The Jalen Ramsey (CB/S) Train

[PurpleCity5]

Personally, I wouldn't be upset at all with Ramsey but based off of value and what we could use the top 5 pick on in the 1st round instead, I would rather have Deon Bush at the top of the 3rd.

Depending on where his stock is, I really would like to have Vonn Bell with Hargreaves much rather than Ramsey and another CB.

If we get Hargreaves in the 1st, with Boyd in the 2nd and Bell in the 3rd, then that would be a dream come true for me.

[GrimCoconut]

Depending on where his stock is, I really would like to have Vonn Bell with Hargreaves much rather than Ramsey and another CB.

If we get Hargreaves in the 1st, with Boyd in the 2nd and Bell in the 3rd, then that would be a dream come true for me.

That would certainly be an excellent draft. Throw in Ogbah and I'll go crazy lol

[PurpleCity5]

I love what I see in Bell. He's a really good safety prospect and reminds me of Harrison Smith.

Yeah, I think Ramsey is easily the best safety in this class but it won't be the end of the world if we don't get him. Man, I really think Vonn Bell is great.

Edited November 24, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

That would certainly be an excellent draft. Throw in Ogbah and I'll go crazy lol

Lol same here. I would love to have that scenario unfold. We should be picking early in the 3rd, with the comp picks being available for trade Id love to move back into the 2nd for Bell.

[GrimCoconut]

Lol same here. I would love to have that scenario unfold. We should be picking early in the 3rd, with the comp picks being available for trade Id love to move back into the 2nd for Bell.

I'd like to have my cake and eat it, too. If we get the top pick and trade back to #5 or so, pick up Hargreaves or Tunsil, then trade up and pick-up Ogbah, and trade up again and somehow nab Boyd, use our original third on Bell I think that'll pay huge dividends for this team.

I don't think the safety drop off is huge. That said, drafting Ramsey means we can address two positions with one, hypothetically. Ramsey could always play CB for us until we get a better option. If we get someone better then that means we can move him back to safety. If not, he'll play CB. It's a win win.

Edited November 24, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[January J]

I'd like to have my cake and eat it, too. If we get the top pick and trade back to #5 or so, pick up Hargreaves or Tunsil, then trade up and pick-up Ogbah, and trade up again and somehow nab Boyd, use our original third on Bell I think that'll pay huge dividends for this team.

I don't think the safety drop off is huge. That said, drafting Ramsey means we can address two positions with one, hypothetically. Ramsey could always play CB for us until we get a better option. If we get someone better then that means we can move him back to safety. If not, he'll play CB. It's a win win.

if the draft somehow panned out that way I would also crap a brick and I think it would propel us right back into contention and we will be an extremely strong team for years to come. I'm also lightening up on getting tunsil...still would rather go Hargreaves or Ramsey but I'd be happy either way. But yeah if we come away with even 2 of those 4 I'd be pretty ecstatic. And it's pretty much a sure thing with the way our draft position is looking. Hargreaves/ Ramsey/ tunsil, ogbah, Boyd, bell, Myles jack ... All we need is 1 of the first 3 and 1 of the last 4 and I'm thrilled.

[PurpleCity5]

I'd like to have my cake and eat it, too. If we get the top pick and trade back to #5 or so, pick up Hargreaves or Tunsil, then trade up and pick-up Ogbah, and trade up again and somehow nab Boyd, use our original third on Bell I think that'll pay huge dividends for this team.

I don't think the safety drop off is huge. That said, drafting Ramsey means we can address two positions with one, hypothetically. Ramsey could always play CB for us until we get a better option. If we get someone better then that means we can move him back to safety. If not, he'll play CB. It's a win win.

I don't believe the drop off at safety is huge, but man Vonn Bell can be a special player in this league. I think Ramsey holds more value than Hargreaves since he can play 2 positions, but man, I don't see any CB near the caliber of Hargreaves.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't believe the drop off at safety is huge, but man Vonn Bell can be a special player in this league. I think Ramsey holds more value than Hargreaves since he can play 2 positions, but man, I don't see any CB near the caliber of Hargreaves.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the Ravens draft an OLB high, take a safety like Bell early, and sign a CB in free agency while investing in a CB in the third round or later.

[PurpleCity5]

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the Ravens draft an OLB high, take a safety like Bell early, and sign a CB in free agency while investing in a CB in the third round or later.

I think its the opposite, I feel that we'll address OLB through FA, that doesn't mean we won't draft one early. Even if we signed a guy like Nick Perry I still believe we would take Bosa or Ogbah if they're there. If we do sign a CB, would that change on our stance to take Bell? If Ramsey is there then I think you take him over Hargreaves in that event.

Edited November 24, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[GrimCoconut]

I think its the opposite, I feel that we'll address OLB through FA, that doesn't mean we won't draft one early. Even if we signed a guy like Nick Perry I still believe we would take Bosa or Ogbah if they're there. If we do sign a CB, would that change on our stance to take Bell? If Ramsey is there then I think you take him over Hargreaves in that event.

To each their own. I think we'll recognize the importance of bringing in a replacement for Suggs and I don't think it'll necessarily be through a free agent. Foregoing the comment by Biscotti, we've already invested financially info Suggs and Dumervil. Investing financially into another OLB would be very constraining on our cap.

Now if Suggs retires for some reason, that's different. We'll certainly sign someone, but I'd expect serious financial investment into a WR or OL over OLB.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I'm opposite, while I think Ramsey is a great prospect I prefer the latter in Hargreaves. I think I'll stay that way barring any major injury to Hargreaves. While Ramsey is a great prospect, I really like the safety class this year and I think this is a strong class of safeties. Man, I really like Vonn Bell, he looks really legit. I really think he can be a great player. While I look at this CB class and I'm honestly not impressed. I feel that if we don't get Ramsey, then we can say, "Hey, there's some good prospects there". While the same can't be said about CB, I feel that even though the decision if up to F.O, I think we would go with Hargreaves over Ramsey. 

 

I have come to the point where I think that Ramsey and Hargreaves are nearly the same as far as prospective talent in my eyes,  with me actually preferring Ramsey over Hargreaves in a vacuum. Looking at the DB class as a whole, I would have to agree with you in saying Hargreaves is the better option for us. Bell, Joseph, and King all look like guys to me that could fill in and be more serviceable than a corner we could get in the position that we could get those guys.

[Cillmatic]

I'll just leave THIS here...

This guy EATS tight ends

Edited November 24, 2015 by Cillmatic

[DomMcRaven]

I'll just leave THIS here...

This guy EATS tight ends

So.........how do you feel about Ramsey?

[PurpleCity5]

To each their own. I think we'll recognize the importance of bringing in a replacement for Suggs and I don't think it'll necessarily be through a free agent. Foregoing the comment by Biscotti, we've already invested financially info Suggs and Dumervil. Investing financially into another OLB would be very constraining on our cap.

Now if Suggs retires for some reason, that's different. We'll certainly sign someone, but I'd expect serious financial investment into a WR or OL over OLB.

I honestly think we've spent a lot at CB. I mean a $48M deal for Jimmy and a $52M deal for Webb have been heavy investments at CB. We've invested more at CB then almost any other position in terms of cap. Even if we cut Webb, we're still dealing with his cap hit only to add another FA CB. I think that's more hefty as a whole than any other position. 

 

I personally think that a cap cut OLB would make sense. I think there are some guys out there. 

[PurpleCity5]

I have come to the point where I think that Ramsey and Hargreaves are nearly the same as far as prospective talent in my eyes,  with me actually preferring Ramsey over Hargreaves in a vacuum. Looking at the DB class as a whole, I would have to agree with you in saying Hargreaves is the better option for us. Bell, Joseph, and King all look like guys to me that could fill in and be more serviceable than a corner we could get in the position that we could get those guys.

The drop off at FS after Ramsey isn't huge per say. I think this safety class is stacked. I really like some of the guys in the mid-later rounds. Vonn Bell, Darian Thompson, Jamal Adams, and Jeremy Cash has each caught my eye, especially Vonn Bell. If anyone here hasn't check him out they really should. The guy can ball. 

 

Likewise, I look at this CB class and the drop off in talent after Hargreaves is apparent. I've cooled down on plenty of guys and while I like Kendall Fuller, you have to think whether that injury will affect his stock and whether or not the guy will return to school.

 

I think Hargreaves and Ramsey are neck and neck, I think it really depends on how we conduct our offseason. 

[Baltimore RAYvens]

The drop off at FS after Ramsey isn't huge per say. I think this safety class is stacked. I really like some of the guys in the mid-later rounds. Vonn Bell, Darian Thompson, Jamal Adams, and Jeremy Cash has each caught my eye, especially Vonn Bell. If anyone here hasn't check him out they really should. The guy can ball. 

 

Likewise, I look at this CB class and the drop off in talent after Hargreaves is apparent. I've cooled down on plenty of guys and while I like Kendall Fuller, you have to think whether that injury will affect his stock and whether or not the guy will return to school.

 

I think Hargreaves and Ramsey are neck and neck, I think it really depends on how we conduct our offseason. 

 

I guess I didn't make myself clear since this is about what I was trying to say. I think Hargreaves vs. Ramsey is splitting hairs, whereas CB class vs Safety class is clearly skewed with much more talent at safety

[PurpleCity5]

I guess I didn't make myself clear since this is about what I was trying to say. I think Hargreaves vs. Ramsey is splitting hairs, whereas CB class vs Safety class is clearly skewed with much more talent at safety

Oh ok, gotcha, sorry about the mis-understanding and you're totally right.

[Sami84]

sadly i think our need of a legit young pass rusher negates everything.

 

that is of course unless we clear a tonne of cap and get von miller

[Cillmatic]

I would like Hargreaves but him getting injuried and going on Instagram DURING the game makes me wonder about him.

sadly i think our need of a legit young pass rusher negates everything.

that is of course unless we clear a tonne of cap and get von miller

Miller's out if our price range. Bosa's overrated, Ogbah's cool.

[Sami84]

I would like Hargreaves but him getting injuried and going on Instagram DURING the game makes me wonder about him.

Miller's out if our price range. Bosa's overrated, Ogbah's cool.

 

Bosa is not overrated. He's a terrific all round player. His only average game was the last one. He has been utterly dominant throughout and even been triple teamed!

[Sizzlebshu]

Don't see the appeal

[GrimCoconut]

Don't see the appeal

In Ramsey?

[Sizzlebshu]

In Ramsey?

Yep

[GrimCoconut]

Yep

Why not? Any particular reason? I have questions myself and wonder if we see the same.

[TDubbs]

I like Ramsey's size, speed and physicality for sure. What I don't like is that I don't know if he is a Safety or a Corner and if he's a true fit at either position. I also tend to agree w/ a previous poster that there is not a huge drop off at FS after Ramsey (if he is drafted as FS). Additionally, I'd like to bring in a veteran FS free agent and take VH3 with our pick. 

[PurpleCity5]

I like Ramsey's size, speed and physicality for sure. What I don't like is that I don't know if he is a Safety or a Corner and if he's a true fit at either position. I also tend to agree w/ a previous poster that there is not a huge drop off at FS after Ramsey (if he is drafted as FS). Additionally, I'd like to bring in a veteran FS free agent and take VH3 with our pick. 

I feel that Ramsey is a safety. He has all the skill sets in what you want in a safety and while he's solid as a CB, I just feel that isn't his natural position and that Hargreaves is easily the superior CB. 

 

I totally agree in terms of drop off at safety. It's not too apparent. While Ramsey is easily better than Bell or Thompson, both of those prospects are pretty talented. I would love to come away in the draft with either of them. 

 

I feel that while this is a solid CB class, it's not as strong as the safety class, which is just stacked. I've been impressed with Vonn Bell, Darian Thompson, and Jeremy Cash, and I see people here talk up Karl Joseph. There are also other safeties who I have yet to see who have gotten good reviews. 

Edited November 25, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[TDubbs]

I feel that Ramsey is a safety. He has all the skill sets in what you want in a safety and while he's solid as a CB, I just feel that isn't his natural position and that Hargreaves is easily the superior CB. 

 

I totally agree in terms of drop off at safety. It's not too apparent. While Ramsey is easily better than Bell or Thompson, both of those prospects are pretty talented. I would love to come away in the draft with either of them. 

 

I feel that while this is a solid CB class, it's not as strong as the safety class, which is just stacked. I've been impressed with Vonn Bell, Darian Thompson, and Jeremy Cash, and I see people here talk up Karl Joseph. There are also other safeties who I have yet to see who have gotten good reviews. 

 

At 6'1 200 lbs Ramsey would certainly have the size to play Safety so maybe thats where he slots in, maybe it pushes him down in the draft? But yes, my guy is VH3 ... we know he's a superior CB and a day 1 starter. 

 

I'd love to get Bell or Thompson later on, we still have T Brooks as well. Develop 1 of those rookies and bring in a veteran FS like say, Chris Clemons from AZ ... I'd be comfortable at FS without Ramsey, but confident knowing we have Smith and VH3 at CB. 

[allblackraven]

There's always possibility Ramsey and Hargreaves decide to come back for their senior seasons, Ravens go on a tear in 2016, end up with a draft pick in 29-32 range and never draft either of them.

[JoeyFlex5]

do people still look at ramsey as a cb?

[PurpleCity5]

There's always possibility Ramsey and Hargreaves decide to come back for their senior seasons, Ravens go on a tear in 2016, end up with a draft pick in 29-32 range and never draft either of them.

I don't think they would or should. Their stock is high enough, they should want to keep it that way.