Dwight Freeney

[-Truth-]

freeney wouldnt have done squat for our defense. he just got his first sack tonight this season and it was against none other than the worst offensive lineman in the league.... EUGENE MONROE

That's a strange way to spell James Hurst. On a serious note, Monroe isn't even remotely close to being the worst lineman in the league. Even with the sack, he gave up just 2 total disruptions in 34 attempts. Nevermind that Freeny had just his second game of the season and played just 21 snaps in his first contest.

[rmcjacket23]

I'll save this thread for when the rest of the season goes by and nobody hears a peep from Dwight Freeney throughout it.

 

If he gets released before the end of the season, it won't shock me one bit.

 

Standard overreaction. I'm also amused by the fact that fans think that bringing in a veteran FA off the street to rush the passer when you're like 1-6 is a good idea for the franchise long-term...

Edited October 27, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[Drew P]

freeney wouldnt have done squat for our defense. he just got his first sack tonight this season and it was against none other than the worst offensive lineman in the league.... EUGENE MONROE

 

No doubt he looks like a human turnstile

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No doubt he looks like a human turnstile

He's given up 6 disruptions all season, which is among the lowest at his position, 7th best among 77 qualifiers, or the polar opposite of what the term implies. To put things in perspective, combined with his injury riddled campaign, he's allowed 29 since the beginning of last season. Hurst has allowed 24 in this season alone. Unless we're literally picking names out of a hat, it is absurd to glance at our roster and single out Monroe when looking for a turnstile, especially when there is a far better applicant on the list.

[GrimCoconut]

think you forgot calais campbell.

that dude was next to freeney wrecking havoc.

we have nobody of that caliber which freeney could line up next.

Yeah true, although our DL played pretty well yesterday except for some hiccups.

[Tru11]

Yeah true, although our DL played pretty well yesterday except for some hiccups.

 

true but imagine if he had a guy just as good as calais.

 

dude is a beast against the run and pass.

 

flacco barely had room to step up in the pocket .

[GrimCoconut]

I'll save this thread for when the rest of the season goes by and nobody hears a peep from Dwight Freeney throughout it.

If he gets released before the end of the season, it won't shock me one bit.

Standard overreaction. I'm also amused by the fact that fans think that bringing in a veteran FA off the street to rush the passer when you're like 1-6 is a good idea for the franchise long-term...

How amused are you if I tell you fans wanted Freeney when we were 0-1 after the Broncos game? The flaw on this logic is we weren't 1-6 when we wanted Freeney. But then again, I suppose fans only have convenient memories when it suits their purpose.

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/65072-potential-fa-pass-rushers/page-1

[rmcjacket23]

How amused are you if I tell you fans wanted Freeney when we were 0-1 after the Broncos game? The flaw on this logic is we weren't 1-6 when we wanted Freeney. But then again, I suppose fans only have convenient memories when it suits their purpose.

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/65072-potential-fa-pass-rushers/page-1

Still amused, because I still don't see why anybody would want him over allowing the young rushers you have to get a shot.

 

After all, these same fans were begging for more snaps from young receivers, but when it comes time to give younger rushers a chance, we want to sign a journeyman who had 3.5 sacks last season.

 

Explain the logic behind that?

[TheGuild]

D-Free doesn't have that off-the-line burst that was so lethal anymore, but the spin move still looks solid to me. i don't see why he wouldn't be a good rotation pass rusher for any team.

[GrimCoconut]

Still amused, because I still don't see why anybody would want him over allowing the young rushers you have to get a shot.

After all, these same fans were begging for more snaps from young receivers, but when it comes time to give younger rushers a chance, we want to sign a journeyman who had 3.5 sacks last season.

Explain the logic behind that?

Sometimes pressure doesn't always result in sacks. He got a lot of pressure on the QB last year even if the sack numbers weren't there.

[rmcjacket23]

Sometimes pressure doesn't always result in sacks. He got a lot of pressure on the QB last year even if the sack numbers weren't there.

Source for this? 

 

Also, way to dodge the real question. The real question is NOT why wasn't Freeney brought in. The real question is why SHOULD he have been brought in over the young guys that fans spent the offseason demanding to see more of?

 

Why is the youth movement only limited to one position on the field from a fan perspective?

Edited October 27, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[GrimCoconut]

Source for this?

Also, way to dodge the real question. The real question is NOT why wasn't Freeney brought in. The real question is why SHOULD he have been brought in over the young guys that fans spent the offseason demanding to see more of?

Why is the youth movement only limited to one position on the field from a fan perspective?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/17/free-agency-over-30s-still-available/

Look under edge rushers.

First of all you pretentious "expert" I wasn't intentionally dodging any question. I'd recommend you not jump to conclusions because your holier than thou attitude has grown stale. Nobody honestly cares about your pretentious questions asked out of rhetoric in an attempt to potentially reveal a bias from the perspective of fans. I'm not stupid nor am I oblivious on your attempts to simply get a rise out of others. Rather, I'm pointing out the very flaw in your logic that helped you conclude the notion that nobody wanted Freeney, which evidence supports your erroneous statement.

As for your rhetorical question, I'm sure fans wanted an older pass rusher like Freeney because he's proven he can actually rush the passer rather than rely on Dumervil to do it alone with Upshaw who can't rush an elephant and Smith who's a rookie still learning.

Troll.

Edited October 27, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[FlocksGottaFeed]

He's given up 6 disruptions all season, which is among the lowest at his position, 7th best among 77 qualifiers, or the polar opposite of what the term implies. To put things in perspective, combined with his injury riddled campaign, he's allowed 29 since the beginning of last season. Hurst has allowed 24 in this season alone. Unless we're literally picking names out of a hat, it is absurd to glance at our roster and single out Monroe when looking for a turnstile, especially when there is a far better applicant on the list.

Agreed. Truth will set you FREE not Freeney. Freeney had a (1) good sack on a blind spin move that's all. There's so many folks looking for scapegoats right now it's embarrassing. I get it. This season has been beyond belief, but really...a Freeney thread?

[rmcjacket23]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/17/free-agency-over-30s-still-available/

Look under edge rushers.

First of all you pretentious "expert" I wasn't intentionally dodging any question. I'd recommend you not jump to conclusions because your holier than thou attitude has grown stale. Nobody honestly cares about your pretentious questions asked out of rhetoric in an attempt to potentially reveal a bias from the perspective of fans. I'm not stupid nor am I oblivious on your attempts to simply get a rise out of others. Rather, I'm pointing out the very flaw in your logic that helped you conclude the notion that nobody wanted Freeney, which evidence supports your erroneous statement.

As for your rhetorical question, I'm sure fans wanted an older pass rusher like Freeney because he's proven he can actually rush the passer rather than rely on Dumervil to do it alone with Upshaw who can't rush an elephant and Smith who's a rookie still learning.

Troll.

Directly contradicts the notion of saying that we should let the likes of Marlon Brown, Kamar Aiken, Campanaro, etc. get a ton of playing time and not bother bringing in veteran WRs, who as you said, have already proven they can play.

 

Just questioning the hypocrisy that exists of how we really want to see young guys at one position but really want to see veterans at another.... seems like that never occurs until AFTER we already see what happens, as referenced by now knowing that Upshaw and Smith aren't quality rushers.

 

Or, more simply, I'm questioning the utter convenience and overreaction of Freeney getting his own post on a teams website that's not the Cardinals based solely on ONE game people say from him against an Oline that didn't block anybody all game long.

 

Sees like WAY too convenient and naturally hind-sight type thinking. I've come to expect it though.

Edited October 27, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[GrimCoconut]

Directly contradicts the notion of saying that we should let the likes of Marlon Brown, Kamar Aiken, Campanaro, etc. get a ton of playing time and not bother bringing in veteran WRs, who as you said, have already proven they can play.

Just questioning the hypocrisy that exists of how we really want to see young guys at one position but really want to see veterans at another.... seems like that never occurs until AFTER we already see what happens, as referenced by now knowing that Upshaw and Smith aren't quality rushers.

Or, more simply, I'm questioning the utter convenience and overreaction of Freeney getting his own post on a teams website that's not the Cardinals based solely on ONE game people say from him against an Oline that didn't block anybody all game long.

Sees like WAY too convenient and naturally hind-sight type thinking. I've come to expect it though.

I don't disagree with you there but you need to learn how to talk to people better. There's a way of educating people and exposing hypocrisy without being a jerk about it 100% of the time. You're far too condescending. Nobody wants to listen to you when you talk down to them and nobody takes you seriously, causing your sometimes very valid points to fall on deaf ears.

I think the difference between the Freeney situation and the WR corps is there was a lot of hope and promise there. Coaches and press kept talking them up and maybe they're practice champs but we both know that doesn't always work.

As for your comment regarding the double standard where fans ask for a veteran pass rusher to replace a veteran rather than rely on rookies, part of that certainly is ignorance and simply a mistake. Then again, part of that is also fans thinking we'd be okay since we relied on a first round rookie actually playing. There were many fans who actually did ask for us to sign a veteran WR as well. I think you'd hear cries for a veteran WR if Smith Sr truly went down for the year. Suggs is comparable to Smith Sr except on defense. I think and hope most fans realize it's not easy to replace a vital veteran cog with a rookie.

Edited October 27, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[rmcjacket23]

I don't disagree with you there but you need to learn how to talk to people better. There's a way of educating people and exposing hypocrisy without being a jerk about it 100% of the time. You're far too condescending. Nobody wants to listen to you when you talk down to them and nobody takes you seriously, causing your sometimes very valid points to fall on deaf ears.

I think the difference between the Freeney situation and the WR corps is there was a lot of hope and promise there. Coaches and press kept talking them up and maybe they're practice champs but we both know that doesn't always work.

As for your comment regarding the double standard where fans ask for a veteran pass rusher to replace a veteran rather than rely on rookies, part of that certainly is ignorance and simply a mistake. Then again, part of that is also fans thinking we'd be okay since we relied on a first round rookie actually playing. There were many fans who actually did ask for us to sign a veteran WR as well. I think you'd hear cries for a veteran WR if Smith Sr truly went down for the year. Suggs is comparable to Smith Sr except on defense. I think and hope most fans realize it's not easy to replace a vital veteran cog with a rookie.

1. Obviously, I don't care whether people take me seriously or not, because given what I've seen from a lot of people and what they post and their logic behind it, I don't take them seriously either. Whether it falls on deaf ears or not isn't my problem, because they're not my ears. People control what they want to hear and what they don't, regardless of whether its educated, condescending, or just downright wrong.

 

2. I think the difference is the exact opposite. I think pass rush was a position that we felt decently about and lost a key player due to injury and had to replace him, while I think WR was an obvious weakness to even the biggest pom pom wavers and could have been addressed differently earlier in the offseason when there was actually opportunities to add players.

 

Adding players in week 7 or even after the season starts is incredibly difficult. I liked how Herm Edwards said it best the other day, when responding to how fans always say "well just cut him". He said replacement level NFL players aren't guys you just go down to the Kmart and pick up whenever you want. The guy you are cutting is most of the time better than the guy you are adding.

 

And then there's the age old caveat of the fact that Freeney wasn't even signed until week 6, which means 32 NFL teams decided to not sign him for basically over six months now. Either they are all stupid (undoubtedly what some fans think) despite all 32 of them needing pass rush help, or they saw something similar to what the Ravens saw, which was a player they didn't think could help and/or felt that they had better players internally to fill the role.

 

Basically, exactly what the FO and many of the fans thought about our young receiving core. In hind-sight, sure, not a good decision. But its not like the Cardinals are somehow a genius for discovering some previously undiscovered talent here. They took a flier on a veteran and he performed decently in a limited role against an Oline who wasn't playing well. 

 

If I don't hear his name again for a year, I won't be surprised.

[jazz1988]

^{I thought Jason Babin was the better choice  just in case he had to start because  he was  better against the run, had experience being used in the same way as Mcphee , and had some coverage ability, non stop motor and etc.  I think Freeney also received more money than Babin as well  and The Ravens didn't have alot cap space to work with either at the time.}

[-Truth-]

Sometimes pressure doesn't always result in sacks. He got a lot of pressure on the QB last year even if the sack numbers weren't there.

 

Here to cosign this point. Freeny was 6th among all 3-4 OLBs last season with 53 total disruptions. He was also one of the more/most productive on a per snap basis. Judging him solely by his sack totals isn't doing him justice. I also agree with your point about bringing in veteran help at the position. I doubt we've considered Upshaw as a serious replacement for the lack of pressure on the opposite side of Elvis Dumervil. Smith has some upside, but we're almost halfway through the season and we've gotten next to nothing aside from Dumervil's production. Statistically, Upshaw and Smith are 2nd and 4th worst respectively at their position in pressure per snap. Expecting either of the two to suddenly explode and provide dire returns in this department would fit the bill for the definition of insanity. At this point, we're placing our outside contribution almost entirely on Dumervil's back, which could yield in a breakdown down the stretch considering his age and will hinder the secondary when he isn't able to deliver, or at times even when he is. Therefore, while discussing Freeny is somewhat moot considering that the ship has already sailed, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that a relatively productive veteran pass rusher would've helped to at least some degree, especially since we've had to continuously send extra blitzers which hasn't helped the secondary with their owes.

Edited October 28, 2015 by -Truth-

[Winchester]

Our hindsight is the organizations whiff, lol

Ozzie should be ashamed of the roster he's put together. Biscoitti should be p/o'ed about the moves his general manager has elected to make. I keep saying that his old school way of doing business is not in keeping with today's NFL. Sad.

Just cuz Freeney humiliated Monroe does not make him a difference maker at his age. However I do agree Ozzie's old school tactics and off the wall picks are outdated. For one he needs to be more aggressive drafting the players his scouts love. He needs to target specific players and move around the board like jimmy Johnson did. Furthermore signing your own talent is not always the best move. Often the best players are not already on the roster. To not consider letting a player walk for a player that is better and will actually play his best football ever with the ravens is Ozzie not taking advantage of the ocean of talent available to the organization. It is significantly watering down the talent!! Especially ignoring talent and being tunnel visioned for your own players.

[thieverycorporation]

Just cuz Freeney humiliated Monroe does not make him a difference maker at his age. However I do agree Ozzie's old school tactics and off the wall picks are outdated. For one he needs to be more aggressive drafting the players his scouts love. He needs to target specific players and move around the board like jimmy Johnson did. Furthermore signing your own talent is not always the best move. Often the best players are not already on the roster. To not consider letting a player walk for a player that is better and will actually play his best football ever with the ravens is Ozzie not taking advantage of the ocean of talent available to the organization. It is significantly watering down the talent!! Especially ignoring talent and being tunnel visioned for your own players.

Freeny wasn't a focal point of my comment. (JS) And I have stated on numerous occasions your latter points so we do agree