Seen Enough Of Marlon Brown

[757RavensFan]

I've supported and defended Marlon since last year and I can no longer do it.  I truly thought he had it in him to take his game to another level.  Man I was wrong.  

[rmcjacket23]

This amuses me greatly, because I remember the offseason of 2014 and how many fans on here were saying that Brown would easily score north of 10 TDs in 2014 and was due for a breakout season.

[MTRavensFan]

This amuses me greatly, because I remember the offseason of 2014 and how many fans on here were saying that Brown would easily score north of 10 TDs in 2014 and was due for a breakout season.

why does that amuse you?

It was actually a pretty reasonable, if optimistic projection.

 

NOTHING about this situation is amusing, particularly watching some of our young players fail to live up to expectations.

[Ravens2343]

I've supported and defended Marlon since last year and I can no longer do it.  I truly thought he had it in him to take his game to another level.  Man I was wrong.  

 

I agree, I really thought he would turn into a solid #3 receiver for us.  I don't know what is different about him since 2013 but he just doesn't look the same.  I think Flacco has lost all trust in him and it is time to move on and let Jeremy Butler take his spot.  Brown is a RFA this offseason and he may be one of the few RFA's we never have tendered.

[rmcjacket23]

why does that amuse you?

It was actually a pretty reasonable, if optimistic projection.

 

NOTHING about this situation is amusing, particularly watching some of our young players fail to live up to expectations.

Because anybody that had actually watched the games could have seen this coming. How exactly is this knowledge that these WRs just aren't very good a serious revelation to anybody?

 

The guy caught 7 TDs on less than 50 catches, which is an unsustainable ratio for the elite of the elite WRs in this league... and that was on a team that couldn't and didn't try to run the ball. People think they can project TD catches based on what they saw before, yet its one of the most erratic statistics in pro football and is largely unpredictable.

 

This isn't one of those cases where an unexpected injury occurred that derailed the team, or when a previously high quality player all of the sudden fell off a cliff. This is the case of a guy who never showed special skills at the position to begin with became what we all should have thought he would be, which is a JAG.

 

If people had more OPTIMISTIC (perhaps unreasonable) expectations, that's not Marlon Brown or the Ravens problem.

Edited October 27, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[757RavensFan]

I agree, I really thought he would turn into a solid #3 receiver for us.  I don't know what is different about him since 2013 but he just doesn't look the same.  I think Flacco has lost all trust in him and it is time to move on and let Jeremy Butler take his spot.  Brown is a RFA this offseason and he may be one of the few RFA's we never have tendered.

 

 

I don't think he's lost all trust in him, Flacco threw to him at least 4 times last night. 

[edthehead]

Unfortunately his cap hit is prohibitive, he's not going anywhere.

Dude is soft as a pillow.

 

 

I have seen enough of both guys TBH.  Monroe is going to be hard to move but the Ravens should evaluate their situation with him this offseason.  Monroe plays well when he is healthy, but he has not be healthy the past 2 seasons.  I think we should move on from him and try and find a cheaper replacement either in F/A or the draft.  Marlon Brown should be cut during the bye week, he offers nothing to this team and only takes reps from guys that should get more of them like Waller, Butler, Givens and Ross.  Time for both guys to pack their bags, unfortunately it will be harder to move on from Monroe

agree with both of you,,, eugene wanted a pay day and now he is looking forward to life after,,,I was a huge fan of marlon but he is really bad and should not be on this team,, thanks

[PurpleHobbitCankles]

Who is Marlon Brown?....has he been on the field this season?....I've occasionally seen some guy with long hair flash by in the background of a #89 catch replay which could be him.....that guy is invisible out there....can't go wrong replacing him

[Ravens2343]

I don't think he's lost all trust in him, Flacco threw to him at least 4 times last night. 

 

Flacco just throws to whoever is out there and open, but I cannot believe he has any real faith or trust in Brown to make a play.  The bigger problem is why Trestman continually trots Brown out there in 3-wide sets.  Givens should be taking the #2 spot and bump Kamar down to #3 IMO

[Tru11]

why does that amuse you?

It was actually a pretty reasonable, if optimistic projection.

 

NOTHING about this situation is amusing, particularly watching some of our young players fail to live up to expectations.

 

are we talking about fans expectations or teams expectations?

 

reading some of the expectations fans are setting can be quite amusing TBH.

especially when they end up on some rant because their expectations have not been meet lol.

Edited October 27, 2015 by Tru11

[Waywatcher]

Who is Marlon Brown?....has he been on the field this season?....I've occasionally seen some guy with long hair flash by in the background of a #89 catch replay which could be him.....that guy is invisible out there....can't go wrong replacing him

I get what you're saying here, but Marlon also seems to have at least one very visible drop every game. It's gotten to the point where I'd almost prefer the streak of hair in the distance than the inevitable alligator-armed whiff and loss of down.

[Tru11]

Flacco just throws to whoever is out there and open, but I cannot believe he has any real faith or trust in Brown to make a play.  The bigger problem is why Trestman continually trots Brown out there in 3-wide sets.  Givens should be taking the #2 spot and bump Kamar down to #3 IMO

 

and you base this on what?

 

have you considered givens might be pretty limited in what he can do and he might not be good at doing the things aiken and brown are doing?

 

to simplify things.

givens is a speed receiver while aiken is more of a possession type of receiver.

 

both guys are good at running different routes.

 

there is really no point in having them do things that dont fit their strengths, also aiken is a better run blocker which is why he plays more snaps.

[1/28/01]

He cant even spin the ball right...nor should he be trying.

[Ravens2343]

and you base this on what?

 

have you considered givens might be pretty limited in what he can do and he might not be good at doing the things aiken and brown are doing?

 

to simplify things.

givens is a speed receiver while aiken is more of a possession type of receiver.

 

both guys are good at running different routes.

 

there is really no point in having them do things that dont fit their strengths, also aiken is a better run blocker which is why he plays more snaps.

 

I base it on the fact that Brown and Aiken have not made plays when given the chances.  Brown is absolutely a non factor this year and should be benched to give way to guys like Givens, Ross and Butler.  Aiken has made a few plays this year so I wont be as harsh on him, but he had 1 catch last night for 6 yards! How many times this season has he finished games with only a catch or two and hardly any yards.  He is suppose to be our #2 guy, so why not give Givens a shot or Butler?  Givens may be more of a deep threat, but while in St Louis he showed he can run more routes then just deep go routes. 

 

At 1-6 there is really no reason to continually trot the same guys out there and expect different results.  Trying new things and putting guys in different spots is what this season should be all about. 

[January J]

Been saying this for weeks. He's had ample enough time to prove himself and he's failed to do so. Had yet another drop that killed one of our drives, could have costed 7 and a chance to win with a feild goal at the end. Now you could say this about several plays- but this has become a reoccurring theme with him.

[balfan23]

For whatever reason, it just seems like he and Joe have no idea how to work together. I don't see any improvement from week to week. I've no idea at this point why he's getting the number of snaps he's getting. Perhaps it is because we have no other options that are worth exploring? 

 

No matter how you slice it, our WR grouping - even with SSS - is one of the worst in the NFL and I don't know how you fix that in one offseason. 

[MTRavensFan]

are we talking about fans expectations or teams expectations?

 

reading some of the expectations fans are setting can be quite amusing TBH.

especially when they end up on some rant because their expectations have not been meet lol.

I get what you're saying, it just irritates me to no end that people find amusement in our young players failing.

 

Obviously the team saw enough of him to keep him on the 53. Maybe hoping for a breakout year was a little too much, but reasonable expectations were that he'd at least be productive.

 

I'm sure Marlon's not TRYING to suck, he's just really struggling this year, and finding amusement in his failure just hurts all of us - the team, the fans, and Marlon himself. Taking pleasure in that is just too much like laughing at the kid being bullied on the schoolyard. Not a good look for us.

[The Mom Gene]

We need to get Givens out there more.......

[Tru11]

I base it on the fact that Brown and Aiken have not made plays when given the chances.  Brown is absolutely a non factor this year and should be benched to give way to guys like Givens, Ross and Butler.  Aiken has made a few plays this year so I wont be as harsh on him, but he had 1 catch last night for 6 yards! How many times this season has he finished games with only a catch or two and hardly any yards.  He is suppose to be our #2 guy, so why not give Givens a shot or Butler?  Givens may be more of a deep threat, but while in St Louis he showed he can run more routes then just deep go routes. 

 

At 1-6 there is really no reason to continually trot the same guys out there and expect different results.  Trying new things and putting guys in different spots is what this season should be all about. 

 

coaches dont make decisions on plays made only.

 

players actually have to fit what they are trying to do or its useless.

 

neither givens or ross fit what brown or aiken are doing.

 

neither marlon or aiken are running routes to stretch the field so there is really no point in giving givens or ross that role.

 

what you are suggesting is the same thing cam did wrong.

he was sending boldin and mason deep instead of letting them do what they do best.

 

you play to your players strength not their weakness.

[rmcjacket23]

I get what you're saying, it just irritates me to no end that people find amusement in our young players failing.

 

Obviously the team saw enough of him to keep him on the 53. Maybe hoping for a breakout year was a little too much, but reasonable expectations were that he'd at least be productive.

 

I'm sure Marlon's not TRYING to suck, he's just really struggling this year, and finding amusement in his failure just hurts all of us - the team, the fans, and Marlon himself. Taking pleasure in that is just too much like laughing at the kid being bullied on the schoolyard. Not a good look for us.

The amusement doesn't come from watching them fail, because at the end of the day, my expectations were low for them to begin with.

 

The amusement is in the unbelievably unrealistic optimism and the basis for how people form their opinions and then look so unbelievably wrong in such a short period of time. That's where the amusement comes in.

 

As far as what is or isn't a "good look for us"... how would daily posts on the team website regarding cutting players and firing coaches rank on the list of "good looks" for the fanbase? Tens of thousands of people will literally smile and maybe cheer upon the termination of contracts of several members of this organization.

 

Kind of hard to say that's a "good look" for this fanbase either...

[Ravens2343]

coaches dont make decisions on plays made only.

 

players actually have to fit what they are trying to do or its useless.

 

neither givens or ross fit what brown or aiken are doing.

 

neither marlon or aiken are running routes to stretch the field so there is really no point in giving givens or ross that role.

 

what you are suggesting is the same thing cam did wrong.

he was sending boldin and mason deep instead of letting them do what they do best.

 

you play to your players strength not their weakness.

 

I understand what you are saying.  I don't agree with it though because we have seen enough game film to know Brown and Aiken are not difference makers.  Brown and Aiken are not getting open, did you see Givens burn Mathieu last night?  I don't care if Aiken or Brown can run block, because we had 55 yards total as a team and at 1-6 what we are currently doing is not working that well. Brown and Aiken cannot stretch the field, they cannot separate from defenders and they rarely ever draw a double team.

 

Not to be harsh to the players, but what strengths do Brown and Aiken have? 

Edited October 27, 2015 by Ravens2343

[Tru11]

I get what you're saying, it just irritates me to no end that people find amusement in our young players failing.

 

Obviously the team saw enough of him to keep him on the 53. Maybe hoping for a breakout year was a little too much, but reasonable expectations were that he'd at least be productive.

 

I'm sure Marlon's not TRYING to suck, he's just really struggling this year, and finding amusement in his failure just hurts all of us - the team, the fans, and Marlon himself. Taking pleasure in that is just too much like laughing at the kid being bullied on the schoolyard. Not a good look for us.

 

i dont think anyone find the players failing amusing.

 

i think people find the expectations fans have for players amusing.

 

Marlon Brown was a UDFA for a reason.

even before his injury he was not really a 1st round round talent yet people do expect him to play like 1.

 

people see his size and think he is the next AJ green or calvin johnson.

 

its no different then people seeing waller size and 40 time and think he is a bigger and better version of torrey smith.

[ratedr]

Was never on the Marlon train. 

 

By substituting one UDFA for another we're basically making lateral moves. But might as well try it. I want to see Givens/Ross and in the future Butler more time. I'm not big on Aiken either but he shows up every now and then. Marlon has shown absolutely nothing.

[Deflated Football]

We need to get Givens out there more.......

Agreed. Givens looks like he gets seperation and he actually catches the ball. If Flacco hadn't under thrown him last night, Givens would've had an easy TD after burning Honey Badger. I would start Givens at this point opposite Senior so we can take some more deep shots and keep the defense honest. Marlon and Kamar need to go after this season.

[MTRavensFan]

The amusement doesn't come from watching them fail, because at the end of the day, my expectations were low for them to begin with.

 

The amusement is in the unbelievably unrealistic optimism and the basis for how people form their opinions and then look so unbelievably wrong in such a short period of time. That's where the amusement comes in.

 

As far as what is or isn't a "good look for us"... how would daily posts on the team website regarding cutting players and firing coaches rank on the list of "good looks" for the fanbase? Tens of thousands of people will literally smile and maybe cheer upon the termination of contracts of several members of this organization.

 

Kind of hard to say that's a "good look" for this fanbase either...

I agree with you there.

This whole burn the house down and fire everybody nonsense is out of control.

The fact is we have taken every lost game down to the very last play with a chance to win. To say this team has lost its' fight is ridiculous.

[ratedr]

Agreed. Givens looks like he gets seperation and he actually catches the ball. If Flacco hadn't under thrown him last night, Givens would've had an easy TD after burning Honey Badger. I would start Givens at this point opposite Senior so we can take some more deep shots and keep the defense honest. Marlon and Kamar need to go after this season.

Yep, I want to see Givens at #2. Aiken and Brown have already shown they're not capable, but for whatever reason the coaches are afraid to change.

[Deflated Football]

Yep, I want to see Givens at #2. Aiken and Brown have already shown they're not capable, but for whatever reason the coaches are afraid to change.

I feel the same way, but it's hard to tell which coach it is. I support Harbaugh but I feel like he's too conservative to make a change. I wonder how much he intervenes with his coordinators and tells them to do this or that.

[ratedr]

I feel the same way, but it's hard to tell which coach it is. I support Harbaugh but I feel like he's too conservative to make a change. I wonder how much he intervenes with his coordinators and tells them to do this or that.

I've been thinking this as well. The issues with the offense going into the shell have happened EVERY YEAR regardless of the coordinator. I remember 2010 especially, when the offense would be high-flying in the first half and get a big lead, only to completely turn it off in the second half. Starting to think that it's Harbaugh who likes it that way.

Edited October 27, 2015 by ratedr

[Tru11]

I understand what you are saying.  I don't agree with it though because we have seen enough game film to know Brown and Aiken are not difference makers.  Brown and Aiken are not getting open, did you see Givens burn Mathieu last night?  I don't care if Aiken or Brown can run block, because we had 55 yards total as a team and at 1-6 what we are currently doing is not working that well. 

 

Not to be harsh to the players, but what strengths do Brown and Aiken have? 

 

i dont think you understand it at all.

 

just because givens got open deep on a route he specializes in against a safety who gave him a free release , does not mean he is going to get open open against the opponents top corners when they play press/close on routes that go over the middle or short that expect the WR to make a catch with a defender all over him.

its very different when they also have a safety over the top for help or a lb waiting in the middle to make a big hit.

 

there is a reason boldin is good in certain routes and torrey is good in other routes.

if you have both of them run the other guys routes neither is going to do good.

 

if givens and ross where really good at running every route they would have been on their previous team starting.

 

i dont see what the point is in trying something that already has been proven to not work.

their is alot of tape out there from both and i doubt  every team/coach they met so far where wrong from drawing the same conclusion.

Edited October 27, 2015 by Tru11

[rmcjacket23]

I agree with you there.

This whole burn the house down and fire everybody nonsense is out of control.

The fact is we have taken every lost game down to the very last play with a chance to win. To say this team has lost its' fight is ridiculous.

There are times where effort and fight looks like its non existent or at least not at the level it should be.

 

Standard tackling, which is a fundamental concept in football, is lacking. Tackling, for the most part, is about desire, technique and execution. Some people like to tackle and some people don't, and there are individual plays throughout every game I've seen where there are at least some players who look like they have no desire to tackle at all. They'll put a hit on without proper technique, and if the tackle isn't made its like "o well, somebody else will get him".

 

Not a consistent problem, but there are glimmers. The first TD run by CJ last night was purely about lack of heart and desire on the defense.