind of owner. The only time Harbaugh will be on the hot seat is if there are signs he doesn't have the team's attention or respect or that he is abysmal as a coach. None of those 3 situations exist in Baltimore. So, in my opinion he is safe regardless of record. If for example those 3 situations were true, then no matter his record, he would be on the hot seat with Bisciotti. 

 

I believe Bisciotti is the most pragmatic owner in the NFL with regard to his style of operations and pragmatism.

I wish him to have a long life.....immortal owner per say...lol

[Tru11]

this thread still alive lol

[PurpleCity5]

He's def. not on the hot-seat, but he's got to make some changes within the coaching staff. I don't think this team is as bad as our record says. I really believe we're a couple of players and rejuvenation's away from contending again. However, Harbaugh or someone else must grab hold of the leadership, this team lacks energy and fire and that comes from a lack of leadership. Someone said they were at the Raiders game and saw this personally, I could see this on my couch, granted I'm not on the sidelines but this defense has to play with some heart. 

[JO_75]

Funny how the media works. Scrolling through my Twitter Feed and something comes up saying Harbaugh is considering other jobs lol. I clicked the article and these were the reasons....

-We are in a losing year

- There is a "disconnect" between him and the FO. Saw Jim leaving the 49ers and what happened there, the total control he can have in College.

- They claimed Harbaugh's reps have contacted teams that currently have head coaches but will likely have openings. This from "two well placed sources".

- Those same sources claim that Harbaugh and those closes to him day he needs a fresh start.

LOL at all of that. Rumor and Rants? More like put obvious things together and make up a rumor. There's your laugh for the day.

Edited November 6, 2015 by JO_75

[polynesian15]

I do not think they we playing unmotivated football last night.  I saw effort all night.  We simply lack the quality players that other teams have.  Everytime we complete a pass it is contended with no separation, while our opponents receivers seem to have aat least 5 yards of buffer on each reception.  Jimmy Smith is not good - perhaps his foot is just not better yet.  Webby is done - stick a fork in him.  I think Harbs does a fantastic job and this year he is trying to use subpar NFL players against a very difficult schedule.  We have been on the wrong end of some very bad officiating at key times in games as well.  Just a tough year and a TON of work to do in the off-season.

 

Harbs it totally safe.

It's really sad with Jimmy, he looked so good last year before the injury. Hopefully he can bounce back, otherwise the FO has paid yet another (misguided) huge deal to a CB coming off injury.

[atomicfront]

Harbaugh needs to be fired.  He isn't an offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator. So he isn't helping design plays to help the team win.

 

I gave him the benefit of the doubt before but he cleared house after the Super Bowl because of his ego.  But when you lose to teams like the Jaguars at home when clearly the Ravens are the better team there is time for the coach to be replaced.  You can say it isn't his fault.  But whatever the team can't win games.  Every game we are in but lose.  

 

Today was pathetic.  You have to make a change. Either Harbaugh goes or Ozzie goes.  Easier to replace the coach.  

[Winchester]

Harbaugh needs to be fired. He isn't an offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator. So he isn't helping design plays to help the team win.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt before but he cleared house after the Super Bowl because of his ego. But when you lose to teams like the Jaguars at home when clearly the Ravens are the better team there is time for the coach to be replaced. You can say it isn't his fault. But whatever the team can't win games. Every game we are in but lose.

Today was pathetic. You have to make a change. Either Harbaugh goes or Ozzie goes. Easier to replace the coach.

The ravens just do not have alpha male players or playmakers. Like it or not the ravens and jags are evenly matched except the jags have an edge in quality playmakers. Fire all the coaches you want. The problem is the talent. If anybody thinks there is a coach out there that does not need talent to win then go hire him and see what happens!! I said it years ago, oz does not have the supporting cast that taught him the bpa system. He is letting players get old or retire before even condidering replacements. then scrambling to replace them resulting in bust after bust. He is giving big money to old,injured, and overrated players and has a bad team in salary cap hell. He pays injured and erratic players like he has zero confidence in his drafting.

I been reading this for several yrs. And there are about 10 members here that could outdraft ozzie whom is getting paid. Grim,Purplecity,climatic and tru11 to name a couple I would feel better about running the ravens drafts before Ozzie and they are fans.

Edited November 15, 2015 by Winchester

[arnie_uk]

I think he will be looked at very closely, with the manner we are losing, you could say we are undisciplined and he has lost the team.

But ultimately I think he gets another go with High draft picks.

[443hurricane]

He is not on the hot seat at all.

 

Jim Tomsula is on the hot seat

Sean Payton is on the hot seat

Chuck Pagano is on the hot seat

 

 

John Harbaugh is a tier below the guy in New England in terms of job security. He wins us won more bowl in the next three years and I guarantee he gets a life time deal.

[757RavensFan]

Some of you are truly delusional.  Harbs is nowhere near being on the hot seat.  This is will be his FIRST losing season and only 2nd w/out making the playoffs.  Some are you are way beyond spoiled!!!

[StingerNLG]

Some of you are truly delusional.  Harbs is nowhere near being on the hot seat.  This is will be his FIRST losing season and only 2nd w/out making the playoffs.  Some are you are way beyond spoiled!!!

 

And that's not even there yet.  

 

This is such an overreaction.  And if Steve Bisciotti is even thinking about the prospect of putting Harbaugh on the hot seat after one bad year considering everything that has happened to the team, I will be surprised and angry.  

[waybeyond]

Talent and undisciplined played are major issues with this team, but I think a lot of this could be improved with better practices in the off season. I don't think this team ever really practices. THey are always hot and cold, mostly cold, and that is signs of a team not gelling because the practices are pathetic. Flacco should be getting his receivers together in the offseason. A friend of mine once said that when Flacco plays he is not fluid enough, and that is obvious with his hot and cold ways. THe entire offense always seems out of synch. At the end of lost games, reporters question if there are other options, and Flacco always seems to draw a blank. Two weeks ago when Urschel stepped in as the center and had several bad snaps, Flacco was asked if he ever practice snaps with him, Flacco's answer was he didn't. I believe this team is very lazy, and Harbaugh has no control over them whatsoever. True, a lot of the talent is bad, and you can blame Ozzie for that, but lack of talent can be improved with practice. Look at New England for instance. Besides Gronk, Brady does it with unknowns and does well. He does so because he practices with his receivers in the off season. Flacco needs to start doing this to prove that he wants to be better and wants to win. If not, well if he doesn't restructure, he should be let go. He is not an elite QB, and he shouldn't be paid like one, but his contract is not the only one that needs to be changed. Webb, J SMith, also need to restructure because they are not worth the money they are paid, and neither is Dumervil. A lot of money comes off the books this year, but I think this team should find more money anyway they can. THey are going to have to go the free agent route if they want to be better next year, and that takes lots of cash.

Edited November 16, 2015 by waybeyond

[K-Dog]

The only hot seat Harbs is gonna be on is when he is borrowing Biscottis vacation home in the Bahamas ( ? ) this winter.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

The ravens just do not have alpha male players or playmakers. Like it or not the ravens and jags are evenly matched except the jags have an edge in quality playmakers. Fire all the coaches you want. The problem is the talent. If anybody thinks there is a coach out there that does not need talent to win then go hire him and see what happens!! I said it years ago, oz does not have the supporting cast that taught him the bpa system. He is letting players get old or retire before even condidering replacements. then scrambling to replace them resulting in bust after bust. He is giving big money to old,injured, and overrated players and has a bad team in salary cap hell. He pays injured and erratic players like he has zero confidence in his drafting.

I been reading this for several yrs. And there are about 10 members here that could outdraft ozzie whom is getting paid. Grim,Purplecity,climatic and tru11 to name a couple I would feel better about running the ravens drafts before Ozzie and they are fans.

 

I agree with your conclusion about the talent wholeheartedly. I disagree with your conclusion about the Head Coach's impact on the team's discipline. I would agree that its past time for Ozzie to step down. As for other coaches who could do the job, there are several. For starters, how 'bout the interim HC of the Dolphins who is 3-2?