The Joey Bosa thread

[Sami84]

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh lololololololololololololololololool @ u thinking we would sign aldon smith/we would even have the resources to sign him. They all get overrated but bosa is a massive overhype like clowney or insert random QB prospect

 

what are you talking about? we will have quite a bit of cap space..also I felt clowney was way overrated and doesn't have the technique or football IQ bosa has. Clowney was picked because of freakish athletic ability and that over glorified hit 

Edited October 27, 2015 by Sami84

[rmw10]

He's not a top 5 pick. Slow your role carl nassib is a solid prospect but he's not anywhere near top 5 pick. One year wonder who's played well but one year wonder pass rushers usually do not go in the top 5. first round? maybe but he's got a long way to go man. I think he's played DE what 2 season in college?

Talking about Bosa...

[Xmadraven]

Talking about Bosa...

Oh nvm then

[Xmadraven]

what are you talking about? we will have quite a bit of cap space..also I felt clowney was way overrated and doesn't have the technique or football IQ bosa has. Clowney was picked because of freakish athletic ability and that over glorified hit 

 

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/baltimore-ravens/click on 2016. We'd have some but not a lot lol. Flacco has to restructure for us to have any cap room.

[Sami84]

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/baltimore-ravens/click on 2016. We'd have some but not a lot lol. Flacco has to restructure for us to have any cap room.

 

trust me there is no way (esp after this debacle of a season) flacco is going to be making 28 mill next year lol

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not sure Nassib is as good as Bosa and I love Nassib. I just love his value compared to Bosa. Bosa has done what Nassib could do consistently with more refinement.

I haven't liked what I saw from Bosa this year but I'm convinced he's protecting himself from injury and trying to show he can do more than rush the passer. He's very athletic and he's a smart, instinctive football player who actually has some of that Suggs humor in his attitude and play. I love his shrug lol.

I actually only question his motor but that's because I've seen him take plays off this year. I'd like to see that end but he's ridiculously talented.

[rmw10]

I'm not sure Nassib is as good as Bosa and I love Nassib. I just love his value compared to Bosa. Bosa has done what Nassib could do consistently with more refinement.

I haven't liked what I saw from Bosa this year but I'm convinced he's protecting himself from injury and trying to show he can do more than rush the passer. He's very athletic and he's a smart, instinctive football player who actually has some of that Suggs humor in his attitude and play. I love his shrug lol.

I actually only question his motor but that's because I've seen him take plays off this year. I'd like to see that end but he's ridiculously talented.

I'm finding it hard to fault guys for inconsistent motors nowadays, especially after seeing someone like Bosa play with heart all last year. As you said, it's definitely not full go every play, but I'm finding it hard to criticize since we've seen what injuries can do to draft stock. I'm not a huge fan of not giving it your all, but I can understand it at least. Ito from Oregon is a prime example. He was lucky enough to get an insurance policy, but he slipped from a borderline 1st to a 7th.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm finding it hard to fault guys for inconsistent motors nowadays, especially after seeing someone like Bosa play with heart all last year. As you said, it's definitely not full go every play, but I'm finding it hard to criticize since we've seen what injuries can do to draft stock. I'm not a huge fan of not giving it your all, but I can understand it at least. Ito from Oregon is a prime example. He was lucky enough to get an insurance policy, but he slipped from a borderline 1st to a 7th.

Yeah I just hate it because some of these guys make it hard to know what the truth is. You know that I criticized Clowney for that very thing, although it's different with Bosa because I consistently saw him take plays off even when he was a sophomore. Bosa played really relentless last year with a never ending motor.

[Sami84]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/10/27/joey-bosas-dominance-is-unmatched/

[izvoodoo]

I'm finding it hard to fault guys for inconsistent motors nowadays, especially after seeing someone like Bosa play with heart all last year. As you said, it's definitely not full go every play, but I'm finding it hard to criticize since we've seen what injuries can do to draft stock. I'm not a huge fan of not giving it your all, but I can understand it at least. Ito from Oregon is a prime example. He was lucky enough to get an insurance policy, but he slipped from a borderline 1st to a 7th.

Some of it is fatigue too.  Especially for Dlinemen they might not have the cardio developed to really play a ton of snaps but they're in there anyway.  Stuff like that can be worked on.  

[JoeyFlex5]

You do realize J.J watt and donald are top 2 players at their positions right? and they went in the teens Bosa will be picked apart by the NFL scouting community and so will nkemdiche. I'm not being contrartion... J.J watt and donald were underrated prospects who were great athletes. Expecting these guys to be better than the best guys at their position is downright insane.  Will they get get pushed up by the media? Sure. And rememebr this is the MEDIA saying they'll go that high the NFL scouts view bosa as a top 10 pick but feel like top 5 is too rich. I'm not 100% sure about nkemdiche (God Im gonna hate that name if he gets drafted in the AFC) and what the NFL scouts say on him but he is not a better prospect than donald. Suh+McCoy were very good prospects helped by a crappy draft class to float towards the top. not to mention the teams dire need for the DT position. Bosa has a shot at the top 5 because of need and stupid teams pick that high (Except the ravens ofc) 

are you seriously still not understanding this? its easy to say that a college player isnt currently as good as the top player in the NFL, however, as PROSPECTS, note the word PROSPECTS, meaning a college player entering the draft(seriously, note the word prospect, because you have failed to, multiple times) bosa and nkemdiche look superior than what jj watt and donald looked like as prospects. its not media hype, its you comparing a professional player to a college player, rather than comparing them as prospects. level the field, stop comparing a 4 year vet to a college player as if thats a fair measurement, you compare jj watt, the 11th overall pick, as a prospect, to bosa, a possible first overall pick, also a prospect, you dont compare the DPOY and top nfl player to a prospect, you just cannot logically do that in any way. how can i further explain this to you so that you can understand it?

[JoeyFlex5]

what are you talking about? we will have quite a bit of cap space..also I felt clowney was way overrated and doesn't have the technique or football IQ bosa has. Clowney was picked because of freakish athletic ability and that over glorified hit 

comparing bosa to clowney is absolutely laughable.

[Cillmatic]

Yet again you avoid giving a reason...

Explosion, variety of pass rush moves, brute strength, great hand usage, bends and uses leverage well, able to take on multiple blockers and still make it a positive play, etc.

He's rarely double teamed, inconstant power, not many moves

[rmw10]

He's rarely double teamed, inconstant power, not many moves

And now I'm convinced you haven't watched him you don't think he regularly takes on multiple blockers.

[Cillmatic]

And now I'm convinced you haven't watched him you don't think he regularly takes on multiple blockers.

He gets chipped by the RB, I don't see the RG help the RT in blocking him much. I just don't see the elite, top in the league player in the guy, call me jaded. Edited October 27, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Sami84]

He's rarely double teamed, inconstant power, not many moves

loooooool

[Sami84]

He gets chipped by the RB, I don't see the RG help the RT in blocking him much. I just don't see the elite player in the guy, call me jaded.

 

He doesn't allow himself to be chipped..thats whats good about him

[Cillmatic]

loooooool

Call me jaded, you're all more than welcome to gloat about it if we draft him and he turns up to be elite. Edited October 27, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Sami84]

Call me jaded, you're all more than welcome to gloat about it if we draft him and he turns up to be elite.

 

 

well so far..most of my predictions have been correct..

 

Bosa would easily be our best pick in a long long time.

[GrimCoconut]

well so far..most of my predictions have been correct..

Bosa would easily be our best pick in a long long time.

Eh I don't know about that, but who would you prefer and why between what I call the top 5: Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Stanley and Nkemdiche?

[JoeyFlex5]

Eh I don't know about that, but who would you prefer and why between what I call the top 5: Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Stanley and Nkemdiche?

i know ur not asking me, but if we were to have our pick of the litter, id hate to be ozzie. it would be so hard for me to pass up a LT like stanley, it would be so hard to pass up such a tremendous talent and a huge need like bosa, and it would be hard to pass up on an absolute freak like nkemdiche. if we were picking #1, id hope we could trade back to 3 or 4 with a team looking to take goff and then we take the remaining guy lol

[GrimCoconut]

i know ur not asking me, but if we were to have our pick of the litter, id hate to be ozzie. it would be so hard for me to pass up a LT like stanley, it would be so hard to pass up such a tremendous talent and a huge need like bosa, and it would be hard to pass up on an absolute freak like nkemdiche. if we were picking #1, id hope we could trade back to 3 or 4 with a team looking to take goff and then we take the remaining guy lol

Yeah it's tough. I'm having a hard time here myself. Jimmy is a favorite of mine but he's struggled this year, very likely related to the Lisfranc. Jimmy also 27 right now and he'll be 28 in July. It might be time to get someone to eventually replace him when his contract is up.

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah it's tough. I'm having a hard time here myself. Jimmy is a favorite of mine but he's struggled this year, very likely related to the Lisfranc. Jimmy also 27 right now and he'll be 28 in July. It might be time to get someone to eventually replace him when his contract is up.

i think if jimmy finishes the year healthy, then he will be good to go, that lisfranc is damn tough for any skill position player to recover from, its a notorious one for sure, but im just not sure hargreaves is worth that high of a pick, i like him outside of the top 5 assuming bosa, stanley, nkemdiche, and ramsey make up the top 4 picks.

 

i also see less value in a 2nd cb than many others do, i am happy with 1 very good corner and the rest of the secondary being serviceable with a good pass rush, im just not that big on trying to stack up on elite cb's, i just want starting caliber guys who can stay healthy and follow assignments, and if i want a truly elite player in the secondary, i personally want it at FS, there arent enough of them in this league and the impact an elite FS can have is tremendous, good cb's + pass rush leads to sacks, good FS's + pass rush leads to turnovers

[GrimCoconut]

i think if jimmy finishes the year healthy, then he will be good to go, that lisfranc is damn tough for any skill position player to recover from, its a notorious one for sure, but im just not sure hargreaves is worth that high of a pick, i like him outside of the top 5 assuming bosa, stanley, nkemdiche, and ramsey make up the top 4 picks.

i also see less value in a 2nd cb than many others do, i am happy with 1 very good corner and the rest of the secondary being serviceable with a good pass rush, im just not that big on trying to stack up on elite cb's, i just want starting caliber guys who can stay healthy and follow assignments, and if i want a truly elite player in the secondary, i personally want it at FS, there arent enough of them in this league and the impact an elite FS can have is tremendous, good cb's + pass rush leads to sacks, good FS's + pass rush leads to turnovers

FS, CB, I don't care but give me a playmaker who can fire up and lead a defense. I've seen these qualities with both prospects. CB has a giant void after Jimmy and he's young but getting up there in age and I'd like to have a guy ready to step up as he gets older.

[Static]

FS, CB, I don't care but give me a playmaker who can fire up and lead a defense. I've seen these qualities with both prospects. CB has a giant void after Jimmy and he's young but getting up there in age and I'd like to have a guy ready to step up as he gets older.

 

Plus do we trust Jimmy to return to form?

[JoeyFlex5]

FS, CB, I don't care but give me a playmaker who can fire up and lead a defense. I've seen these qualities with both prospects. CB has a giant void after Jimmy and he's young but getting up there in age and I'd like to have a guy ready to step up as he gets older.

i feel the same, the team needs playmakers, regardless of what position. but i also just dont feel this is the year to draft a first round cb as early as we may be picking. even if hargreaves is the next revis, i think id prefer to take the next great safety in ramsey. there is also a possibility that we can find some real good value at cb in the 2nd, unless of course there is a run on db's in the late first. 

 

 

Plus do we trust Jimmy to return to form?

the first year returned from a lisfranc is always ugly and players often do return to form, its just not an immediate process. what were seeing from jimmy is honestly typical for a CB1 to go down halfway through the season with a lisfranc and return by week 1 the following year.

[January J]

I honestly feel like this season is happening like this for a reason and is going to be a huge blessing in disguise. Ozzie hasn't had a top 10 pick in a long time- and we could come out with a player or 2 that absolutely change the entire course of the next 10 years. We can find that leader and cornerstone player for our defense that we've been lacking since Ed and Ray left.

Right now I'm thinking it has to be Bosa or Ramsey - but a lot can change between now and then.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

We need to bolster the pass rush. That's our biggest need. Having a pass rush makes things a lot easier on the defense. Bosa can do that. Outside of Dumervil, we lack an attack dog. For years we were blessed with Suggs and Ngata. Both were attack dogs(and note. Not easy to be an attack dog as a 3-4 Dlinemen).

CB and FS are also needs, and tbh, I'd be extremely happy with VH3 or Ramsey, but I stand firm in saying that those are the biggest needs for us. Attack dog and WR are probably my top two needs as we stand.

Honestly, Bosa alone would solve a major issue. "He's overrated"....

Well. Let's see. I can tell Bosa to pin his ears back and attack. And he does it well.. It's what we need.

[Xmadraven]

are you seriously still not understanding this? its easy to say that a college player isnt currently as good as the top player in the NFL, however, as PROSPECTS, note the word PROSPECTS, meaning a college player entering the draft(seriously, note the word prospect, because you have failed to, multiple times) bosa and nkemdiche look superior than what jj watt and donald looked like as prospects. its not media hype, its you comparing a professional player to a college player, rather than comparing them as prospects. level the field, stop comparing a 4 year vet to a college player as if thats a fair measurement, you compare jj watt, the 11th overall pick, as a prospect, to bosa, a possible first overall pick, also a prospect, you dont compare the DPOY and top nfl player to a prospect, you just cannot logically do that in any way. how can i further explain this to you so that you can understand it?

That's exactly what the media is doing(Comparing them as prospects). it's all hype. as prospects I had top 5 grades on J.J watt and aaron donald. Nkemdiche is a solid DT prospect who has very good athletiscim so do bosa. But they aren't worthy of being top 5 picks right now. The college season isn't even over, I do not like prospects who get wayyyy overhyped (See clowney,Daquan bowers,adrian clayborn,Aaron maybin,vernon gholston,courtney upshaw etc etc.) I prefer prospects with good technique and no charecter concerns (See Donald,J.J watt,Dante Fowler,Khalil mack.) All underrated prospects who were seen inferior to other prospects. (Fowler and Mack may have been top 5 picks but the consenus was WIlliams,Clowney were better) Jurys out on williams vs. Fowler but mack vs. clowney debate is over 

Edited October 28, 2015 by Xmadraven

[Xmadraven]

comparing bosa to clowney is absolutely laughable.

How is that laughable? They both play 4-3 DE have some charecter concerns (Plays off, Suspension for Bosa) though clowney's were way overblown I think it's very fair to compare them as prospects given neither will live up to the hype. Clowney sure as hell hasn't and never will