Is John Harbaugh on the Hot Seat?

[kennethyamini1989]

Considering he isn't willing to change coaches, and he has lead the Ravens to their worst start in Franchise history, is he on the hot seat? Brian was 1 year removed from leading the Ravens to a 13-3 season, yet he was fired after that bad season in 07. Is that looking like John's future? 

[sflegend89]

Nope, but Pees and Trestman are. Harbs, Brooks, Castillo seems like the only coaches who's jobs are safe as of right now

[Waywatcher]

Given the heart I saw the team playing with tonight in a hostile environment with the entire world betting against them, it would be asinine to sacrifice Harbaugh on the altar of this season. Too many other elements combining into the "perfect storm of suck," bad luck notwithstanding!

 

It's become a truism at this point, but we've still lost (and won) all our games by a single score. That's pretty insane.

[Gordo52]

Ridiculous.

[Tru11]

doubt it.

 

would really surprise me.

 

would not even surprise me if both oc and dc stay.

 

especially trestman seems safe unless harbaugh do gets fired.

[thieverycorporation]

I don't think so. At this point I'd say no. But the issues John's having with clock management and team fitness should be up for discussion. Injuries may not be preventable but player's with repetitive injuries being bought back year 3 falls on Ozzie and crew. Pitta, Campanro, Webb, Smith, all had significant injuries that should have suggested to the F/O they'ed need veteran quality receivers and DB's.

[ravefan52]

No.

[52liveforever]

Harbs is safe and Trestman is safe so long as the offense stays ranked in to upper half in the league. Pees probably gets fired after the season. Being one of the worst teams in the passing game two years in a row in a passing league they have to make some big changes back there.

 

Fire Pees

Fire Hewitt

Fire Weiss

Cut what DB's we can without hurting the cap too badly

 

clear as much space to allow us to be aggressive going after quality secondary additions.

[HailFlacco5]

It's seriously time to fire Pees

[kennethyamini1989]

Is it not a top down approach? I mean what happens if Harbs simply isn't willing to fire Pees? 

[FlackAttack]

only person that will be fired, if there is any firings, is pees. unless we have a crazy late season run with a strong defensive effort, which we all know WILL NOT happen lol.

 

trestman is safe. lots of people dont realize it because the defense is so atrocious, but the offense has been ranked 9th best for the past few weeks. i think we bumped down a few after tonights game, but regardless our O isnt that bad we just need better WR's. hes doing a decent job for what he has.

 

 

 

only way harbaugh gets fired is if they continue to lose the next 2 seasons at least. it took 3 losing seasons until bisciotii canned billick after the 2000 super bowl. and harbaugh has a much better track record. it would be foolish to let him go after one failed season.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Fire Hewitt.   

[ratedr]

The defensive coaching staff is on the hot seat. I think the guys on offense are safe.

[PurpleDoc]

Always wondered why the Ravens' problems were never corrected week to week, even year to year.

 

Now I know why.

 

At halftime, during Cardinals game, just prior to start of 2nd half; announcers shifted down to sideline female announcer asking for Harbaugh's comments.  She stated that, "aside from the turnover", Harbaugh thought that the defense and offense playing well.  Really??

 

You have the worst record in franchise hx; on goal to finish worst than inaugural year at 4-12

Continued sloppy play

Continued ridicuous amount of penalties

Continued missed tackles

Incompetant WR other than SSS

Worthless defense

 

I bet team is told in locker room how great they performed.  Now I know why Ravens never play with any fire or passion.  After all, they're doing great!  Coach says so! 

[Ravenseconbeast]

....bc coaches in NFL always tell the announcer exactly what is on their mind @gameday.

[Purple_City39]

At half time it was 14-10 against a team practically everyone, including many Ravens fans, thought would blow Baltimore out.  A game where the Ravens traveled back to the west coast after being there last week.  After a first half that featured the refs trying to hand the game to Arizona with bad call (ineligible receiver) after bad call (fumble) after bad call (Webb's PI).  Yes, the fact that it was 14-10 means the team was playing well.

 

With all that said, what do you expect??  Is he supposed to publicly trash his team on national television as some sort of motivation?  When has that worked for any coach?

[PurpleDoc]

At half time it was 14-10 against a team practically everyone, including many Ravens fans, thought would blow Baltimore out.  A game where the Ravens traveled back to the west coast after being there last week.  After a first half that featured the refs trying to hand the game to Arizona with bad call (ineligible receiver) after bad call (fumble) after bad call (Webb's PI).  Yes, the fact that it was 14-10 means the team was playing well.

 

With all that said, what do you expect??  Is he supposed to publicly trash his team on national television as some sort of motivation?  When has that worked for any coach?

No, certainly not trash the team publicly.  Doesn't matter the "close" score at halftime, it was another loss by an unmotivated team that plays poorly.  THe announcers statements confirm what I suspected...no improvements made, no passion on this team, no need to improve...cause they're playing great!!! 

[Bobby]

I do not think they we playing unmotivated football last night.  I saw effort all night.  We simply lack the quality players that other teams have.  Everytime we complete a pass it is contended with no separation, while our opponents receivers seem to have aat least 5 yards of buffer on each reception.  Jimmy Smith is not good - perhaps his foot is just not better yet.  Webby is done - stick a fork in him.  I think Harbs does a fantastic job and this year he is trying to use subpar NFL players against a very difficult schedule.  We have been on the wrong end of some very bad officiating at key times in games as well.  Just a tough year and a TON of work to do in the off-season.

 

Harbs it totally safe.

[757RavensFan]

The defensive coaching staff is on the hot seat. I think the guys on offense are safe.

 

Brooks is safe. He's done wonders on the D line considering the turnover every year. 

[PurpleCity5]

Brooks is safe. He's done wonders on the D line considering the turnover every year.

No way Brooks leaves! I don't think he was refering to him in any manner.

[Willsinger]

As bad as their record is, they aren't that bad of a team. They have been in every game, but don't have the killer instinct. The loss of Suggs really hurt!

 

They have heart, but lack the talent. Heart will only get you about 3-4 wins. I don't think he is on the hot seat, considering he hasn't lost the locker room. 

[RavensFanMania]

Nope, but Pees and Trestman are. Harbs, Brooks, Castillo seems like the only coaches who's jobs are safe as of right now

Considering the hand that Trestman has been dealt, I doubt he goes anywhere.  Besides we are in the top 3rd in offensive production AND we will most likely give Flacco a 2nd year with the same coordinator.   Harbaugh isn't going anywhere.  

[ratedr]

No way Brooks leaves! I don't think he was refering to him in any manner.

"She," and correct. Brooks was obviously not included.

[January J]

Always wondered why the Ravens' problems were never corrected week to week, even year to year.

Now I know why.

At halftime, during Cardinals game, just prior to start of 2nd half; announcers shifted down to sideline female announcer asking for Harbaugh's comments. She stated that, "aside from the turnover", Harbaugh thought that the defense and offense playing well. Really??

You have the worst record in franchise hx; on goal to finish worst than inaugural year at 4-12

Continued sloppy play

Continued ridicuous amount of penalties

Continued missed tackles

Incompetant WR other than SSS

Worthless defense

I bet team is told in locker room how great they performed. Now I know why Ravens never play with any fire or passion. After all, they're doing great! Coach says so!

if we hadn't had fumbled on special teams we could've potentially went into the locker room with a 17-7 lead and getting the ball in the second half. Considering the team we were playing - I don't think that was bad at all, I thought the offense and defense both were doing a fairly good job. That turnover absolutely ruined us- and the tacked on penalty. That's on special teams.

Harbs is fine. This just obviously isn't our year. We can't catch a break for nothin.

Edited October 27, 2015 by January J

[The Mom Gene]

We did play well last night.... 

People are really starting to over react.

[asteroid]

Harbaugh has to go. I'm convinced the NFL executives blame Harbaugh for inflating Deflate Gate. You can see with the calls. Ross was down before he fumbled. Johnson was down, his forward progress was stopped. That was not pass interference on Fitz by Web. Maybe we can get a good draft and bring Harbaugh back next season but will the NFL execs forgive him in that time?

[The Mom Gene]

NO, and he shouldn't be on the Hot Seat...  As someone else said....  When the ESPN analysts are stating obvious things that we fail to look at?????  And yet the fan's expectations are so high...  I shake my head at some of the stuff.

[The Mom Gene]

Harbaugh has to go. I'm convinced the NFL executives blame Harbaugh for inflating Deflate Gate. You can see with the calls. Ross was down before he fumbled. Johnson was down, his forward progress was stopped. That was not pass interference on Fitz by Web. Maybe we can get a good draft and bring Harbaugh back next season but will the NFL execs forgive him in that time?

 

And you're blaming deflategate for this????  Holy Cow.

[OptimisticRaven]

They have been calls by fans for the jobs of DC, OC, and/or the HC. I want to bring a different perspective to this:

 

Ravens had many changes in coaching in the past few years. When Kubiak left - he took other coaches with them as well as players. When Pagano left - same thing. What we lack is consistency in coaching (outside of John Harbaugh) in a multi-year view. Of course when your team is successful its hard to keep those coaches but I think for now we should do exactly the opposite of what is being asked - keep our coaches. Keep the consistency. Dean Pees has the right packages but the athletes just aren't executing - not hitting the gaps. Trestman is doing the best he can with the limited amount of firepower he's been given. With limited OTAs and brand new athletes being signed of FA - of course it is going to be hard to properly incorporate them into the game.

 

And another point: This will take a minimum of 2 years to fix. We have bright spots in Buck Allen, Crocket Gillmore, Williams. We can build on that. I still think Perriman can be a productive WR. We shouldn't write him off. This injury might actually be a good thing for him - he has the chance to learn from the sidelines.  With our upcoming drafts (if Ozzie does it right) we have a chance to pick more bonafide playmakers. If we can get more playmakers from the draft (and there' no reason to suggest we won't when we've been given a high draft pick) and develop our existing promising young players we will be alright. But - this takes patience and faith in the Ravens system.

[balfan23]

Considering he isn't willing to change coaches, and he has lead the Ravens to their worst start in Franchise history, is he on the hot seat? Brian was 1 year removed from leading the Ravens to a 13-3 season, yet he was fired after that bad season in 07. Is that looking like John's future? 

Billick had overseen a much more uneven year-to-year performance with the team before he was let go. After his Super Bowl team, the Ravens won 1 playoff game in the 7 year period that followed.

 

The stretch that Harbaugh had going will buy him a pass for 1 (really) bad season. I think Bisciotti has a lot of faith in John and isn't going to pull the plug that quickly. 

 

if this thing doesn't get turned around next year, he'll go into 2017 on the hot seat - especially if there is the sense that he's losing his players. At present, this is not a real topic of conversation.