The Joey Bosa thread

[52520Andrew]

No Bosa gifs today

[Cillmatic]

I still feel that if we end up in the top 10 (hell, even the top half) we have a better shout at Ramsey or Boyd than people think.

Hahaha, I really doubt that, Ramsey gone after the 6th pick.

[JoeyFlex5]

I still feel that if we end up in the top 10 (hell, even the top half) we have a better shout at Ramsey or Boyd than people think.

boyd isnt a top 10 talent, neither of the wr's are. outside of the top 5, we need to be eye'ing ramsey, hargreaves, if neither are available then we need to shop around a trade back for connor cook, if we can trade back into the 10-12 range we still have a solid shot at getting treadwell, boyd, or floyd, which is a better value than any of the other options that are likely to be available between 5-10

[Sizzlebshu]

We got him locked up now boys!!!

[Inqui]

No Bosa gifs today

If we beat the Jags it'll be a long time between drinks for the gifs. I hate how this season has made winning so double-edged.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

Still think there's a shot! Gotta hold out hope. As terrible as the Lions O-Line has been I think they'd be foolish to pass on one of the LTs. I don't think it's crazy that the browns, chargers, bears, cowgirls, chargers, or even 49ers grab a QB

[jboy19]

My Thoughts on Bosa: 

 

Strengths: 

Strong at the point of attack. 

Anchors well against the run. 

Wins with power moves, but also throws in swim/spin moves.

Gains good pressure by getting inside. 

Versatile enough to play a couple different positions along the line, best fit as a stronside end in a 4-3 or a 5-Technique in a 3-4 if he can add about 15-20 pounds of muscle. 

High motor player, who is a leader on a competitive team. 

 

Weaknesses: 

Not a fit as a 3-4 OLB

Lacks speed to play on the weak-side where he would have to chase down plays. 

Lacks the athleticism to drop into coverage.

 

Comparison:

Michael Bennett, DE, Seahawks: Like Bennett, Bosa wins predominantly with power but has a good arsenal of pass rush moves. Bosa would most likely thrive in a system that would allow him to line up in a couple different gaps. Bosa might be a bit more lean than Bennett, but at this point their style of play lines up pretty well. 

[JoeyFlex5]

im just wondering where this idea comes from that bosa couldnt play OLB for us? he is 15 lbs heavier than suggs and extremely agile and explosive for a man his size, plays violently, and has excellent technique, not to mention he has plenty of room to lose weight if needed and he has all the moves and athleticism, and certainly the football IQ to pick up the position. 

 

if you think joey bosa is a pure DE you are absolutely kidding yourself. obviously any player can become pigeonholed, but he is so good and such a natural football player that you simply cant assume he is unfit to play OLB until he actually lines up at OLB and fails, which he likely wont be doing, the kid can ball and would single handedly bring a culture of defense back to baltimore if he takes the reins as the next ravens OLB

[jboy19]

im just wondering where this idea comes from that bosa couldnt play OLB for us? he is 15 lbs heavier than suggs and extremely agile and explosive for a man his size, plays violently, and has excellent technique, not to mention he has plenty of room to lose weight if needed and he has all the moves and athleticism, and certainly the football IQ to pick up the position. 

 

if you think joey bosa is a pure DE you are absolutely kidding yourself. obviously any player can become pigeonholed, but he is so good and such a natural football player that you simply cant assume he is unfit to play OLB until he actually lines up at OLB and fails, which he likely wont be doing, the kid can ball and would single handedly bring a culture of defense back to baltimore if he takes the reins as the next ravens OLB

 

I've watched the Penn State, Rutgers, and Indiana tape of him (all 2015 games) and I just have not seen a lot of agility from him, almost all of the sacks he has gotten this year have been either through the A gap or the B gap. I'll admit 3 games might not be enough to get a full picture, but it is enough to point out a trend like that. He drops into coverage occasionally for OSU, but when he does he seems big and slow. I'll obviously keep my eyes on him because he will make an impact in the league, but I think spending a top 10 pick on him when he does not really fit the scheme is risky. I would not be mad if the Ravens drafted him by any means because we have good history with similar players that were interior defenders that transitioned to edge defenders (I'm thinking of Pernell McPhee and Jarrett Johnson), but he would not make as great of an initial impact as he would as a strong side end on a team like the Jaguars or Buccaneers where he would only have to focus on doing the things he already does well. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I've watched the Penn State, Rutgers, and Indiana tape of him (all 2015 games) and I just have not seen a lot of agility from him, almost all of the sacks he has gotten this year have been either through the A gap or the B gap. I'll admit 3 games might not be enough to get a full picture, but it is enough to point out a trend like that. He drops into coverage occasionally for OSU, but when he does he seems big and slow. I'll obviously keep my eyes on him because he will make an impact in the league, but I think spending a top 10 pick on him when he does not really fit the scheme is risky. I would not be mad if the Ravens drafted him by any means because we have good history with similar players that were interior defenders that transitioned to edge defenders (I'm thinking of Pernell McPhee and Jarrett Johnson), but he would not make as great of an initial impact as he would as a strong side end on a team like the Jaguars or Buccaneers where he would only have to focus on doing the things he already does well. 

he has been a career pass rusher and hasnt even began dropping into coverage until this year, he does have the agility though, the problem is that he is purposely built like a 4-3DE so he is carrying quite a bit of weight, and still moves well, the way he stacks and sheds and pursues and absolutely blows through blockers in all situations, makes me very confident he would excel as an OLB for us, let him lose 10 lbs and the pass coverage will come with time, he has the iq for it, but lets be real, dropping a guy like bosa into coverage is just kinda for the sake of surprise, you dont want him doing that too often because that just takes his pass rush out of the play.

[jboy19]

he has been a career pass rusher and hasnt even began dropping into coverage until this year, he does have the agility though, the problem is that he is purposely built like a 4-3DE so he is carrying quite a bit of weight, and still moves well, the way he stacks and sheds and pursues and absolutely blows through blockers in all situations, makes me very confident he would excel as an OLB for us, let him lose 10 lbs and the pass coverage will come with time, he has the iq for it, but lets be real, dropping a guy like bosa into coverage is just kinda for the sake of surprise, you dont want him doing that too often because that just takes his pass rush out of the play.

 

The problem is that though he is a good football player, he hasn't shown consistently he can hold the edge. He is more of an interior penetrator than an edge rusher. You keep saying how explosive he is and how he pursues the runners in all situations and blows through blockers in all situations. I have not seen that on any of the tape. I have yet to see tape of Joey Bosa chasing down runners or getting around the edge fast enough to bring down mobile quarterbacks, and that is not a knock on him, he's just not that kind of player. He is a great player, but he isn't a Jadeveon Clowney edge defender drawing multiple blockers every play. I am not even alone in thinking this. Notice how every Bosa comparison is to a player that played in a 3-5, and was not overly successful-Jared Allen (Bears switched to a 3-4, traded Allen to the Panthers even though they had him cheap), Mario Williams (Texas switched to a 3-4, Williams was out of place and left in FA to go to the Bills), Chris Long (was a 3-4 5-technique in college, had to shed weight to play strongside end in St. Louis).

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Since the Bye week is litearlly the only undefeated team in the history of the NFL

[Cillmatic]

Did Bosa do anything of note last night?

[52520Andrew]

Bosa gifs?

[Inqui]

 

 

And at this rate with Detroit and Chicago winning, we may well end up making a choice over him.

[Inqui]

[waits for Cillmatic to complain about Bosa]

[Cillmatic]

[waits for Cillmatic to complain about Bosa]

Honestly. I'm starting to think we need him more than Ramsey... Really hurt saying that. Our pass rush is dead. I LOVE Ramsey but I think it's for the best that we take Bosa. Edited November 15, 2015 by Cillmatic

[JoeyFlex5]

MORE BOSA!

[BmoreBird22]

boyd isnt a top 10 talent, neither of the wr's are. outside of the top 5, we need to be eye'ing ramsey, hargreaves, if neither are available then we need to shop around a trade back for connor cook, if we can trade back into the 10-12 range we still have a solid shot at getting treadwell, boyd, or floyd, which is a better value than any of the other options that are likely to be available between 5-10

I'm about two weeks late for this, but if you mean to say that trading back to 10-12 and taking Leonard Floyd is a good idea, then I'd really be contemplating the group of people who say the Ravens haven't drafted all that well recently

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm about two weeks late for this, but if you mean to say that trading back to 10-12 and taking Leonard Floyd is a good idea, then I'd really be contemplating the group of people who say the Ravens haven't drafted all that well recently

ive soured greatly on floyd. i liked him alot before the season, and my interest was slowly fading, and in the past couple of weeks ive just decided there is absolutely no place for him on this team.

[Wildabeast88]

I've watched the Penn State, Rutgers, and Indiana tape of him (all 2015 games) and I just have not seen a lot of agility from him, almost all of the sacks he has gotten this year have been either through the A gap or the B gap. I'll admit 3 games might not be enough to get a full picture, but it is enough to point out a trend like that. He drops into coverage occasionally for OSU, but when he does he seems big and slow. I'll obviously keep my eyes on him because he will make an impact in the league, but I think spending a top 10 pick on him when he does not really fit the scheme is risky. I would not be mad if the Ravens drafted him by any means because we have good history with similar players that were interior defenders that transitioned to edge defenders (I'm thinking of Pernell McPhee and Jarrett Johnson), but he would not make as great of an initial impact as he would as a strong side end on a team like the Jaguars or Buccaneers where he would only have to focus on doing the things he already does well.

as an Ohio St fan Bosa gets a ton of attention double teams look at some tape from last year next to Michael Bennett he was an absolute monster. He has been good just not as much on the stat sheet as far as sacks go but old rusher good edge setter I would love to have him in Baltimore

[Kid87]

Will doom still come off the edge?

[jboy19]

Will doom still come off the edge?

 

I see Bosa, if we draft him playing OLB in the base set or 5 technique. Then bumping in on longer passing downs. So I would see alignments like this if we drafted him: 

 

Suggs-Bosa-Williams-Jernigan-Dumervil  or Suggs-Urban-Williams-Jernigan-Bosa. Depending on how we feel about Urban after this year. I could also see a 4 man front like: 

 

Suggs-Bosa-Jernigan-Dumervil.

 

A 3 man dime rush would likely bump Suggs or Dumervil off the field if we drafted Bosa:

 

Suggs-Jernigan-Bosa

 

Either way this still helps Dumervil, he was always better coming in fresh for a pass rush.  

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I see Bosa, if we draft him playing OLB in the base set or 5 technique. Then bumping in on longer passing downs. So I would see alignments like this if we drafted him: 

 

Suggs-Bosa-Williams-Jernigan-Dumervil  or Suggs-Urban-Williams-Jernigan-Bosa. Depending on how we feel about Urban after this year. I could also see a 4 man front like: 

 

Suggs-Bosa-Jernigan-Dumervil.

 

A 3 man dime rush would likely bump Suggs or Dumervil off the field if we drafted Bosa:

 

Suggs-Jernigan-Bosa

 

Either way this still helps Dumervil, he was always better coming in fresh for a pass rush.  

 

I think it turns more into a rotation between Suggs, Doom, and Bosa where Bosa stays on the field the majority of the time. Possibly making Dumerville tradable if the offer is sweet enough

[jboy19]

I think it turns more into a rotation between Suggs, Doom, and Bosa where Bosa stays on the field the majority of the time. Possibly making Dumerville tradable if the offer is sweet enough

 

I don't really think that we could get a good offer for Dumervil. I'd keep him around because I think him and Bosa do different things. Bosa thrives more if you move him around the line, but Dumervil is a speed rusher off the edge. If we draft Bosa, I still see us picking up a speed rusher in the other rounds. 

[Jamal]

I think it turns more into a rotation between Suggs, Doom, and Bosa where Bosa stays on the field the majority of the time. Possibly making Dumerville tradable if the offer is sweet enough

I wouldn't trade him. You can never have too many pass-rushers and he's an excellent one. Not to mention he's great insurance for Suggs.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I wouldn't trade him. You can never have too many pass-rushers and he's an excellent one. Not to mention he's great insurance for Suggs.

 

I think it makes him more expendable if the price is right. I don't think we should trade down, but of course if the price is right

[arnie_uk]

I think it makes him more expendable if the price is right. I don't think we should trade down, but of course if the price is right

suggs coming off a second achilles tear and you want to trade doom.... ok

[ravefan52]

If we get Bosa our front 7 seven would be pretty stacked with talented. We'd have a really nice mix of veteran experience and young guys there.

[PurpleCity5]

I would personally go with one of the tackles, Stanley or Tunsil, but I just don't see us passing on Bosa.