[News] Late For Work 10/22: Chances Of Ravens Getting No. 1 Overall Draft Pick?

[Purple&Black]

I wanted Dorset as far as wr, but he really hasn't done much either

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

"[W]here’s the youth, with Smith planning to retire, and Forsett already 30 years old? " - Clifton Brown

 

One guy got himself kicked out of the league and the other is in SF because we decided not to pay him.Anyone who questions Ozzie's draft record in the last five years is an idiot.I may not agree with him on draft day because he always drafts defensive players with the top picks,but we usually walk away from the draft with three or four guys who are impact players.Our biggest problem has been us not holding onto guys in FA and injuries halting the promising careers of Pitta and Webb.

Edited October 22, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[PalmBayRaven]

"[W]here’s the youth, with Smith planning to retire, and Forsett already 30 years old? " - Clifton Brown

 

One guy got himself kicked out of the league and the other is in SF because we decided not to pay him.Anyone who questions Ozzie's draft record in the last five years is an idiot.I may not agree with him on draft day because he always drafts defensive players with the top picks,but we usually walk away from the draft with three or four guys who are impact players.Our biggest problem has been us not holding onto guys in FA and injuries halting the promising careers of Pitta and Webb.

 

That's the problem we don't have those 3 or 4 impact players from the draft. Jimmy Smith is the only one left from the 2011draft. It continues on with 2012, 2013 drafts also. Really Matt Elam as our #1, #2 Arthur Brown. See how they have helped us here in 2015? Please!

[The Mom Gene]

I hadn't realized we passed on diggs. Oh man! I would say it makes sense to pass on him because of all the injuries, but we took perriman in the first who also has an injury history

 

Perriman never had an injury history...

 

http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/injury-predictor/player/28414

 

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[sami]

I would bet my Ed Reed Jersey that if we got the very first pick, Ozzie would trade down for more picks.

[sami]

all those ankle injuries are more than likely due to a lousy field. Were just lucky Tucker didn't break his leg on that stupid field.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

That's the problem we don't have those 3 or 4 impact players from the draft. Jimmy Smith is the only one left from the 2011draft. It continues on with 2012, 2013 drafts also. Really Matt Elam as our #1, #2 Arthur Brown. See how they have helped us here in 2015? Please!

 

 

Outside of Osemele,the 2012 draft was ugly,but why are you only looking at the top two picks from 2013?We have a starting RT who played outstanding last year and is playing well now considering the injury he suffered late last year and the surgery he had in the offseason and we also have a stud DT tearing it up against the run.Both of those guys came from that draft.We also found Juice in that draft.

Edited October 22, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[callahan09]

I don't want the #1 pick. I would HATE for us to have the #1 pick. I want us to win every game we possibly can. I want us to go 11-5 and make the playoffs. Barring that, I'd be happy with 10-6, or 9-7. I'd even be OK with 8-8. I'd be disappointed with 7-9, but I'd sure take that before I'd take 6-10, and I'd rather win 6 games than 5, or 4, or 3, or 2, or 1. I'd rather win 3 games than 2 even if it meant dropping a few draft positions. I just want wins. As many as possible.

[757RavensFan]

Ozzie really needs to reconsider drafting from these small schools. Ever since he got lucky with Webb, he's gone back to the small school well again and again. I know it's not all on Ozzie, that we have a whole team of scouts, but Oz has to put his foot down. If we get a high draft pick, then be safe. Don't take chances, at least not until the latter rounds. Needs are: CB, OLB, WR, FS. For most of those positions, we need multiple picks. We might want to get a WR through FA, considering on draft history (we might need two depending on how Perriman turns out). But CB and OLB need multiple picks, and we need a playmaking FS with range. This will be one draft Ozzie can't afford to get wrong.

 

 

Brandon Williams went to a small school.  I wouldn't trade him for any interior D-lineman at this point. 

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

I don't want the #1 pick. I would HATE for us to have the #1 pick. I want us to win every game we possibly can. I want us to go 11-5 and make the playoffs. Barring that, I'd be happy with 10-6, or 9-7. I'd even be OK with 8-8. I'd be disappointed with 7-9, but I'd sure take that before I'd take 6-10, and I'd rather win 6 games than 5, or 4, or 3, or 2, or 1. I'd rather win 3 games than 2 even if it meant dropping a few draft positions. I just want wins. As many as possible.

 

So you'd rather us go 6-10 and miss both the playoffs and the opportunity to draft the best player in the draft just so we can have a few cheap wins this year?It's time for us to start practicing delayed gratification.The NFL is a war and if we have to sacrifice a few battles to win the war at the end of another season than so be it.

Edited October 22, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[757RavensFan]

I would bet my Ed Reed Jersey that if we got the very first pick, Ozzie would trade down for more picks.

 

I don't know, I think he's projected to have 12 picks in May.  

[rmcjacket23]

I don't know, I think he's projected to have 12 picks in May.  

Once you get to like the 3rd and 4th rounds, its a crap shoot. We've likely only got one pick in each of the first three rounds, with MAYBE a comp pick in the 3rd.

 

If we were to get 1st overall, unless there's REALLY somebody we like, trading back makes plenty of sense. You can get a kings ransom for a team even moving from the top 10 to 1, particularly if a quality QB candidate emerges.

 

We aren't getting the 1st pick anyway, and I suspect we won't pick until around 5-8.

[callahan09]

So you'd rather us go 6-10 and miss both the playoffs and the opportunity to draft the best player in the draft just so we can have a few cheap wins this year?It's time for us to start practicing delayed gratification.The NFL is a war and if we have to sacrifice a few battles to win the war at the end of another season than so be it.

I get your point and I can see where you're coming from, but for me, the whole enjoyment I get out of watching is watching them win.  Every single time I turn on the TV to watch this team play, I'll take a win and I'll like it!  That's all I'm saying.  And I really don't think that the difference in draft position that we get by losing more games is going to have that much of an impact on how well we do next year.  This team will either be healthy and be well coached and win lots of games... or we won't be healthy or we'll have a lot of coaching issues, and we won't get much better than we are this year.  I think either way we'll do a fine enough job with the draft to replenish the team and fill holes, whether we earn the #1 or the #32 pick.  We built a good team for many years always picking low, and we can field a competitive team with a low pick, we just need to not get hit hard by the injury bug and make sure the coaches put the team in position to succeed.

[The Greek]

Chances are above par that we get the 1st draft pick......Looking at the schedule i don't see us winning another game this year...and Pitta should be given the chance to play for a contender just like SSS so we should explore that option for a future draft pick(joe should be shopped also) rather have him get banged up for a 1-15 team.....

are you sure you are a ravens fan? you are one negative person on this site 

[balfan23]

So you'd rather us go 6-10 and miss both the playoffs and the opportunity to draft the best player in the draft just so we can have a few cheap wins this year?It's time for us to start practicing delayed gratification.The NFL is a war and if we have to sacrifice a few battles to win the war at the end of another season than so be it.

Yes, I would. So I agree with callahan09 and here's why: 

 

The wins we would get wouldn't be "cheap" wins. They would be wins that prove to our young players that they can approach this game with some confidence. It would prove to our organization that we indeed have more than a core of a few players that we can build on, but that we have other starter-worthy players that can be counted on going forward. 

 

If we go 3-13 and get the #1 pick, it will likely indicate that so many of our current young players can't play in this league and that will mean we have a ton of holes to fill.

 

I'd rather have a lower pick and only a few holes to fill, than have a top pick with a dozen or so holes to fill. The former gives us a better chance of this being a 1 year bump in the road vs. a longer term down trend. 

[jravens13]

We see ourselves as closer to turning the corner than bottoming out??? How would one see this after the performances on offense and defense the last 6 weeks? We are regressing every week and playing CB Roulette without a decent pass rush. Making bad QB's look like pro bowlers. Our offense has ZERO sense of urgency and waits until the 2nd half to play catch-up. I have seen some good special teams outings from Ross, Koch, and the coverage units, but that is the only improvement in my eyes. This team will lose @AZ, SD, STL, @CLE, SEA, PITT, and @CINCY. IMO our winnable games are the Jags at home, @MIA, and Chiefs at home. I would call those games 50/50.

Edited October 22, 2015 by jravens13

[balfan23]

We see ourselves as closer to turning the corner than bottoming out??? How would one see this after the performances on offense and defense the last 6 weeks? We are regressing every week and playing CB Roulette without a decent pass rush. Making bad QB's look like pro bowlers. Our offense has ZERO sense of urgency and waits until the 2nd half to play catch-up. I have seen some good special teams outings from Ross, Koch, and the coverage units, but that is the only improvement in my eyes. This team will lose @AZ, SD, STL, @CLE, SEA, PITT, and @CINCY. IMO our winnable games are the Jags at home, @MIA, and Chiefs at home. I would call those games 50/50.

Would it not be better to see some of our young players like Z, Jernigan, Davis, Hill ... even guys we know are keepers like Mosely and Williams - to grow, improve and start winning games ... rather than have them continue to struggle ... just so we can get a high pick? 

[EliteRavens]

I'm pretty sure all of RavensNation knew that Stefon Diggs was going to be a steal. He would have helped this team tremendously on offense.

[Drew P]

I would bet my Ed Reed Jersey that if we got the very first pick, Ozzie would trade down for more picks.

 

There isn't any clear cut #1 guy worth coughing up an insane amount of picks to get to that spot.

[CodeSpyder]

I would agree with the trading down unless there was a spectacular player available who wasn't a quarterback. But that probably won't be the case, as QB's are the stars of the league. So, we'd trade down.

[RavensReck27]

I listened to former Ravens player personnel head Phil Savage on the radio talking about the Ravens draft and he said something that made me wonder. He pointed out that when he was here through coaches Marchibroda and Billick, the coaches had little or no input into personnel decisions regarding the draft. Ozzie and his player personnel and scouts assembled the team and then the coaches coached. Now he said, Harbaugh has a lot of input, wants to know how players will be on special teams if they are drafted and basically is heavily involved in the drafting and free agent processes now. Harbaugh came in 2008. His first draft that he had a lot of input into was 2009. You know what I am going to say next. The Ravens have had only one pro bowl draft pick from 2009 to present, the entire time Harbaugh has been here and that has been 7 years. Prior to Harbaugh, the Ravens averaged one pro bowl pick every two years and never went more than 3 years without one. We have now gone 8 with only one. I think it is time for Bisciotti to step in, like he said he would do if we continued to fail, and delineate responsibilities again and lets have our coaches concentrate on coaching especially when we have time management issues, time out issues, play issues, talent evaluation issues, etc... Lets get back to coaches coaching and personnel people making personnel decisions and see if it makes a difference. The Ravens are high on analytics and data and that data tells me it is time for Bisciotti to make a change and for Ozzie to take back control of ALL personnel decisions.

One fact that you overlooked was draft positioning.  Other than the Steve McNair magic season, Billick had a lot of bad seasons after his Super Bowl win. We were drafting fairly high in the 2000's decade. When Harbaugh came around, we have been in the AFC championship or higher in almost every season.  We were drafting at the bottom of each round for basically the past 7 years. A lot of the "Elite" talent is gone by the time we picked.  The lowest we picked under a Harbaugh season was 17th, and we got Mosley. Personally, I love our last 2 draft classes and can't wait for them to grow.  Maybe having a top 10 pick this year is exactly what the doctor ordered for us. Just keep that in mind.

[Crusader]

I'm pretty sure all of RavensNation knew that Stefon Diggs was going to be a steal. He would have helped this team tremendously on offense.

Anyone but Perriman

[Mad Scientist Too]

I listened to former Ravens player personnel head Phil Savage on the radio talking about the Ravens draft and he said something that made me wonder. He pointed out that when he was here through coaches Marchibroda and Billick, the coaches had little or no input into personnel decisions regarding the draft. Ozzie and his player personnel and scouts assembled the team and then the coaches coached. Now he said, Harbaugh has a lot of input, wants to know how players will be on special teams if they are drafted and basically is heavily involved in the drafting and free agent processes now. Harbaugh came in 2008. His first draft that he had a lot of input into was 2009. You know what I am going to say next. The Ravens have had only one pro bowl draft pick from 2009 to present, the entire time Harbaugh has been here and that has been 7 years. Prior to Harbaugh, the Ravens averaged one pro bowl pick every two years and never went more than 3 years without one. We have now gone 8 with only one. I think it is time for Bisciotti to step in, like he said he would do if we continued to fail, and delineate responsibilities again and lets have our coaches concentrate on coaching especially when we have time management issues, time out issues, play issues, talent evaluation issues, etc... Lets get back to coaches coaching and personnel people making personnel decisions and see if it makes a difference. The Ravens are high on analytics and data and that data tells me it is time for Bisciotti to make a change and for Ozzie to take back control of ALL personnel decisions.

 If you follow that logic then Eric DeCosta  has been given more  and more influence in the draft over the same time period. are you going to take DeCosta out of it as well?

[riseNConquer81]

“It’s clear their last five draft classes haven’t produced enough playmakers,” wrote Brown. “[W]here’s the youth, with Smith planning to retire, and Forsett already 30 years old?”

Baltimore’s top division rivals have stockpiled young, explosive talent on offense through their drafts.

yelling at a brick wall.

no matter what happens: to these people, everything is Flacco's fault.

[riseNConquer81]

"[W]here’s the youth, with Smith planning to retire, and Forsett already 30 years old? " - Clifton Brown

 

One guy got himself kicked out of the league and the other is in SF because we decided not to pay him.Anyone who questions Ozzie's draft record in the last five years is an idiot.I may not agree with him on draft day because he always drafts defensive players with the top picks,but we usually walk away from the draft with three or four guys who are impact players.Our biggest problem has been us not holding onto guys in FA and injuries halting the promising careers of Pitta and Webb.

you missed the point.

you take two guys out of Pittsburgh or Cincinatti, and they're still fine.

we havent drafted ENOUGH play makers...they didnt say zero.

[Flamengo1265]

Asa Jackson is already injured?

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Chances are 100% if PEES is still our DC!

[Dfrm410]

Only wins I want are Cardinals, Seahawks, and Cincinnati

[Dfrm410]

Ozzie aint that bad at drafting trust me, the browns pick in top 10 every year and still suck lol

[Purple&Black]

Since we talking draft; Ramsey, vh3, or nkemdiche would make me very excited