The Good, the bad and the ugly vs Cardinals

[BmoreBird22]

I still don't think Trestman is that bad.  I don't like the end arounds, but you have to try and make them respect the speed guys and keep it on their mind... I guess.  Yes, he makes bad calls for certain downs at times, but every OC does.  The pass pro is hit or miss and it still seems like there is a lack of communication between C and QB on blitz pick ups.  The o line has taken a step back, the wr corps could barely cut it in college and he's still stuck trying to run another system.

 

He really doesn't have much to work with and I think he's trying.  However the offense finishes, I don't think he can really be judged off this season.

I don't know why it'd be a miscommunication with the quarterback... the quarterback doesn't set the protection or direct who to pick up a blitz.

[Dr. Kelley]

I know everyone was excited we were going to stick to Kubiak's thing but in hindsight, maybe an OC should get to run the system they are comfortable with.

But what do we know about trestmans system? He seems to be incorporating a lot of what he ran in Chicago. Would it be a step down?

[BmoreBird22]

Why was this negged?

 

Do people not realize how serious that is, especially for a skill position player?

Probably because Lisfranc is one word

[redrum52]

The real question is, why is everyone so mad?

 

Who here REALLY thought we were going to win anyway?  The game basically played out like I thought it would.  As bad as the record looks, this team isn't that far away.

 

 

 

Then again, I said that last year and look what happened to us this go around...

[Dr. Kelley]

Probably because Lisfranc is one word

I wish I could +10000 for this, post of the night

[JoeyFlex5]

Why was this negged?

 

Do people not realize how serious that is, especially for a skill position player?

thats it, they want to bash our top CB because hey aren't satisfied with Webb and pees as the fall guys, so they disregard a VERY serious injury to curb their bloodlust. To hell with logic and facts, people want heads to roll!

[redrum52]

I don't know why it'd be a miscommunication with the quarterback... the quarterback doesn't set the protection or direct who to pick up a blitz. 

 

This is why I need you, to clean up my mess. Thanks.  

 

Now that you I think about it, I think you told me this before too.  He can't change protection, but couldn't he move someone to help block?

Probably because Lisfranc is one word

 

Wow, I'm slow.  LMAO... didn't catch that the first time.

[ravensdfan]

Ed Reed wants to be the Head Coach of Miami.

Which I find comical since he's never been a coach at all. I love Reed, but you do need some experience actually coaching in some capacity.

[Underdogsontop!]

11 out of 10 times joes throws of his back foot it's a pick. Just sayin..... Also marlon brown should convert to CB since he can't catch the ball or go be a janitor at the facility. lol I really expected more from marlon this year......

[ravensdfan]

But what do we know about trestmans system? He seems to be incorporating a lot of what he ran in Chicago. Would it be a step down?

True but I doubt it will be Kubiak's system if Trestman is here next year so perhaps better to know if his system doesn't fit our players or who we are now then later.

[BmoreBird22]

This is why I need you, to clean up my mess. Thanks.  

 

Now that you I think about it, I think you told me this before too.  He can't change protection, but couldn't he move someone to help block?

 

Wow, I'm slow.  LMAO... didn't catch that the first time.

I mean, I guess he could probably switch sides with the running back, but that still requires the players to recognize it. I don't remember when it occurred, I think just before half, Mathieu blitzed in from a corner blitz and Forsett goes right up the middle to block. 

Blitz pick up has been a real weak area for the Ravens this year and it's beginning to be very frustrating. Lack of communication seems to be a huge issue.

[Dr. Kelley]

Which I find comical since he's never been a coach at all. I love Reed, but you do need some experience actually coaching in some capacity.

Maybe db coach here and save our secondary?

Its not like we wont throw money at him and he does love that

[ravensdfan]

Trestman's playcalling is horrendous!  So predictable...Cam Cameron 2.0 style!  SMH!!

I'm not a fan but he IS new and IS trying to run someone else's system. Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but it is fading fast.

 

Maybe db coach here and save our secondary?

Its not like we wont throw money at him and he does love that

I would be alright with this too. He mentioned about coaching when he left here.

[usmccharles]

11 out of 10 times joes throws of his back foot it's a pick. Just sayin..... Also marlon brown should convert to CB since he can't catch the ball or go be a janitor at the facility. lol I really expected more from marlon this year......

While i agree that when he throws off his back foot something bad is going to happen, but he doesnt have much choiced when the pocked is being pushed back in his face. 

[Static]

11 out of 10 times joes throws of his back foot it's a pick. Just sayin..... Also marlon brown should convert to CB since he can't catch the ball or go be a janitor at the facility. lol I really expected more from marlon this year......

 

and he also delivered strikes when the pocket was clean.

[redrum52]

I mean, I guess he could probably switch sides with the running back, but that still requires the players to recognize it. I don't remember when it occurred, I think just before half, Mathieu blitzed in from a corner blitz and Forsett goes right up the middle to block. 

Blitz pick up has been a real weak area for the Ravens this year and it's beginning to be very frustrating. Lack of communication seems to be a huge issue.

 

 

It's been a huge issue I think.  Way too many free runners and it seems the team just invites it.  Where we'll show an overload blitz, or safety blitz, it seems like the other team always adjust.  When we're faced with it, not so much.

[BmoreBird22]

It's been a huge issue I think.  Way too many free runners and it seems the team just invites it.  Where we'll show an overload blitz, or safety blitz, it seems like the other team always adjust.  When we're faced with it, not so much.

A lot of the time tonight I just saw two players block the same guy and have a free rusher come in and then I see the two guys the defender split go, "Oh crap, we're supposed to block him!" 

 

I don't know whether that's on Trestman not being comfortable using Kubiak's offense or what, but it's been a huge issue as compared to last year. Trestman just needs to do his thing, not Kubiak's. 

[Tru11]

I mean, I guess he could probably switch sides with the running back, but that still requires the players to recognize it. I don't remember when it occurred, I think just before half, Mathieu blitzed in from a corner blitz and Forsett goes right up the middle to block. 

Blitz pick up has been a real weak area for the Ravens this year and it's beginning to be very frustrating. Lack of communication seems to be a huge issue.

 

the C is supposed to make the blocking calls based on what the QB sees.

 

however im pretty sure thats only for the o-line or those on the LOS.

 

think a back falls on the QB and he can have him change sides.

 

someone needs to spot where the blitz is going to come from and usually thats the QB.

[BmoreBird22]

the C is supposed to make the blocking calls based on what the QB sees.

 

however im pretty sure thats only for the o-line or those on the LOS.

 

think a back falls on the QB and he can have him change sides.

 

someone needs to spot where the blitz is going to come from and usually thats the QB.

The quarterbacks job is usually to identify the Mike, and that's about it.

 

The quarterback could say where he thinks the blitz will come from, but he's not the one setting the pressure or telling the offensive line who to block. That's the center. 

 

According to our resident offensive line expert, the center will either set the pressure or the play will come with a blitz pick up designed in it, but the quarterback is really only responsible for picking up the Mike.

[Tru11]

A lot of the time tonight I just saw two players block the same guy and have a free rusher come in and then I see the two guys the defender split go, "Oh crap, we're supposed to block him!" 

 

I don't know whether that's on Trestman not being comfortable using Kubiak's offense or what, but it's been a huge issue as compared to last year. Trestman just needs to do his thing, not Kubiak's. 

 

thats on the C and castillo if im not mistaken.

 

1 thing i hate to see though is waiting till 1 second is left to snap and yanda having to tap zuttah to snap.

 

pretty much gives the snap away and makes it easier for the rushers to get a good jump.

 

lining up faster and get the plays in quicker is on trestman though.

[Dr. Kelley]

the C is supposed to make the blocking calls based on what the QB sees.

however im pretty sure thats only for the o-line or those on the LOS.

think a back falls on the QB and he can have him change sides.

someone needs to spot where the blitz is going to come from and usually thats the QB.

But isn't qb supposed to just spy the mike lb and the center judge the blocking on the line? Serious question

[Tru11]

The quarterbacks job is usually to identify the Mike, and that's about it.

 

The quarterback could say where he thinks the blitz will come from, but he's not the one setting the pressure or telling the offensive line who to block. That's the center. 

 

According to our resident offensive line expert, the center will either set the pressure or the play will come with a blitz pick up designed in it, but the quarterback is really only responsible for picking up the Mike.

 

yeah but thats the thing.

if he does not identify the mike or calls out the wrong one, protection is going to be set wrong.

 

also with blitz pick up build you are pretty much at the mercy of the RB making the right read.

[Waywatcher]

I've definitely seen some QBs in the "elite" (apologies...easiest adjective to come up with) echelon that had the liberty to call for "max protect" audibles, bringing TEs, RBs, or even WRs split out wide in-line to help block an overload to one side. There's also the "hot read" that's generally packed into a decent red zone play call to which a QB can audible.

 

Both options require the liberty of a package of plays with flexible audible options, though. I have no way to know if Trestman's playbook contains them.

[Dr. Kelley]

The quarterbacks job is usually to identify the Mike, and that's about it.

The quarterback could say where he thinks the blitz will come from, but he's not the one setting the pressure or telling the offensive line who to block. That's the center.

According to our resident offensive line expert, the center will either set the pressure or the play will come with a blitz pick up designed in it, but the quarterback is really only responsible for picking up the Mike.

Actually you just answered my above question, thx

[BmoreBird22]

thats on the C and castillo if im not mistaken.

 

1 thing i hate to see though is waiting till 1 second is left to snap and yanda having to tap zuttah to snap.

 

pretty much gives the snap away and makes it easier for the rushers to get a good jump.

 

lining up faster and get the plays in quicker is on trestman though.

The right guard tapping the center isn't terribly uncommon from what I've seen across the NFL. Now, it could be I'm only seeing it with the play clock running down, but I'm honestly not remembering that well.

 

Yanda did it with Birk and Gradkowski, too. 

[redrum52]

The quarterbacks job is usually to identify the Mike, and that's about it.

 

The quarterback could say where he thinks the blitz will come from, but he's not the one setting the pressure or telling the offensive line who to block. That's the center. 

 

According to our resident offensive line expert, the center will either set the pressure or the play will come with a blitz pick up designed in it, but the quarterback is really only responsible for picking up the Mike.

 

 

Good to know.  I understood they needed to identify the Mike, but thought they also read the front and would make adjustments based on what they saw.  We might need a smarter C.

[redrum52]

The right guard tapping the center isn't terribly uncommon from what I've seen across the NFL. Now, it could be I'm only seeing it with the play clock running down, but I'm honestly not remembering that well.

 

Yanda did it with Birk and Gradkowski, too. 

Maybe so the C can make his adjustments without worrying about watching the clock as well.

[Waywatcher]

Good to know.  I understood they needed to identify the Mike, but thought they also read the front and would make adjustments based on what they saw.  We might need a smarter C.

 

I happen to know of a potential center on the roster who's a former Rhodes scholar and current math genius. 

[BmoreBird22]

Good to know.  I understood they needed to identify the Mike, but thought they also read the front and would make adjustments based on what they saw.  We might need a smarter C.

How's Urschel sound...?

In all honesty, I'd look into kicking Zuttah over to LG and putting in Urschel at center next season. Zuttah doesn't exactly handle larger defensive tackles well and he does have experience at LG. 

Doubt it happens, but it would be nice.

[Tru11]

But isn't qb supposed to just spy the mike lb and the center judge the blocking on the line? Serious question

 

yup.

 

if the qb does not say it or points out the wrong person chances are the C will not adjust or call the wrong protection.

 

its starts with the QB identifying it.

 

its why guys like manning , brady and rodgers line up fast and use the time to do those fake snaps to see who jumps so they can identify whats going to happen and tell the C so he can make the proper calls.