The Robert Nkemdiche (DL) Bandwagon

[RaineV1]

Why do we need ANOTHER DT though?

Just because you are good at a position doesn't mean you should pass up someone with the potential to be the best in the league at that position. I really don't want to pass up a guy that can get double digit sacks every year and could be the next JJ Watt. I just don't see any other defender in this draft making as big of an impact as Nkemdiche.

[Cillmatic]

Just because you are good at a position doesn't mean you should pass up someone with the potential to be the best in the league at that position. I really don't want to pass up a guy that can get double digit sacks every year and could be the next JJ Watt. I just don't see any other defender in this draft making as big of an impact as Nkemdiche.

He won't be the next JJ Watt though, he's a DT, same spot that the young and high potential Davis, Jernigan and Williams. That's like having a top pick but deciding to draft a QB instead of a high need just because the QB is slightly better, despite you ALREADY having a good franchise QB like Flacco...

[flynismo]

I need to see more of this guy. I haven't watched enough of his games to give a fair opinion. I'm going to get to work on it when I need a break from studying PHP.

How's the PHP coming? Nearly done with a framework that I'll be releasing

[GrimCoconut]

How's the PHP coming? Nearly done with a framework that I'll be releasing

Not too bad. I just finished my block on it and now I'm working on testing for vulnerabilities. I learned how to do an XSS and how to stop one. Next week I'll be working on MySQL and I assume we'll be focusing on SQL injection. Edited November 15, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Jamal]

He won't be the next JJ Watt though, he's a DT, same spot that the young and high potential Davis, Jernigan and Williams. That's like having a top pick but deciding to draft a QB instead of a high need just because the QB is slightly better, despite you ALREADY having a good franchise QB like Flacco...

People would have said the same about Aaron Donald, and he's just as good as Watt if not better if I dare say so.

[arnie_uk]

People would have said the same about Aaron Donald, and he's just as good as Watt if not better if I dare say so.

I'm surprised he fell to the teens. Absolutely loved him coming out, have seen very little of him in the pros though.

[GrimCoconut]

I remember arguing with someone that we should take Donald and they said we shouldn't because he didn't fit our system. I still believe great players would fit and find their way on the field. I would've loved Donald here.

[PurpleCity5]

Aaron Donald would have totally been a fit here. I remember having a talk with a Raiders fan abiut their 5th pick and he believed that if Mack was gone Aaron Donald was his top choice at 5. I was skeptical at first but after watching Aaron Donalds tape I was blown away. I don't think you pick players based on scheme but talent and skill.

[52520Andrew]

I remember arguing with someone that we should take Donald and they said we shouldn't because he didn't fit our system. I still believe great players would fit and find their way on the field. I would've loved Donald here.

Eh there is a line, Donald went to the perfect team. I don't know how he would handle 2 gapping but maybe we let him do his thing here. Feel like Jernigan would be better 1 gapping as well though so who knows.

[GrimCoconut]

Eh there is a line, Donald went to the perfect team. I don't know how he would handle 2 gapping but maybe we let him do his thing here. Feel like Jernigan would be better 1 gapping as well though so who knows.

I honestly hope that Dean Pees would be smart enough to realize that Donald is best in the one-gap and keep him there, but it's true that you never know based on what we've seen with our current personnel. Still, I think he would've fit since he can two-gap but it's not his strength and actually takes away from his strength. Regardless, I can't see why a DC would make him consistently two-gap and I think that DC would quickly find himself fired if asked to do such. 

[52520Andrew]

I honestly hope that Dean Pees would be smart enough to realize that Donald is best in the one-gap and keep him there, but it's true that you never know based on what we've seen with our current personnel. Still, I think he would've fit since he can two-gap but it's not his strength and actually takes away from his strength. Regardless, I can't see why a DC would make him consistently two-gap and I think that DC would quickly find himself fired if asked to do such.

Yeah hopefully. You guys know I am a huge Donald fan so if we took him and Pees asked him to 2 gap consistently, I'd be livid. He went before us though so oh well, think Beckham would have fit us better anyways if we are talking about trading up. Great now I am back to imagining Flacco and Beckham

[arnie_uk]

Aaron Donald was my number 1 player that year, Greg Robinson 2nd (rams got both) and Beckham 3rd.

Donald is the player you build a defence around. We would changed our scheme to fit him, we would have, we would have, we would have.

If I say it often enough does it make it true?

[rmw10]

Aaron Donald was my number 1 player that year, Greg Robinson 2nd (rams got both) and Beckham 3rd.

Donald is the player you build a defence around. We would changed our scheme to fit him, we would have, we would have, we would have.

If I say it often enough does it make it true?

 

I was one saying that I didn't like Donald here because I think he's best exploding through gaps and he'd be limited in a 2 gap scheme, but I'll digress now.  I wish somehow we could've gotten him.  As you said, I'd like to think we would have tried to build a defense around him had we been lucky enough to get him.

[arnie_uk]

I was one saying that I didn't like Donald here because I think he's best exploding through gaps and he'd be limited in a 2 gap scheme, but I'll digress now. I wish somehow we could've gotten him. As you said, I'd like to think we would have tried to build a defense around him had we been lucky enough to get him.

knowing us we'd have him eating two blockers for Zach orr to rush the QB, since Mosley wouldn't be there... Edited November 15, 2015 by arnie_uk

[52520Andrew]

knowing us we'd have him eating two blockers for Zach orr to rush the QB, since Mosley wouldn't be there...

I can just hear Pees complaining about Donald needing to do better as a 2 gapper

[Inqui]

I can just hear Pees complaining about Donald needing to do better as a 2 gapper

I feel sick just imagining those press conferences.

[Inqui]

Anyway, Kim D's the kinda guy I'm 100% deferring to Ozzie over (I'll probably back whoever he takes anyway, but with Kim D I'm not going to give his choice either way a second thought). The talent's clearly there (and watching what he did against Alabama is all the more impressive when you see what they did to LSU), but I can understand the concerns about him as a two-gapper, and to top it all off we don't even know who our DC will be next year.

 

Ultimately our record with DL guys is so good that if we take him I'd start throwing money at CJ becoming DPoY overnight* (in the same way Lotuleilei did so much for Kuechly), but if we let him slide I'll take that to mean he likely wouldn't have been a game breaker in our scheme. If he gets taken before us, I'll treat that as a case of "dilemma averted" and probably be more relieved about it than I'd care to admit.

 

*But only in states and territories where gambling is legal and only because I'm over 21.

[52520Andrew]

*But only in states and territories where gambling is legal and only because I'm over 21.

And certainly not through these boards right

[ravefan52]

The fact that Donald was picked at 13 and Decosta said Mosley was our guy since the 10th pick may say we didn't see him as a fit.

[Jamal]

The fact that Donald was picked at 13 and Decosta said Mosley was our guy since the 10th pick may say we didn't see him as a fit.

If that's the reason they didn't take him, I find it idiotic. For a player like Donald, you build your defense around him and not the other way around.

And if we take Bosa, and 4-3 is a better fit, you have to adapt. Especially with a pick that high.

[ravefan52]

If that's the reason they didn't take him, I find it idiotic. For a player like Donald, you build your defense around him and not the other way around.

And if we take Bosa, and 4-3 is a better fit, you have to adapt. Especially with a pick that high.

Ya idk if that was why, just a thought. Interesting how we would have passed up both him and OBJ though.

I agree you just take Bosa. We probably wouldn't switch to a 4-3, but he's a great a pass rusher and you'll let him be that and find a way for him to fit.

Edited November 16, 2015 by ravefan52

[Purple Punishment]

insult to such a talent.

Joe is still waiting for his WR to grow with him at year 7

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not sure I believe DeCosta when he says Mosley was the top guy at 10. I'm thinking that was some nice lip-service to their new pick. We can't really disprove that, however. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Joe is still waiting for his WR to grow with him at year 7

joe is not a talent and he needs to be cut asap. 

 

jk. but joe has shown he is able to win without investing too heavily in weapons, and we have a winning formula that has worked for those 7 years, sure it would be nice to be able to have a good defense AND weapons at WR, but its easier said than done. 

 

i think the franchise would be better off with decent weapons and a very good defense, sadly we have none of those at the moment, we have trash across the board, competent guys at wr would suffice if we had our typical defense. 

 

right now, i think we need more investment on the defense, not only is it really bad right now, but unless we make moves, the future looks even darker.

[JoeyFlex5]

these cracks on pees about if we had donald are hilarious lol

[ravefan52]

joe is not a talent and he needs to be cut asap.

jk. but joe has shown he is able to win without investing too heavily in weapons, and we have a winning formula that has worked for those 7 years, sure it would be nice to be able to have a good defense AND weapons at WR, but its easier said than done.

i think the franchise would be better off with decent weapons and a very good defense, sadly we have none of those at the moment, we have trash across the board, competent guys at wr would suffice if we had our typical defense.

right now, i think we need more investment on the defense, not only is it really bad right now, but unless we make moves, the future looks even darker.

I don't think it was a coincidence that when we finally got Flacco a good set of weapons (Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby, Pitta, Rice) he went on a huge tear and won a SB. I also don't think we should ignore the defense, completely abandon BPA or dish out huge money for a WR, but I'd really like to make getting some good ones a priority for once. I mean we may never even see Joe with a (current at the time) pro bowl receiver. Imagine what he could do with what guys like Rodgers, Dalton, Brees, Peyton and Ben has or has had at points in their career. We haven't even seen him at his best before.

Also not really sure how a Nkemdiche thread turned into this

Edited November 17, 2015 by ravefan52

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I only see us grabbing Nkemdiche if we trade back and Bosa/Ramsey/Hargreaves are all gone. At that point I think it's still a toss up between him and the two tackles, but I'd be happy with any of those 6

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't think it was a coincidence that when we finally got Flacco a good set of weapons (Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby, Pitta, Rice) he went on a huge tear and won a SB. I also don't think we should ignore the defense, completely abandon BPA or dish out huge money for a WR, but I'd really like to make getting some good ones a priority for once. I mean we may never even see Joe with a (current at the time) pro bowl receiver. Imagine what he could do with what guys like Rodgers, Dalton, Brees, Peyton and Ben has or has had at points in their career. We haven't even seen him at his best before.

Also not really sure how a Nkemdiche thread turned into this

boldin, torrey and pitta, were decent weapons, most top tier qbs have had much better weapons than that, im just saying i think the team overall would perform best with some solid and reliable targets on offense comparable to our 2012 guys, i know joe has won pretty consistently with weak targets and a good defense and running game, i think its more about continuity, keeping joes competent targets rather than letting them go.

 

and thsi is on a nkemdiche thread because purple punishment brought it up, and now were discussing the advantages of investing on defense vs the offense, no betterl place to do that than on a thread about a defensive player who is a total luxury but possibly the top talent in the whole draft

[52520Andrew]

Nkemdiche has some pretty damn nice explosion

[MissRay27]

I'm on board. Would be a home run if he falls our way.