The Joey Bosa thread

[Willbacker]

lol people flip flop all the time.

Oh btw Joey has never flippied on Scooby lol

Edited March 25, 2016 by Willbacker

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Willbacker said:

lol people flip flop all the time.

Oh btw Joey has never flippied on Scooby lol

I was saying last year that Scooby sucks and he was projected in the late first or early second lol

[RaineV1]

I've come around on Bosa. I think some other top 10 guys have higher ceilings, but he is a very safe pick and at a position we generally develop well. One thing I like about him is that he's big enough and strong enough to kick inside on obvious passing downs, letting us have Suggs, Doom, Jernigan, and Bosa on the field at the same time.

I think I'd still take Buckner over him, since I think Buckner has a higher ceiling, but I'll don't mind taking Bosa is Buckner isn't there.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

I've come around on Bosa. I think some other top 10 guys have higher ceilings, but he is a very safe pick and at a position we generally develop well. One thing I like about him is that he's big enough and strong enough to kick inside on obvious passing downs, letting us have Suggs, Doom, Jernigan, and Bosa on the field at the same time.

I think I'd still take Buckner over him, since I think Buckner has a higher ceiling, but I'll don't mind taking Bosa is Buckner isn't there.

Buckner may Have the highest ceiling in the draft but due to his lack of natural sense of leverage I worry that he doesn't really come close to his ceiling. He can develop his already solid hand usage and his feet operate very clean for a man his size, so his floor is very high as well. I would like Buckner here absolutely but I still have to take bosa by a hair because he can move around a lot in our front and his natural sense of leverage is rare for a guy his size, I don't think lean can be taught so that's a big deal to me

[RavensFan38173]

On March 24, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Clmraven said:

He already has better technique than some NFL lineman, he uses his hands better than anyone in the draft, and he already uses swim moves and I've seen him use a spin every once in a while.

I just don't see what you're talking about. I've watched multiple FULL game films. Turning to find the ball isn't a spin move. In no way does he have better hands than NFL linemen. He doesn't even have the best hands in the draft. Watch Shaq Lawson vs. Miami. He uses swim moves, spin moves, club moves, rip moves, bull rushes, and pull moves. That's technique.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, RavensFan38173 said:

I just don't see what you're talking about. I've watched multiple FULL game films. Turning to find the ball isn't a spin move. In no way does he have better hands than NFL linemen. He doesn't even have the best hands in the draft. Watch Shaq Lawson vs. Miami. He uses swim moves, spin moves, club moves, rip moves, bull rushes, and pull moves. That's technique.

Bosa has that too, all are equal except bosas bullrush is far superior and lawsons spin is far superior. Bosa doesn't actually have much a spin move but he has used it and shows an understanding of the move and with some work he could pick it up. Bosa is also a very smart football player so I think He can actually get even better at all of those things

[RavensFan38173]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Bosa has that too, all are equal except bosas bullrush is far superior and lawsons spin is far superior. Bosa doesn't actually have much a spin move but he has used it and shows an understanding of the move and with some work he could pick it up. Bosa is also a very smart football player so I think He can actually get even better at all of those things

I agree with you that he COULD get better and learn those things, I just think that in his current state he is worth a pick like 8 or 9. 

[Mt. Crushmore]

This was an interesting thread to catch up on...

[Cillmatic]

Did anyone else notice that Bosa deleted ALL of his tweets?... 

[RavensDieHard21]

5 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Did anyone else notice that Bosa deleted ALL of his tweets?... 

Gotta look like a high character guy lol I would love him as our 1st round pick. He will be fully utilized and getting him on the field with Sizzle, Doom, and Jernigan would be great and really bring pressure.

[Davesta]

I used to think Buckner over bosa, but it's a flip flop right now. Can't wait for the draft! 

[Darhk_Raven]

3 minutes ago, Davesta said:

I used to think Buckner over bosa, but it's a flip flop right now. Can't wait for the draft! 

The front 7 gets better with either one of them, so I'm fine with which ever one we get our hands on. 

[edthehead]

if this has been mention please excuse me have not read any of the past posts,

many people this Bosa is not a fit for our type of defense now looking at today's ravens video there is also a mention of it

so for me it really seems like Buckner is the better choice,

I get the hype with Bosa but for me DeBuck is the choice

 

[jazz1988]

6 hours ago, edthehead said:

if this has been mention please excuse me have not read any of the past posts,

many people this Bosa is not a fit for our type of defense now looking at today's ravens video there is also a mention of it

so for me it really seems like Buckner is the better choice,

I get the hype with Bosa but for me DeBuck is the choice

 

If Pernell Mcphee can play outside linebacker than why can't Joey Bosa?  His 40 time was better than Mcphee's, his 3 cone drill was better than Mcphee's, his broad jump was better than Mcphee's,and his 20 yard shuttle was better than Mcphee's. He could even play the same role that  Mcphee had for The Ravens in 2014 and some say he reminds them of Terrell Suggs.

 

I wish he had more speed to his game like Noah Spence but  if The Ravens are looking for a every down outside linebacker that can set the edge in the run game, sniff out screens, cover when needed, and etc then Bosa may be the prefect guy for the job.

Edited April 5, 2016 by jazz1988

[Sense&Sensibility]

1 hour ago, edthehead said:

if this has been mention please excuse me have not read any of the past posts,

many people this Bosa is not a fit for our type of defense now looking at today's ravens video there is also a mention of it

so for me it really seems like Buckner is the better choice,

I get the hype with Bosa but for me DeBuck is the choice

 

Apparently, Ravens organization thinks he is athletic enough to play OLB... This coming from today's pre-draft presser...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravens

[ALPHA]

On 3/26/2016 at 7:08 AM, RavensFan38173 said:

I just don't see what you're talking about. I've watched multiple FULL game films. Turning to find the ball isn't a spin move. In no way does he have better hands than NFL linemen. He doesn't even have the best hands in the draft. Watch Shaq Lawson vs. Miami. He uses swim moves, spin moves, club moves, rip moves, bull rushes, and pull moves. That's technique.

Lawson ticks all the boxes except producing to his talent level, he even edges Bosa in athleticism.

Edited April 5, 2016 by ALPHA

[trevorsteadman]

Bosa would be perfect to play outside linebacker in our 3-4 hybrid. Buckner can be just as good as Calais Cambell because they look like the same player coming out of college. I would be happy with either of them. Bosa is one of the most productive and talented players and can fill in that McPhee role and take snaps from Suggs and Dumervil. Buckner would be great and I am not worried about his leverage and other issues I think can be learned... Brandon Williams was pretty raw coming here and he has turned out to be great. I am hoping one of these two guys are on the board when we pick.

[RaineV1]

3 hours ago, edthehead said:

if this has been mention please excuse me have not read any of the past posts,

many people this Bosa is not a fit for our type of defense now looking at today's ravens video there is also a mention of it

so for me it really seems like Buckner is the better choice,

I get the hype with Bosa but for me DeBuck is the choice

 

Bosa isn't the perfect fit for a 3-4, but he can work for the Ravens. He'd fit in a similar way as Doom, where he's there to rush the passer or set the edge on every play. And he's capable of playing 3-4 DE on obvious passing downs and working as an interior pass rusher. He's also a good DE for the nickel defense. I personally like Buckner more for the Ravens as well, but I've warmed up to Bosa.

[Jacquouille]

I'm just wondering, while giving Bosa the McPhee role seem perfect, where do you guys see ZDS go? Or do you just want to see have a back up role, after he showed just as much as Pernell in his rookie season?

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm just wondering, while giving Bosa the McPhee role seem perfect, where do you guys see ZDS go? Or do you just want to see have a back up role, after he showed just as much as Pernell in his rookie season?

Depth, depth, depth.  As much as ZDS improved over the last half of the season, a lot of his sacks were coverage sacks, believe it or not.  ZDS will stay as an edge rusher.  No need to do anything different with him.

[Tru11]

i sure hope the 6th overall pick does more then what mcphee brought to the table tbh.

im hoping for  a starter and impact player , not a role player who only plays limited snaps and even then has limited production......

 

[Jacquouille]

8 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Depth, depth, depth.  As much as ZDS improved over the last half of the season, a lot of his sacks were coverage sacks, believe it or not.  ZDS will stay as an edge rusher.  No need to do anything different with him.

I suppose that was also the case for Pernell when he was a rookie, no? I mean, we're building something with him, I understand the need for depth, and the impact Bosa would have in that role, but Z has made tremendous progress in the last 5 games, and he was said to have started practicing a month ago already. The kid shows willingness to improve. Wouldn't Bosa be as good in a Upshaw role, pass rush added? Or maybe I just like our rookies-now-sophomore too much...

 

4 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

i sure hope the 6th overall pick does more then what mcphee brought to the table tbh.

im hoping for  a starter and impact player , not a role player who only plays limited snaps and even then has limited production......

 

McPhee was PFF's 10th grade edge rusher, and a 3-down player. I felt his absence here, that's already a proof of his impact. Bosa can have an even better production than that. 

[rmw10]

12 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I suppose that was also the case for Pernell when he was a rookie, no? I mean, we're building something with him, I understand the need for depth, and the impact Bosa would have in that role, but Z has made tremendous progress in the last 5 games, and he was said to have started practicing a month ago already. The kid shows willingness to improve. Wouldn't Bosa be as good in a Upshaw role, pass rush added? Or maybe I just like our rookies-now-sophomore too much...

You simply don't pass up a potentially premier pass rusher because you have a 4th rounder who, while he improved, still has a lot of work todo.  Relying on guys like that to make the leap is the exact reason we're in the situation we're currently in.  I like ZDS but he's not someone I'd be willing to bet on.

[Tru11]

8 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I suppose that was also the case for Pernell when he was a rookie, no? I mean, we're building something with him, I understand the need for depth, and the impact Bosa would have in that role, but Z has made tremendous progress in the last 5 games, and he was said to have started practicing a month ago already. The kid shows willingness to improve. Wouldn't Bosa be as good in a Upshaw role, pass rush added? Or maybe I just like our rookies-now-sophomore too much...

 

McPhee was PFF's 10th grade edge rusher, and a 3-down player. I felt his absence here, that's already a proof of his impact. Bosa can have an even better production than that. 

he was the 10th best edge rusher last season with the bears?

he barely made the top 50 in the league in terms of sacks lol.

bosa must have way better production and a much bigger impact then mcphee did if we decide to use the 6th overall pick on him TBH.

personally i feel like we felt suggs absence more then mcphee....

 

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

he was the 10th best edge rusher last season with the bears?

he barely made the top 50 in the league in terms of sacks lol.

bosa must have way better production and a much bigger impact then mcphee did if we decide to use the 6th overall pick on him TBH.

personally i feel like we felt suggs absence more then mcphee....

 

Mcphee proved last year with The Bears that he  is a every down outside line backer by getting positive grades with setting the edge and as a pass rusher even though he didn't have double digit sacks.

Suggs is one of the best every down outside linebacker in the league but if The Ravens had Mcphee or someone just as good then losing Suggs wouldnt have been nearly as major as it was last season.    

Honestly losing Ngata didn't help either because Timmy Jerigan wasn't consistent as a  inside pass rusher like he was when he was Ngata back up.

Edited April 5, 2016 by jazz1988

[RavensFanMania]

18 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Mcphee proved last year with The Bears that he can he is a every down outside line backer by getting positive grades with setting the edge and as a pass rusher even though he didn't have double digit sacks.

Suggs is one of the best every down outside linebacker in the league but if The Ravens had Mcphee or someone just as good then losing Suggs wouldnt have been nearly as major as it was last season.    

Honestly losing Ngata didn't help either because Timmy Jernigan wasn't consistent as a  inside pass rusher like he was when he was Ngata back up.

Not to take anything away from Jernigan, but he and Ngata are different types of players.  Even Ngata himself had a down year, in Detroit.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

he was the 10th best edge rusher last season with the bears?

he barely made the top 50 in the league in terms of sacks lol.

Boxscore scouting is the worst type of scouting because he had 48 hurries and 13 quarterback hits in addition to his six sacks in just 14 games. That's nearly 5 quarterback disruptions per game... He was nearly on par with Von Miller and Khalil Mack, which is extremely impressive company (especially considering he only started 12 games and played less than 47% of the snaps over the second half of the season because he was dealing with a knee injury).

Also, quick fun quiz: name another notable pass rusher that the Bears had to draw attention away from McPhee.

Edited April 5, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[KBoum]

McPhee isnt the only pass rusher the Ravens produced. Lots of LBs/D-Line were succesful under the Ravens regime. That is kinda scary now since they lost their coach. You can draft a great player but he won't develop because of bad coaching. But you can also draft raw players and polish them with great coaching and the Ravens were able to do that for years and years with Clarence Brooks, Ted Monachino and company. If there's a position I want the Ravens to see draft its pass rusher because I know they will develop him.

 

and by pass rusher, I don't only mean OLB, but 5 technique DE as well and just to name a few I like :

- Bosa

- Fackrell

- Bullard

- Buckner

- Chris Jones

- Correa

- Ngakoue

- Dodd

[52520Andrew]

Yeah when I say Bosa can be McPhee, I mean end of 2014 McPhee for us who was an absolute terror inside and I think with Bosa, we get the added bonus of playing early down snaps making sure we don't miss a beat without Upshaw. And I also think Bosa can drop a few pounds and be that guy at OLB for us when the time is right as well.

Also really like Lawson as a trade back candidate, he is a well rounded player and if he slimmed to around 260, he may add a little more of that speed element to his game. 

[RaineV1]

9 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah when I say Bosa can be McPhee, I mean end of 2014 McPhee for us who was an absolute terror inside and I think with Bosa, we get the added bonus of playing early down snaps making sure we don't miss a beat without Upshaw. And I also think Bosa can drop a few pounds and be that guy at OLB for us when the time is right as well.

Also really like Lawson as a trade back candidate, he is a well rounded player and if he slimmed to around 260, he may add a little more of that speed element to his game. 

Watching Lawson play reminds me of Suggs. I think he can be one of the best all around edge guys in this draft.