Are we now in agreement about LT?

[BmoreBird22]

Injuries are flukey. He only missed one game before being traded here. Monroe is an above average LT he's not gonna dominate every single week. Are his injuries a concern? yeah but it;s a waste to spend a top pick on a LT that we don't need. We need a better backup LT hurst is an ABOMINATION. Urschel will replace K.O Monroe is an asset we shouldn't replace a guy because of some flukey injuries he deserves one more season plus we have wayyyy bigger needs.

I'm down for taking a LT, but not with the first top 5 pick the franchise will have since forever ago.

[Xmadraven]

I'm down for taking a LT, but not with the first top 5 pick the franchise will have since forever ago.

This ^ adding one in the middle rounds makes sense

[GrimCoconut]

Lol it's not easy to find a LT in the top 5 let alone the middle of the draft. I'd take Stanley because it's factually proven that you can find WR, CB, and FS at various points in the draft. It's nearly impossible to find a quality LT outside the first round.

Edited October 27, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[BmoreBird22]

Lol it's not easy to find a LT in the top 5 let alone the middle of the draft. I'd take Stanley because it's factually proven that you can find WR, CB, and FS at various points in the draft. It's nearly impossible to find a quality LT outside the first round.

I'd honestly like to see a study that ranks how many quality starters there are in the age at each position based on where they were drafted.

Just off the top of my head, I can think of Bakhtiari, Peters, Whitworth, Beachum, Armstead, Penn, Cannon, Glenn, Bushrod, Donavan Smith, Stephenson, and Veldheer. Okay, I had to look up a few, but that's one third (actually more like 40%) of the league right there that are starters for a team, many of them playing at a pretty high level

[rmw10]

I'd absolutely take Stanley, but it's not due to Monroe. It's because I think Stanley will be an elite LT. Monroe certainly isn't living up to the contract, but I'd say that's more health related than performance related. He didn't have a good game last night, but he performed really well the past 2 and I think that's more the guy we have when he's healthy.

[GrimCoconut]

I'd honestly like to see a study that ranks how many quality starters there are in the age at each position based on where they were drafted.

Just off the top of my head, I can think of Bakhtiari, Peters, Whitworth, Beachum, Armstead, Penn, Cannon, Glenn, Bushrod, Donavan Smith, Stephenson, and Veldheer. Okay, I had to look up a few, but that's one third (actually more like 40%) of the league right there that are starters for a team, many of them playing at a pretty high level

Yeah. If I get some free time when school lets out in December I'll look into this more. I'm curious myself. I'll admit if I'm wrong, don't worry. Lol.

I'm actually with you in that I'd prefer to take a different position. I just think we can't rely anymore on Monroe.

There seems to be a pattern that everyone to whom we give a sizeable extension to lately ultimately gets hurt. It's a little absurd and I've never seen such luck. It's like we're cursed or the Ravens made a deal with the Devil to win the Super Bowl and now we're cursed lol

[PurpleCity5]

I wonder if we can shift Monroe to guard. I think Stanley will be an amazing LT. 

Edited October 27, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[izvoodoo]

It depends on who's on the board.  I'm not against it, but there's definitely other players I'd take over an LT.  Also it's genuinely difficult for fans to evaluate Oline since you're not going to get a ton of tape on them.

[rmw10]

It depends on who's on the board. I'm not against it, but there's definitely other players I'd take over an LT. Also it's genuinely difficult for fans to evaluate Oline since you're not going to get a ton of tape on them.

Not perfect obviously, but if you're looking for tape on OL, look for tape of the QB. Doesn't highlight the player but still gives a relatively good view.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

He was one of the healthiest players in the league before coming to Baltimore and managed to stay healthy through 2013. Not sure why he's been injured so much here, but he's not the only player

 

Time to look at the trainers and the strength/conditioning program? If we were only hit by injuries like this for this year, maybe just a fluke or coincidence, but for what seems like 3 straight years now?

[JoeyFlex5]

a franchise LT is often harder to find than a QB, you have an extremely low chance to find one outside of the top 10. a lot of you are sharing the sentiment that we shouldnt take one with our first high pick in years, but that just shows that you all can only appreciate the sexy picks like a pass rusher or db. 

 

also, saying we dont need a LT so we need to pass on stanley, is absolutely ridiculous, first of all, monroe does no good when hes sidelined, which has happened quite often, hurst does us no good on the field, and we have no other options, how can one possibly say we dont need a LT with our first high pick in forever? stop begging for "playmakers" and "splash" picks, and make no mistakes about it, aside from bosa and MAYBE nkemdiche, stanley will improve this team more than anyone else, and if we were to take stanley, then 3 years from now you all would be looking back and thinking "man, good thing we drafted him". when ozzie goes against the grain, avoids the extremely apparent needs and drafts a far superior player at a more low key future need, it usually ends up being praised down the road. we could reach on hargreaves in the top 5 and then find out that pees and our FS was truly the problem, and we are faced with watching hurst and monroe split the season and then we are forced to pay monroe to sit on the bench more because we have no other options... how many times does this exact kind of situation need to play itself out for some folks to realize how it works? 

[Stevin]

mostly I agree, we need LT for sure.  mb even in 1st round. the problem is the contract Monroe 

[allblackraven]

mostly I agree, we need LT for sure.  mb even in 1st round. the problem is the contract Monroe 

Not really.

 

We might be able to find a trade partner for him, I'm sure. Otherwise, straight cut would save $2.1M with $6.6M left in dead money but post June 1st cut makes $6.5M in cap savings and only leaving $2.2M in dead money.

[Inqui]

Not really.

We might be able to find a trade partner for him, I'm sure. Otherwise, straight cut would save $2.1M with $6.6M left in dead money but post June 1st cut makes $6.5M in cap savings and only leaving $2.2M in dead money.

Yeah, I imagine we'd have at least a full year (maybe two) to find a trade partner for Monroe. Might not even be out of the question to get a third for him, since the LT-needy teams usually have higher picks.

[GrimCoconut]

I see no reason to trade Monroe when we'll only save $2.1M. I'd rather keep him and put Stanley at LG temporarily

Edited October 27, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Static]

pretty tired of Hurst and Monroe but the defense  needs way more help.

[JoeyFlex5]

I see no reason to trade Monroe when we'll only save $2.1M. I'd rather keep him and put Stanley at LG temporarily

do you see stanley as guard material though? im not sure i do. he strikes me as a pure OT. now tunsil, thats a different story.

[Jamal]

Why is everyone only talking about Stanley? Laremy Tunsil is supposed to be the better prospect from what I hear.

[rmw10]

Why is everyone only talking about Stanley? Laremy Tunsil is supposed to be the better prospect from what I hear.

 

I'm not as impressed by Tunsil as I am Stanley, although I'll say that I think Tunsil also has a chance to be a very good player in the league.  I like Stanley a bit better as a run blocker and I think Stanley's technique is a little more consistent.  Both of them are in the upper echelon in pass blocking as far as I'm concerned.

[GrimCoconut]

do you see stanley as guard material though? im not sure i do. he strikes me as a pure OT. now tunsil, thats a different story.

Ogden.

That's all.

[GrimCoconut]

Why is everyone only talking about Stanley? Laremy Tunsil is supposed to be the better prospect from what I hear.

I've seen a lot of Notre Dame football but haven't watched much of Ole Miss this year outside focusing on Treadwell and Tunsil has only recently seen the field and I only go off what I see.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Ogden.

That's all.

Greg Robinson as well.

[JoeyFlex5]

Why is everyone only talking about Stanley? Laremy Tunsil is supposed to be the better prospect from what I hear.

because tunsil is a goofy footed mauler who doesnt appear to be on stanleys level in pass protection

Edited October 27, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[Inqui]

I see no reason to trade Monroe when we'll only save $2.1M. I'd rather keep him and put Stanley at LG temporarily

I don't think we'd be in a rush to trade Monroe at all, but I'd imagine we look to shop him at some point before Stanley hits 50 games so we can get a return out of him. I'd guess Stanley plays out his rookie year at LG or RT (and LT when Monroe inevitably goes down at some point), but from that point I think Monroe's on the block.

[Jamal]

I'm not as impressed by Tunsil as I am Stanley, although I'll say that I think Tunsil also has a chance to be a very good player in the league.  I like Stanley a bit better as a run blocker and I think Stanley's technique is a little more consistent.  Both of them are in the upper echelon in pass blocking as far as I'm concerned.

But he has only played 1 game so far, and looked amazing in that game.

[Inqui]

do you see stanley as guard material though? im not sure i do. he strikes me as a pure OT. now tunsil, thats a different story.

Yeah, I do have to wonder if his otherwordly footwork or reach would be wasted a bit at LG. That and I don't know if he has the upper body strength to take on an interior DLman in a phone booth. But I guess long-term it wouldn't hurt for him to know the calls and responsibilities of the guy who'll be playing one space over.

[JoeyFlex5]

Ogden.

That's all.

based on the eye test, id say stanley could use some more meat on his bones to play guard, but he also looks like he definitely has a ton of room to bulk up with pure muscle, hes got a much more minor variation of terrence cody arms right now. JO appeared beefier coming out. maybe its the old neckrolls and shoulderpads though idk, just a simple eye test, or maybe its just stanleys orangutan arms that reach forever just making him appear more slim..

[Inqui]

But he has only played 1 game so far, and looked amazing in that game.

Yeah, a couple of plays aside I was impressed by how he coped against Myles Garrett. I still see Stanley as the better prospect by some way though. Atm I'd put Stanley, Ndkimche and Bosa in the same tier where I'd be fairly disappointed if we passed on any of those three, but Tunsil would be in the next group, with Ramsey, VH3 and maybe even Boyd, where if we're picking in the top 10 he'd have a really strong case.

[rmw10]

But he has only played 1 game so far, and looked amazing in that game.

Going back to what I was able to see from last year as well.

I think whatever teams draft these 2 will be very happy. I just like Stanley more. There's still plenty of time for Tunsil to change my mind, though.

Edited October 27, 2015 by rmw10

[Cillmatic]

Stanley's a reay good player. I only have three real complaints; awareness, Strength and his issue with the spin move.