The Joey Bosa thread

[Cillmatic]

Alrighty, figured this guy would get some talk since multiple mocks have simultaneously projected we'd draft him. Seems like about half of the forums are split between him the the "other guy" so we might as well have a place dedicated to each of the two. Enjoy.

[JoeyFlex5]

go ahead, tell us hes overrated

[Jamal]

I don't see him as the once in a generation type talent some do, but in a weak class in terms of pass-rushers, he is by far the best one, and at this point is definitely worthy of a top 5 pick.

[Cillmatic]

go ahead, tell us hes overrated

Later

[Purple Punishment]

Later

He would make our D line Beastly!!!

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't see him as the once in a generation type talent some do, but in a weak class in terms of pass-rushers, he is by far the best one, and at this point is definitely worthy of a top 5 pick.

i dont see him as a generational talent either, i did at one point, but he lacks the real athleticism at this point to crown him the next jj watt, but he isnt exactly overrated, because the guy is the real deal, hes gonna be a top 3 OLB/DE in the league probably from the day he steps into the league, and he pretty much gives us what we need to move on from sizzle when he retires. 

 

with bosa and davis on the left, they will be the most dominant line crashers in the league, and with jernigan and doom on the right, they wil make for the most dominant lineup of edge defenders in the game, dont even bother trying to run the ball, and if youre passing you better hope our db's blow every assignment, otherwise youll never escape the pressure that front would bring.

[PurpleCity5]

I don't see him as the once in a generation type talent some do, but in a weak class in terms of pass-rushers, he is by far the best one, and at this point is definitely worthy of a top 5 pick.

I agree, I think hes a great prospect but I don't see him as a Watt type player in the future. This is a weak edge rusher class so that will shoot up his value a ton.

[Inqui]

i dont see him as a generational talent either, i did at one point, but he lacks the real athleticism at this point to crown him the next jj watt, but he isnt exactly overrated, because the guy is the real deal, hes gonna be a top 3 OLB/DE in the league probably from the day he steps into the league, and he pretty much gives us what we need to move on from sizzle when he retires. 

 

with bosa and davis on the left, they will be the most dominant line crashers in the league, and with jernigan and doom on the right, they wil make for the most dominant lineup of edge defenders in the game, dont even bother trying to run the ball, and if youre passing you better hope our db's blow every assignment, otherwise youll never escape the pressure that front would bring.

I wouldn't say that's an extreme thing to hope for.

[JoeyFlex5]

I wouldn't say that's an extreme thing to hope for.

it absolutely isnt lol, thats the sad part, at this point it doesnt matter who is up front we will get torched, but i think a more adaptive DC goes a long way in fixing that, and if bosa is there hes still gonna do more for us than a db will, i think hes head and shoulders above any db in the class

[Jamal]

I agree, I think hes a great prospect but I don't see him as a Watt type player in the future. This is a weak edge rusher class so that will shoot up his value a ton.

Well to be fair, nobody thought Watt would end up being this good in the 2011 draft. Bosa is defintley a more highly regarded prospect than Watt. Doesn't really mean he'll be anywhere near as good, but who really knows tbh?

 

Speaking of the 2011 draft, looking back, that class was loaded with defensive talent. Watt, Miller, Dareus, Quinn, Kerrigan, Wilkerson, Peterson....Maybe Watt would have climbed into the top 3 of it weren't for the stacked class.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Jamal

[JoeyFlex5]

Well to be fair, nobody thought Watt would end up being this good in the 2011 draft. Bosa is defintley a more highly regarded prospect than Watt. Doesn't really mean he'll be anywhere near as good, but who really knows tbh?

 

Speaking of the 2011 draft, looking back, that class was loaded with defensive talent. Watt, Miller, Dareus, Quinn, Kerrigan, Wilkerson, Peterson....Maybe Watt would have climbed into the top 3 of it weren't for the stacked class.

watt still went in the top half of the first round, he was definitely highly regarded and i dont know if anyone thought he wasnt gonna be a good player, but his work ethic is second to none and that is what separated him from the rest to become the most dominant player in the league

[VeiledPsychosis]

I'm not much of a fan of Bosa, I think if we are picking top 5 and he's the best on the board then we should trade back. I don't see him as "can't miss," he's good, great even, but our dline is just fine without him and we'd be better off trading back for more picks b/c we'd still have a shot at some of the best talent available surely. A DE could be had later with Guy really establishing himself lately.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I think we're all in agreement that he COULD develop into a Watt type player, but no one is saying that he will be that guy day 1. When you compare him to the rest of the class, especially when you weigh against the needs and team philosophy, he's relatively far ahead of everyone else in this draft class, at least IMO.

 

He looks like he has the frame to add another 20lbs of muscle, and could easily play DE at 295 for us in the 3-4.

[Maryland]

I think we're all in agreement that he COULD develop into a Watt type player, but no one is saying that he will be that guy day 1. When you compare him to the rest of the class, especially when you weigh against the needs and team philosophy, he's relatively far ahead of everyone else in this draft class, at least IMO.

 

He looks like he has the frame to add another 20lbs of muscle, and could easily play DE at 295 for us in the 3-4.

This is what I was thinking.

 

I think the concerns about Bosa playing rush-LB are legitimate. A lot of people compared him to Watt, which seems unfair from a talent perspective, but I think there may be some merit to that comparison if you believe Bosa must play DE. Watt is a 3-4 DE, and the two are almost the same height/weight. Bosa might be better at DE, and if that's the case, you have to ask yourself if a 3-4 DE is worth a pick that high. We could still use a DE, but rush-LB is much more important.

[JoeyFlex5]

Bosa will be an OLB in a 3-4 unless his team tells him to bulk up and slide in out of necessity.

If we're looking o add a 3-4DE, and I'm not sure why we would, but nkemdiche is the clear choice imo. The appeal of bosa over nkemdiche for me is basically 100% based on one being a rush OLB and one being a DE

[rmw10]

Bosa will be an OLB in a 3-4 unless his team tells him to bulk up and slide in out of necessity.

If we're looking o add a 3-4DE, and I'm not sure why we would, but nkemdiche is the clear choice imo. The appeal of bosa over nkemdiche for me is basically 100% based on one being a rush OLB and one being a DE

I think Bosa would be fine as an OLB, especially since he wouldn't necessarily have to start here right away with Suggs and Dumervil still in the fold. Bosa could be used in the McPhee role, which was nearly full time despite not being a starter in name. He'd stand up and learn the nuances of 3-4 OLB, while sliding down to 3T on obvious pass rushing situations.

Edited October 23, 2015 by rmw10

[JoeyFlex5]

I think Bosa would be fine as an OLB, especially since he wouldn't necessarily have to start here right away with Suggs and Dumervil still in the fold. Bosa could be used in the McPhee role, which was nearly full time despite not being a starter in name. He'd stand up and learn the nuances of 3-4 OLB, while sliding down to 3T on obvious pass rushing situations.

exactly, I see too much hustle and athleticism with bosa to put him in a phone booth on the line, I'd much prefer to see him on the edge with room to work a 1v1 matchup with the OT. he definitely has the ability to handle a role as a 3-4DE but I think is selling him short and we could find a player better suited for that.

[January J]

I'm not much of a fan of Bosa, I think if we are picking top 5 and he's the best on the board then we should trade back. I don't see him as "can't miss," he's good, great even, but our dline is just fine without him and we'd be better off trading back for more picks b/c we'd still have a shot at some of the best talent available surely. A DE could be had later with Guy really establishing himself lately.

so who do you see as a "can't miss" prospect ?

[Mt. Crushmore]

Mario Williams type player.

[rmw10]

Mario Williams type player.

That's who I see him as. He'd play a variety of different roles.

[Static]

Bosa is sliding right into our range but is he a 3-4 OLB?

Im agreeing with the questions that are making him slide. I don't think he is as much of a superman as previously thought

I really like how he bends and can tackle while parallel his most potential might be at OLB

Edited October 24, 2015 by Static

[Cillmatic]

Per @PFF_College , Joey Bosa leads all edge rushers with 14 QB hits.

Edited October 24, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Maryland]

I think Bosa would be fine as an OLB, especially since he wouldn't necessarily have to start here right away with Suggs and Dumervil still in the fold. Bosa could be used in the McPhee role, which was nearly full time despite not being a starter in name. He'd stand up and learn the nuances of 3-4 OLB, while sliding down to 3T on obvious pass rushing situations.

That's a good comparison. You've sold me on Bosa's potential as a LB lol.

[JoeyFlex5]

Per @PFF_College , Joey Bosa leads all edge rushers with 14 QB hits.

overrated..

[Winchester]

i dont see him as a generational talent either, i did at one point, but he lacks the real athleticism at this point to crown him the next jj watt, but he isnt exactly overrated, because the guy is the real deal, hes gonna be a top 3 OLB/DE in the league probably from the day he steps into the league, and he pretty much gives us what we need to move on from sizzle when he retires. 

 

with bosa and davis on the left, they will be the most dominant line crashers in the league, and with jernigan and doom on the right, they wil make for the most dominant lineup of edge defenders in the game, dont even bother trying to run the ball, and if youre passing you better hope our db's blow every assignment, otherwise youll never escape the pressure that front would bring.

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I love the idea!! But how old will Dumervil be next year?? Going on 34?? Ravens need to find a replacement for Dumervil as well. They could sign Aldon Smith maybe?? A harbaugh had him the playing as one of the best edge rushers in the NFL. Bosa and Smith could make the ravens dominant again.

[Maryland]

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I love the idea!! But how old will Dumervil be next year?? Going on 34?? Ravens need to find a replacement for Dumervil as well. They could sign Aldon Smith maybe?? A harbaugh had him the playing as one of the best edge rushers in the NFL. Bosa and Smith could make the ravens dominant again.

I think there is 0% chance Bisciotti would take on an utter embarrassment like Aldon Smith, especially not as a UFA, which would cost a comp. pick.

 

I think Doom can still be effective if he goes back to playing 50% of the snaps next year as a DPR (he'll be 32). I hope they keep him. They really just need 1 more decent pass rusher, preferably someone with some versatility to play on running downs like Shilique Calhoun. Would love to get him in the 2nd, but I think he is helping his draft stock too much. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think there is 0% chance Bisciotti would take on an utter embarrassment like Aldon Smith, especially not as a UFA, which would cost a comp. pick.

 

I think Doom can still be effective if he goes back to playing 50% of the snaps next year as a DPR (he'll be 32). I hope they keep him. They really just need 1 more decent pass rusher, preferably someone with some versatility to play on running downs like Shilique Calhoun. Would love to get him in the 2nd, but I think he is helping his draft stock too much. 

shilique is gonna fly up boards and then disappoint big time. he has solid moves and plays violent, but his jump off the snap is horrid and last i checked he was pretty consistently the last one off the line. this was film from last year though and maybe he fixed it

Edited October 26, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[Xmadraven]

Joey bosa isn't a 3-4 OLB and his tape isn't great. Solid top 16 pick tho barring off the field issues. or injury. 

 

I think realistically we'll get a top 16 pick we play some easy games the next few weeks so we might finish 8-8 (steelers did it in 2013?) I thought 7-9 was our floor as a team and I'll stick to that... 7-9 isn't awful but we easily could be 4-2 rn. Oh well next year... If we end up with a top 5 pick I'd say hargreaves cause he's a safe af pick. That georgia pass rusher scares me cause jarvis jones... Then again justin houston so...we'll see. Also BDL stud brent urban when will u come backs

[JoeyFlex5]

Joey bosa isn't a 3-4 OLB and his tape isn't great. Solid top 16 pick tho barring off the field issues. or injury. 

 

I think realistically we'll get a top 16 pick we play some easy games the next few weeks so we might finish 8-8 (steelers did it in 2013?) I thought 7-9 was our floor as a team and I'll stick to that... 7-9 isn't awful but we easily could be 4-2 rn. Oh well next year... If we end up with a top 5 pick I'd say hargreaves cause he's a safe af pick. That georgia pass rusher scares me cause jarvis jones... Then again justin houston so...we'll see. Also BDL stud brent urban when will u come backs

im saying this with as much as respect as possible... but this is delusional on both fronts. joey bosa is in fact capable of playing 3-4 OLB, he has the athleticism and the size for it, high IQ guy, and if worst comes to worst we play him as a rusher and run stuffer and keep him out of coverage, and he is AT WORST the 3rdbest player in this draft. and we arent finishing 8-8, 7-9, or anything close to that, we are not winning 6 or 7 of our next 10 games.

Edited October 26, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[Jamal]

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I love the idea!! But how old will Dumervil be next year?? Going on 34?? Ravens need to find a replacement for Dumervil as well. They could sign Aldon Smith maybe?? A harbaugh had him the playing as one of the best edge rushers in the NFL. Bosa and Smith could make the ravens dominant again.

I can't see the Ravens going anywhere near Aldon Smith, after the Rice fiasco. JPP might be a more realistic option.