Are we now in agreement about LT?

[JoeyFlex5]

i keep hearing people saying that Monroe has played well this season... Are we watching the same guy? Monroe absolutely whiffs on the run game, and simply gets beaten in pass pro, he gets beaten in every way imaginable, beat off the snap, bull rushed, finessed, I mean he is showing complete incompetence, and so is KO who has played himself out of a 2nd deal. We don't just need a LT, we need a overhaul up front. If Ronnie Stanley is on the board, I don't think we can pick anyone over him, we honestly don't have much of a choice at this point. Monroe is garbage, and once his contract is off the books a few years from now we will become a better team.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm in agreement with the sentiment that if there's a potential franchise LT out there you take it.

 

However, with a guy like Bosa it makes things really tough. Monroe has been AVERAGE. But he's not nearly as bad as you make him out to be. His injuries piss people myself included off, but it's not major enough of a need to take the LT over Bosa..... If there's no Bosa. Then it's easy.

 

If the franchise LT is there you take him. Unless you have the potential game wrecker on defense. It's OG and replacing KO I'm truly worried about. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I believe in urschel to replace KO, and I don't think Monroe has been average, he has been average for the most part with the potential to have horrid games like tonight, those horrid games skew the meter to below average/bad. I think he is AT BEST below average, and that's when he actually suits up. The Monroe trade, in hindsight, wasn't great, we gave up 2 picks and a ton of long term cap space for him to get injured and play bad.

However I have similar sentiments on guys like bosa and nkemdiche, but I'm just not sure man, a franchise LT always will be the 2nd most valuable asset after a qb

[BmoreBird22]

You're being way too harsh on Monroe. He had a rough game against Calais Campbell (many tackles can say that), but he's been really solid when he's healthy... he's just not often healthy, even when he's playing. 

[allblackraven]

I'm in agreement with the sentiment that if there's a potential franchise LT out there you take it.

 

However, with a guy like Bosa it makes things really tough. Monroe has been AVERAGE. But he's not nearly as bad as you make him out to be. His injuries piss people myself included off, but it's not major enough of a need to take the LT over Bosa..... If there's no Bosa. Then it's easy.

 

If the franchise LT is there you take him. Unless you have the potential game wrecker on defense. It's OG and replacing KO I'm truly worried about. 

How about you change the title to "All aboard the Ronnie Stanley train"? I signed up last week.

 

I just hope we do have a shot at signing him.

[Maryland]

Lol, I was just getting on here to make a quip about drafting one of the LTs. 

 

As mentioned, Calias Campbell is one of the better DEs in this league. But as soon as Monroe got injured I just had to roll my eyes. Even if he was blocking out the sun vs Campbell, we would have to draft a LT because you just can't depend on him. 

[JoeyFlex5]

So your LT whom you are paying a pretty big figure, just gets a pass when he fails miserably, because he failed against a good DE? Matt birk was 1000 years old and all it took was for him to struggle against Vince wilfork one time for people to start clamoring for us to draft a center.

Guys who get starter money, need to put up SOME kind of fight against top competition, you can't just let a guy completely dominate your starting LT and say it's all good because it's Calais Campbell. That is by definition, complacency.

[GrimCoconut]

I think this is an ideal time to take a LT. I love Monroe but the injuries are old. He does us no good on the trainer's table.

[BmoreBird22]

So your LT whom you are paying a pretty big figure, just gets a pass when he fails miserably, because he failed against a good DE? Matt birk was 1000 years old and all it took was for him to struggle against Vince wilfork one time for people to start clamoring for us to draft a center.

Guys who get starter money, need to put up SOME kind of fight against top competition, you can't just let a guy completely dominate your starting LT and say it's all good because it's Calais Campbell. That is by definition, complacency.

So, what if JJ Watt wrecked Rick Wagner? Would we need to draft a RT just because Rick Wagner got beat by JJ Watt? 

 

Eugene Monroe was the lone bright spot in 2013 and was pretty decent the past few games that he was healthy for. Issue is, he just can't stay healthy. Honestly, I'd be a tad disappointed if they made Stanley the first pick over someone like Bosa because it's more an insurance policy against injury than anything else.

[JoeyFlex5]

So, what if JJ Watt wrecked Rick Wagner? Would we need to draft a RT just because Rick Wagner got beat by JJ Watt? 

 

Eugene Monroe was the lone bright spot in 2013 and was pretty decent the past few games that he was healthy for. Issue is, he just can't stay healthy. Honestly, I'd be a tad disappointed if they made Stanley the first pick over someone like Bosa because it's more an insurance policy against injury than anything else.

its not an insurance policy if he is the LT of the future.

And Rick Wagner was one of the best RTs in football last year, and if he is missing stretches of game time every season and getting annihilated every time he faces an upper echelon defender, then yes he is not up to snuff, but after seeing the same story from Monroe year in and year out, you can't justify his contract and it is clear he is not the answer for the future. The jury is still out on Wagner. You're not gonna win consistently if your LT whiffs consistently every time he faces a good DE

Being a bright spot on the OL in 2013 isn't saying much either...

[BmoreBird22]

its not an insurance policy if he is the LT of the future.

And Rick Wagner was one of the best RTs in football last year, and if he is missing stretches of game time every season and getting annihilated every time he faces an upper echelon defender, then yes he is not up to snuff, but after seeing the same story from Monroe year in and year out, you can't justify his contract and it is clear he is not the answer for the future. The jury is still out on Wagner. You're not gonna win consistently if your LT whiffs consistently every time he faces a good DE

Being a bright spot on the OL in 2013 isn't saying much either...

Monroe was considered a top 10 LT up through 2014. In 2014, he has a myriad of injuries and really doesn't play up to par. 

He was pretty good these past few games. He won't be perfect in every single game, but he left with an injury in this game, so it's fair to even guess that he was injured early and tried to fight through it. Clearly injuries have been a huge issue that are derailing him, but you'd be asinine to argue that he's historically been bad.

[Waywatcher]

I just can't trust Monroe anymore, and I'm not lining up under center putting my blindside in his hands.

Count me in on the "Stink for Stanley" bandwagon.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't feel like quoting you guys, but the problem with Monroe is health and not his play. I think he's been good. He's just not dependable. I understand that you wouldn't want a LT over a pass rusher because it's an insurance policy, but Monroe has been hurt so much it seems that it's less an insurance policy and more of a likelihood. That's the sad truth.

[lgcs27288]

I don't feel like quoting you guys, but the problem with Monroe is health and not his play. I think he's been good. He's just not dependable. I understand that you wouldn't want a LT over a pass rusher because it's an insurance policy, but Monroe has been hurt so much it seems that it's less an insurance policy and more of a likelihood. That's the sad truth.

The only thing I don't like about it is that we then have 2 LTs. Unless we trade Monroe for like a 5th.

If we were able to unload Monroe and his cap somehow, I'm on board. Until then, trade back a few spots and gimme some Ramsey and some first rounders.

Edited October 27, 2015 by lgcs27288

[Waywatcher]

The only thing I don't like about it is that we then have 2 LTs. Unless we trade Monroe for like a 5th.

If we were able to unload Monroe and his cap somehow, I'm on board. Until then, trade back a few spots and gimme some Ramsey and some first rounders.

 

Not necessarily. I can easily envision a scenario where (provided we're picking high enough) we draft Stanley to play LG for a year or two before dumping Monroe's contract and kicking him (Stanley) out to LT. I can't really see us picking up Osemele's contract, even if he's fast becoming quite affordable. I think, between his back and shoulder injuries, he's just not the same player we drafted.

Edited October 27, 2015 by Waywatcher

[Maryland]

The only thing I don't like about it is that we then have 2 LTs. Unless we trade Monroe for like a 5th.

If we were able to unload Monroe and his cap somehow, I'm on board. Until then, trade back a few spots and gimme some Ramsey and some first rounders.

What's wrong with having 2 LTs for a season? 

 

Giants have 2 LTs between Flowers and Beatty. And it's a good thing too, because Beatty is just like Monroe--always injured.

 

1996 Ravens had 2 LTs when they drafted Ogden. We need a LG for when KO leaves anyway. Could ease Tunsil or Stanley into LT better that way while also have insurance for when Monroe gets hurt. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Monroe was considered a top 10 LT up through 2014. In 2014, he has a myriad of injuries and really doesn't play up to par. 

He was pretty good these past few games. He won't be perfect in every single game, but he left with an injury in this game, so it's fair to even guess that he was injured early and tried to fight through it. Clearly injuries have been a huge issue that are derailing him, but you'd be asinine to argue that he's historically been bad.

nobody said he's historically been bad, but the history shows that he can't be trusted and is in no way a long term answer. What do you do when you don't have a trustworthy player at an integral position? You make a move for one...

[lgcs27288]

I just envision a top 2 type player stepping in immediately at their natural position. I guess I'm just thinking of overall value and production for a player that high.

I suppose it wouldn't be a bad idea for him at OG for a year.

[GrimCoconut]

Yep. Draft Stanley to play LG and slide him to LT when Monroe inevitably gets a boo boo. It sucks because I really like Monroe but Baltimore seems to be an injury magnet lately.

[allblackraven]

I just envision a top 2 type player stepping in immediately at their natural position. I guess I'm just thinking of overall value and production for a player that high.

I suppose it wouldn't be a bad idea for him at OG for a year.

Yep. Draft Stanley to play LG and slide him to LT when Monroe inevitably gets a boo boo. It sucks because I really like Monroe but Baltimore seems to be an injury magnet lately.

And I bet that under this scenario Stanley doesn't play LG for the full season, he gets to slide over in week 1 because Monroe is still nursing a hammy from 3 snaps he played in 2nd preseason game.

 

Seriously though, he was good last year but not up to that standard in 2015. I don't know whether it's injuries and he's not playing at 100% healthy but he's just been OK or worse this year.

[RaineV1]

There are players I'd prefer over Stanley, ones that have the killer instinct the team seems to be missing. But if Nkimdiche, Bosa, and Ramsey are gone, I'd be okay with the pick.

[808Blackbirds]

I believe in urschel to replace KO, and I don't think Monroe has been average, he has been average for the most part with the potential to have horrid games like tonight, those horrid games skew the meter to below average/bad. I think he is AT BEST below average, and that's when he actually suits up. The Monroe trade, in hindsight, wasn't great, we gave up 2 picks and a ton of long term cap space for him to get injured and play bad.

However I have similar sentiments on guys like bosa and nkemdiche, but I'm just not sure man, a franchise LT always will be the 2nd most valuable asset after a qb

Move Urschel to center and keep Osemele. i still like KO a lot.

[Maryland]

Move Urschel to center and keep Osemele. i still like KO a lot.

Well pending the details on KO's knee injury, he may come to be quite affordable. 

 

I hope for his sake and the sake of a nice comp. pick that he is healthy, however. 

[Inqui]

Why did you guys have to wait for the evening I'm out of town to talk about this? I feel left out.

My sig is all about Ramsey, and I'd be doing cartwheels if we got him, but if we have a top-three pick I'm officially switching my vote to Stanley. His footwork and hands make me feel physically giddy when I watch him play, and I'd be thrilled if we took him and he'd be a dream fit in our ZBS system.

Atm I kinda have him in a "pick one" tier with Bosa and Ndimkeche where I wouldn't gripe about getting either of the three, but gun to my head I'd probably be leaning towards the franchise LT for the rest of Joes career, as well as for the first few years of his successor (gods be good).

[BmoreBird22]

nobody said he's historically been bad, but the history shows that he can't be trusted and is in no way a long term answer. What do you do when you don't have a trustworthy player at an integral position? You make a move for one...

He was one of the healthiest players in the league before coming to Baltimore and managed to stay healthy through 2013. Not sure why he's been injured so much here, but he's not the only player

[Bruce_Almty]

Are we now in agreement that our first 3 draft picks need to be WR, WR, and WR?

[52520Andrew]

I think this is an ideal time to take a LT. I love Monroe but the injuries are old. He does us no good on the trainer's table.

These are pretty much my thoughts, would be huge not to have Hurst out there getting crushed

[Xmadraven]

He was one of the healthiest players in the league before coming to Baltimore and managed to stay healthy through 2013. Not sure why he's been injured so much here, but he's not the only player

 

Injuries are flukey. He only missed one game before being traded here. Monroe is an above average LT he's not gonna dominate every single week. Are his injuries a concern? yeah but it;s a waste to spend a top pick on a LT that we don't need. We need a better backup LT hurst is an ABOMINATION. Urschel will replace K.O Monroe is an asset we shouldn't replace a guy because of some flukey injuries he deserves one more season plus we have wayyyy bigger needs.

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah, Stanley over anyone right now. I cannot stand Monroes duribility. I forgive the concusion, but outside of that he cannot stay on the field.

[PurpleCity5]

Are we now in agreement that our first 3 draft picks need to be WR, WR, and WR?

Lolol We totally need a WR.