The Joey Bosa thread

[JoeyFlex5]

That's exactly what the media is doing(Comparing them as prospects). it's all hype. as prospects I had top 5 grades on J.J watt and aaron donald. Nkemdiche is a solid DT prospect who has very good athletiscim so do bosa. But they aren't worthy of being top 5 picks right now. The college season isn't even over, I do not like prospects who get wayyyy overhyped (See clowney,Daquan bowers,adrian clayborn,Aaron maybin,vernon gholston,courtney upshaw etc etc.) I prefer prospects with good technique and no charecter concerns (See Donald,J.J watt,Dante Fowler,Khalil mack.) All underrated prospects who were seen inferior to other prospects. (Fowler and Mack may have been top 5 picks but the consenus was WIlliams,Clowney were better) Jurys out on williams vs. Fowler but mack vs. clowney debate is over 

because clowney was pumped up to be the next great edge defender and everyone in their right mind knew that wasnt gonna happen, and it wasnt consensus in the media to say clowney was better than mack, A LOT of people had thought higher of mack than clowney at the time. mack was a complete player, a true OLB with no flaws, clowney was big and athletic and had a 4th quarter forced fumble blow his hype out of the water, his football iq was average at best and his motor was nonexistent, he didnt just take plays off for the sake of his health, he practically took the year off. Bosa is big and athletic also, but to say he doesnt fall in the "good technique" category is just atrocious scouting, his handwork may be the best i have ever seen from a college player, for his size he has unbelievably quick feet, his awareness is through the roof, he is physically dominant in the run and pass rush, he makes lightwork of 1v1 matchups and handles chips and double teams with ease, he has a great nose for the ball being able to easily sniff out the run and make his own path to the ballcarrier, and his football iq is very apparent, not to mention he has shown an unbelievable motor and passion for the game, and he knows the deal this year, he is working on other aspects of his game and being more careful, while clowney just straight up stopped trying, its a noticeable difference between the two. if you dont think nkemdiche and bosa are worthy of top 5 picks then id love to see your top 5...

[Cillmatic]

How is that laughable? They both play 4-3 DE have some charecter concerns (Plays off, Suspension for Bosa) though clowney's were way overblown I think it's very fair to compare them as prospects given neither will live up to the hype. Clowney sure as hell hasn't and never will

Clowney was a LEGEND in college. Bosa is not on that level.

[Sami84]

Clowney was a LEGEND in college. Bosa is not on that level.

 

looking at the stats..bosa's looks more impressive

 

clowney never had the overall game bosa has. Clowney had horrible hand and leverage techinque which is boss's strength. you really don't know much do you?

[Xmadraven]

because clowney was pumped up to be the next great edge defender and everyone in their right mind knew that wasnt gonna happen, and it wasnt consensus in the media to say clowney was better than mack, A LOT of people had thought higher of mack than clowney at the time. mack was a complete player, a true OLB with no flaws, clowney was big and athletic and had a 4th quarter forced fumble blow his hype out of the water, his football iq was average at best and his motor was nonexistent, he didnt just take plays off for the sake of his health, he practically took the year off. Bosa is big and athletic also, but to say he doesnt fall in the "good technique" category is just atrocious scouting, his handwork may be the best i have ever seen from a college player, for his size he has unbelievably quick feet, his awareness is through the roof, he is physically dominant in the run and pass rush, he makes lightwork of 1v1 matchups and handles chips and double teams with ease, he has a great nose for the ball being able to easily sniff out the run and make his own path to the ballcarrier, and his football iq is very apparent, not to mention he has shown an unbelievable motor and passion for the game, and he knows the deal this year, he is working on other aspects of his game and being more careful, while clowney just straight up stopped trying, its a noticeable difference between the two. if you dont think nkemdiche and bosa are worthy of top 5 picks then id love to see your top 5...

Im not gonna even argue cause there isn't a point. I'll give you bosa cause I'm probaly just not seeing the hype. I said he didn't have amazing technique he has solid technique but NFL ready? No.  Clowney was viewed as the consensus no.1 pick by almost every major news outlet so lol there. My top 5 right now.

 

1. Laremy Tunsil (Barring the off field issue which I wont knock him down for cause idk who's at fault and who's not)

 

2. vernon hargreaves (He's just an amazing corner)

3. Jalen Ramsey (Need I say more?)

4. Jaylon smith (Stud ILB)

5. Jarod goff (Goff will be ranked this high because QBs tend to go up  bcuz need and bad teams need QBsI think goff is a 5-10 player and this is his ceiling right now) 

 

Remember that's a players board ranking not where  i think they will go  I have bosa at 7. (behind connor cook) and Nkemdiche at 13.

[Xmadraven]

Clowney was a LEGEND in college. Bosa is not on that level.

CLOWNEY WAS OVERRATED as hell. Was he a good prospect? sure. Was he overhyped beyond imagination? hell yes. I saw clowney as a top 5 player in that class (No.4 overall) behind Mack,Bridgewater,Donald. (I had bridgewater very high because I loved his game and personality)  Clowney was double and triple teamed to an insane degree in college so the stats dont tell the whole story. Bosa and clowney are about even since the jury is still out on bosa. Top 7 players who get overhyped and will probaly be miscast as 3-4 OLBs (Though clowney has been a good run defender in the 3-4)

[52520Andrew]

Clowney was a LEGEND in college. Bosa is not on that level.

Clowney was an athletic freak but what did he do in college besides that big hit? Have 13 sacks 1 year?

[Sami84]

for me its so clear. Bosa is miles better than clowney. Bosa has amazing leverage..he's smart..destroys screens

 

he's an ALL ROUND player

 

He's 6'6 and agile

 

the guy is a beast..

 

he is the best player in this draft. 

 

Hargreaves is a very safe pick..

Ramsey too.

 

but Bosa is the best player in this draft.

[Cillmatic]

Gotta admit, Bosa looked like a boss against Hawaii. I'm at the point where I don't care who we draft #1. Bosa, Ramsey, Hargreaves, Stanley, Treadwell. They're all good players we really need. As long as we draft one of those guys I'll be satisfied. We'll still have HUGE holes after either way if we can't make any moves in free agency.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm convinced we're taking Bosa if he's there. I've done some thinking and there's no way we pass on him. After Steve's comments this last draft about wanting a pass rusher and our evident desire to trade up to get Mack in 2014, there's no way we take anyone but Bosa.

I know he doesn't run things like other owners, but he's still the owner and he'll get what he wants especially after how we've struggled to apply pressure after losing Suggs..

Edited October 28, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Dubs]

I'm convinced we're taking Bosa if he's there. I've done some thinking and there's no way we pass on him. After Steve's comments this last draft about wanting a pass rusher and our evident desire to trade up to get Mack in 2014, there's no way we take anyone but Bosa.

I know he doesn't run things like other owners, but he's still the owner and he'll get what he wants especially after how we've struggled to apply pressure after losing Suggs..

 

 

As of right now I would agree. There is no one I can see our FO picking ahead of Bosa. I am completely ok with that and the only guy I would take if we were no.1 ahead of him (and I am undecided on this) is Ronnie Stanley...I am really enamoured though with Bosa's hand use, leverage, ability in both the run and pass game, and his motor. I cannot think of a ton of defenders coming out of college who are so well rounded as a pass rusher and run defender. As you stated Suggs injury, as well as his age and Dumervils age it is hard to pass up a talent like Bosa. I hoping we get him

[Baltimore RAYvens]

Outside of Cillmatic, I don't think anyone could complain if we took Bosa with our pick. HOWEVER, I think we get much better value talent wise if we slide back a few slots. I think the value is better for grabbing a Ramsey/Nassib+2nd pick, then it would be for a Bosa/Fuller combo. 

 

Bosa is a beast, but I don't think he's as far ahead of the rest of the rushers as Ramsey is ahead of the other safties

[GrimCoconut]

Outside of Cillmatic, I don't think anyone could complain if we took Bosa with our pick. HOWEVER, I think we get much better value talent wise if we slide back a few slots. I think the value is better for grabbing a Ramsey/Nassib+2nd pick, then it would be for a Bosa/Fuller combo.

Bosa is a beast, but I don't think he's as far ahead of the rest of the rushers as Ramsey is ahead of the other safties

We could get Bosa (pass rusher) in the first and Vonn Bell (FS) in the second without trading back.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

We could get Bosa (pass rusher) in the first and Vonn Bell (FS) in the second without trading back.

 

That would be filling needs, and you can do that regardless of location, but I think talent wise, the value is greater by moving back 

[RavensFanMania]

That would be filling needs, and you can do that regardless of location, but I think talent wise, the value is greater by moving back 

I would agree, sliding back and acquiring an additional 2nd round pick would be a very nice acquisition and allow us improve both offense and defense.  Not saying we couldn't do that with just two picks, but having three picks in the first two rounds is better.

[Sami84]

I would agree, sliding back and acquiring an additional 2nd round pick would be a very nice acquisition and allow us improve both offense and defense.  Not saying we couldn't do that with just two picks, but having three picks in the first two rounds is better.

 

we have had tonnes of picks in the past..we haven't had more success with MORE picks

 

just pick the right player.

 

stop playing cute..

[RavensFanMania]

we have had tonnes of picks in the past..we haven't had more success with MORE picks

 

just pick the right player.

 

stop playing cute..

It's obviously not a perfect science, but even the top pick busts.  The more top picks you have the more chances of getting talent, as long as you don't trade too far back you should be able to acquire elite talent in the first, top talent in the 2nd and later in the 2nd get a pretty good talent as well. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Im not gonna even argue cause there isn't a point. I'll give you bosa cause I'm probaly just not seeing the hype. I said he didn't have amazing technique he has solid technique but NFL ready? No.  Clowney was viewed as the consensus no.1 pick by almost every major news outlet so lol there. My top 5 right now.

 

1. Laremy Tunsil (Barring the off field issue which I wont knock him down for cause idk who's at fault and who's not)

 

2. vernon hargreaves (He's just an amazing corner)

3. Jalen Ramsey (Need I say more?)

4. Jaylon smith (Stud ILB)

5. Jarod goff (Goff will be ranked this high because QBs tend to go up  bcuz need and bad teams need QBsI think goff is a 5-10 player and this is his ceiling right now) 

 

Remember that's a players board ranking not where  i think they will go  I have bosa at 7. (behind connor cook) and Nkemdiche at 13.

that board is atrocious, and after seeing this i just cant argue with you anymore. im relieved that you have zero say in what our FO does and ill just leave it at that.

[GrimCoconut]

That would be filling needs, and you can do that regardless of location, but I think talent wise, the value is greater by moving back

How's that? I like Ramsey and Nassib a lot but I'm not married to them. As much as I like both, Bosa is a very good prospect and is widely considered the best at his position and arguably the best defender in this class. How's that taking a need?

I assume you mean Bell, but I'm not sure I agree there. Just because nobody talks about him doesn't mean he's not good. Vonn Bell has done well this year. He had 6 interceptions last year. He's a good player.

I'm not sure how this is drafting for need. I'm more than happy to get more picks, but I'm not sure I like the idea of getting cute and missing out on someone. In that regard I have to agree with Sami because sometimes trading back doesn't work out. Also, I'm not sure Steve will even agree. If you recall, the front office wanted to wait to get Joe but Steve just said get him and not risk it. Do you think Steve will go for this when he has a business to run here and knows the people want a pass rusher and they have a chance at getting what may be a very special talent?

[JoeyFlex5]

How's that? I like Ramsey and Nassib a lot but I'm not married to them. As much as I like both, Bosa is a very good prospect and is widely considered the best at his position and arguably the best defender in this class. How's that taking a need?

I assume you mean Bell, but I'm not sure I agree there. Just because nobody talks about him doesn't mean he's not good. Vonn Bell has done well this year. He had 6 interceptions last year. He's a good player.

I'm not sure how this is drafting for need. I'm more than happy to get more picks, but I'm not sure I like the idea of getting cute and missing out on someone. In that regard I have to agree with Sami because sometimes trading back doesn't work out. Also, I'm not sure Steve will even agree. If you recall, the front office wanted to wait to get Joe but Steve just said get him and not risk it. Do you think Steve will go for this when he has a business to run here and knows the people want a pass rusher and they have a chance at getting what may be a very special talent?

while i agree with the 3rd paragraph, if were talking about a draft pick of this caliber, all this pressure to make the right move, i think steve is gonna trust ozzie, i just could not see steve changing his ways and butting in when were talking about the first top 5 pick in over a decade. too much pressure and i feel he would just have more faith in ozzie than he would have in himself.

[GrimCoconut]

while i agree with the 3rd paragraph, if were talking about a draft pick of this caliber, all this pressure to make the right move, i think steve is gonna trust ozzie, i just could not see steve changing his ways and butting in when were talking about the first top 5 pick in over a decade. too much pressure and i feel he would just have more faith in ozzie than he would have in himself.

I know that. I probably poorly made my point. I'm just saying that I think Steve will be pushing for Bosa. That's all. The owner does get what he wants, but of course he'll defer to the expert like he did in the past with Ed Reed and others.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

How's that? I like Ramsey and Nassib a lot but I'm not married to them. As much as I like both, Bosa is a very good prospect and is widely considered the best at his position and arguably the best defender in this class. How's that taking a need?

I assume you mean Bell, but I'm not sure I agree there. Just because nobody talks about him doesn't mean he's not good. Vonn Bell has done well this year. He had 6 interceptions last year. He's a good player.

I'm not sure how this is drafting for need. I'm more than happy to get more picks, but I'm not sure I like the idea of getting cute and missing out on someone. In that regard I have to agree with Sami because sometimes trading back doesn't work out. Also, I'm not sure Steve will even agree. If you recall, the front office wanted to wait to get Joe but Steve just said get him and not risk it. Do you think Steve will go for this when he has a business to run here and knows the people want a pass rusher and they have a chance at getting what may be a very special talent?

 

I'm not saying Bell isn't a good player, I think he could be good. I failed miserably and didn't make any sense that last post. I just like the idea if the opportunity presents itself to slide back. I would agree in saying Bosa is the best defender in this class, but I don't think he's so far the best that he's better than adding another early second rounder. I think the potential to get good value for the pick and pass on Bosa has the opportunity to be there. If Bosa's there and there's not anyone clamoring to trade up then by all means, take Bosa. I just think that teams will be getting anxious to move up to grab their franchise QB and be willing to offer to give up next years first + a second this year +some more, and if that's the case I think you have to at least consider it.

[PurpleCity5]

I think Bosa does make the most sense. Biscotti really wanted a pass rusher last season and if I'm not mistaken we were really banging on the table for Bud Dupree to fall to us. He was taken and we were gunning for Shane Ray, until Denver jumped ahead of us. So in that sense, its clear we wanted a pass rusher and there were none left to take until Ray was gone. I think if we are picking No.1 or if Bosa fell to us, he would def. be the pick. 

[Sami84]

I know that. I probably poorly made my point. I'm just saying that I think Steve will be pushing for Bosa. That's all. The owner does get what he wants, but of course he'll defer to the expert like he did in the past with Ed Reed and others.

 

hahahahah ed reed was not ozzies choice..he was hoping for two scrubs over him who were taken earlier.

 

ed reed was ozzies 5th choice..

 

this is well known

[Xmadraven]

that board is atrocious, and after seeing this i just cant argue with you anymore. im relieved that you have zero say in what our FO does and ill just leave it at that.

You do realize that's overall prospects right? With our needs and what not bosa goes up to 4 and jaylon smith is too rich for the top 5. (I just think he's a luke kuechley prospect) If we were picking no.1 I'd trade down or bosa. (Edge rushers trump defensive backs and bosa IS the top edge rusher) I like him but I don't love him 

[JoeyFlex5]

You do realize that's overall prospects right? With our needs and what not bosa goes up to 4 and jaylon smith is too rich for the top 5. (I just think he's a luke kuechley prospect) If we were picking no.1 I'd trade down or bosa. (Edge rushers trump defensive backs and bosa IS the top edge rusher) I like him but I don't love him 

i know. 

 

still atrocious.

[Xmadraven]

i know. 

 

still atrocious.

 

We all have opinions, I'm sure yours is just as lol worthy

[JoeyFlex5]

We all have opinions, I'm sure yours is just as lol worthy

nothing is more lolworthy than both connor cook and jared goff rated ahead of bosa, nkemdiche, and stanley. there is absolutely no coming back from that, nor is there any way to actually justify that.

[Xmadraven]

nothing is more lolworthy than both connor cook and jared goff rated ahead of bosa, nkemdiche, and stanley. there is absolutely no coming back from that, nor is there any way to actually justify that.

We all have our opinions of prospects. Stanley is 8th on my board, Bosa is 7th, Nkemdiche is top 13. I haven't watched every single game of them because I wait until after the college season to re-watch everything. I've watched both QBs so that's why they are so high. My anaysis is incomplete. Plus I'm sure your big board is worse.

[JoeyFlex5]

with a win today... i think we are gonna put ourselves lout of the bosa/stanley/tunsil/nkemdiche range. if our tailspin continued i wouldve said otherwise, but i think with a good looking win today then we may right the ship a bit for a 5-6 win season. which means we try to find glory in losing fashion and play ourselves out of a real impact player.

[Inqui]

with a win today... i think we are gonna put ourselves lout of the bosa/stanley/tunsil/nkemdiche range. if our tailspin continued i wouldve said otherwise, but i think with a good looking win today then we may right the ship a bit for a 5-6 win season. which means we try to find glory in losing fashion and play ourselves out of a real impact player.

I still feel that if we end up in the top 10 (hell, even the top half) we have a better shout at Ramsey or Boyd than people think.