trading out of a top 5 pick

[JoeyFlex5]

if the ravens end up picking in the top 5, lets say were 3rd overall, and jared goff is on the board...

 

i think the saints, bears, chiefs, jets, bills, and texans may be the frontrunners for goff, i dont imagine any of them finishing with a worse record than us(who'da thunk it?) and this puts us in an extremely advantageous position.. 

 

6 teams all vying for a consensus "safe" pick for a franchise qb = bidding war in our favor, and i am expecting some combination of tennessee, jax, or detroit to take the top 2 spots, all teams with their franchise qbs, and i think the lineup of these 6 teams begins directly behind us

 

of course this is all hypothetical, but with so many teams looking to trade up for the 3rd overall spot to get their franchise qb, just think of the price... 

 

to trade up just a few spots to #3 pretty much guarantees a first the following year, along with a 2nd for the current draft, if we are only trading back a few spots and staying in the top 10 and still getting a kings ransom, well i think that is a better choice than any of the prospects. 

 

IF this situation were to present itself, what players would you choose over a trade back(still in the top 10) plus a 2nd and a first in 2017? im not sure i would take any of them.

[Cillmatic]

Thread does not include word "Ramsey", lock thread.

[Inqui]

It's definitely an interesting idea. Ozzie with the Rams haul from the RGKnee trade would be unfair to the rest of the league. But with that said, I'd rather wait until closer to the draft to see our final position and who the risers and fallers are. I could be wrong, but iirc Dante Fowler and Vic Beasley weren't being talked up as prospects to go as high as they did at this time last year.

[rmw10]

It's definitely an interesting idea. Ozzie with the Rams haul from the RGKnee trade would be unfair to the rest of the league. But with that said, I'd rather wait until closer to the draft to see our final position and who the risers and fallers are. I could be wrong, but iirc Dante Fowler and Vic Beasley weren't being talked up as prospects to go as high as they did at this time last year.

 

Yep.  Way too hard to predict trade ups and downs at this point when we don't even know where we'll be picking.  I know it's hypothetical, but still way too early since we don't know who will be on the board and whether they'll still be rated as highly then as they are now.

[JoeyFlex5]

Thread does not include word "Ramsey", lock thread.

with ramsey looking a little subpar since his move to cb, he very well could slide 5 spots or so. if he doesnt find his groove at cb then he definitely becomes my top trade back target. treadwell/hargreaved/boyd/floyd(in that order) would be my next 4 targets. 

 

 

Yep.  Way too hard to predict trade ups and downs at this point when we don't even know where we'll be picking.  I know it's hypothetical, but still way too early since we don't know who will be on the board and whether they'll still be rated as highly then as they are now.

yea it was admitted in the OP that its too early for this much speculation, but its still fun to think about ozzie with 3 ones and 3 twos in 2 years with 4 of those picks likely coming in the top 10. 

 

just imagine if we trade back to a team who wants goff and he struggles as a rookie and we end up getting another top 5 pick next year? leonard fournette practically for free anyone? i know i know its too early for this lol

[Cillmatic]

with ramsey looking a little subpar since his move to cb, he very well could slide 5 spots or so. if he doesnt find his groove at cb then he definitely becomes my top trade back target. treadwell/hargreaved/boyd/floyd(in that order) would be my next 4 targets.

You been watching the games bruh? He's Been a shutdown Corner.

[JoeyFlex5]

You been watching the games bruh? He's Been a shutdown Corner.

i havent at all, my entire weekend is work lol i can barely keep my eyes open for ravens games because im so exhausted by sunday, been rough. im just going off of what ive been hearing, i heard he struggled a bit early but i havent heard much lately

[Jamal]

If you get a package anything like the Rams got, you almost have to take it. Even if Ramsey and Hargreaves are still availible that is an offer that can't be refused.

[Cillmatic]

i havent at all, my entire weekend is work lol i can barely keep my eyes open for ravens games because im so exhausted by sunday, been rough. im just going off of what ive been hearing, i heard he struggled a bit early but i havent heard much lately

Watch some of his footage on

"draftbreakdown.com"

[JoeyFlex5]

If you get a package anything like the Rams got, you almost have to take it. Even if Ramsey and Hargreaves are still availible that is an offer that can't be refused.

if were talking 3rd overall im sure we have our eyes on prospects other than ramsey and hargreaves, as much as i like hargreaves and ramsey being probably my top prospect for this team, i think ozzie would be hoping for the top OT at that point, and if were picking as high as 3rd than bosa is a real possibility, i wouldnt rule out nkemdiche for a second either, we know how ozzie likes to shock us with pure BPA and nkemdiche very well could be that.

[JoeyFlex5]

Watch some of his footage on

"draftbreakdown.com"

once draft season comes around im gonna get on it, i may be the most active poster on the draft forum, its my favorite time of year

[Jamal]

if were talking 3rd overall im sure we have our eyes on prospects other than ramsey and hargreaves, as much as i like hargreaves and ramsey being probably my top prospect for this team, i think ozzie would be hoping for the top OT at that point, and if were picking as high as 3rd than bosa is a real possibility, i wouldnt rule out nkemdiche for a second either, we know how ozzie likes to shock us with pure BPA and nkemdiche very well could be that.

I just used those guys as a general idea of players who could be availible. Theres no doubt this team could use help on many different positions.

 

But, if the package presneted resembles anything like what St. Louis got, You'd have to take it. Especially if you really do beleive Ozzie is one of the best in the business. This team has a lot of holes, and all those draft picks can lead to another championship contender.

[52520Andrew]

My only question is why would the other teams trade up with us? I am sure they would consider the teams above us if they were looking to move up as well and I am sure that the teams above us would consider moving down if they were fine not going QB. 

[JoeyFlex5]

My only question is why would the other teams trade up with us? I am sure they would consider the teams above us if they were looking to move up as well and I am sure that the teams above us would consider moving down if they were fine not going QB. 

jared goff. theres gonna be alot of teams after him, if we are lucky enough to have ONE of those teams picking directly after us(which could be a likely scenario when you consider how many teams will be wanting him) then that makes us the team that decides who gets goff, if were 3rd and chicago, NO, KC, NYJ, HOU, or BUF is 4th, then we control the asking price and decide who gets goff, one or more of those teams will want to leapfrog that 4th overall team to take goff and we are in a position to drive that price way up.  

 

like i said, its all way too early for specifics, but with us most likely having a top 10 and maybe even top 5 pick for the first time in ages, its fun to discuss the possibilities.

[Dewy101]

I'd only like us to trade out of the top 5 if we get what the Rams got with the RG3 deal and I don't see that happening so no

[52520Andrew]

jared goff. theres gonna be alot of teams after him, if we are lucky enough to have ONE of those teams picking directly after us(which could be a likely scenario when you consider how many teams will be wanting him) then that makes us the team that decides who gets goff, if were 3rd and chicago, NO, KC, NYJ, HOU, or BUF is 4th, then we control the asking price and decide who gets goff, one or more of those teams will want to leapfrog that 4th overall team to take goff and we are in a position to drive that price way up.

like i said, its all way too early for specifics, but with us most likely having a top 10 and maybe even top 5 pick for the first time in ages, its fun to discuss the possibilities.

My question is why would the 2 teams above us in this scenario just hold firm? Everyone knew the Colts were going Luck in 2012 so the Rams were guarenteed a top 2 QB. We would be picking #3, we could trade down sure but teams could just go to the #2 team or #1 team as well so it isn't like we are the only option like the Rams that year.

[Static]

I don't think the QBs this year are that good.

[JoeyFlex5]

My question is why would the 2 teams above us in this scenario just hold firm? Everyone knew the Colts were going Luck in 2012 so the Rams were guarenteed a top 2 QB. We would be picking #3, we could trade down sure but teams could just go to the #2 team or #1 team as well so it isn't like we are the only option like the Rams that year.

it depends on the teams there, lets say that tampa, or detroit, or jax, or tenn, or pretty much any team who has their franchise qb, or at least drafted very recently a player who they say is their franchise qb, oddly enough it seems like the top few teams could be teams with their qbs already, looks like NO and HOU are the biggest risks to end up picking ahead of us and targeting goff. so if a team knows for certain that the top 3 teams arent taking goff, why trade up to first overall when you can trade to 3rd? those 2 spots are worth a boatload in draft currency

[52520Andrew]

it depends on the teams there, lets say that tampa, or detroit, or jax, or tenn, or pretty much any team who has their franchise qb, or at least drafted very recently a player who they say is their franchise qb, oddly enough it seems like the top few teams could be teams with their qbs already, looks like NO and HOU are the biggest risks to end up picking ahead of us and targeting goff. so if a team knows for certain that the top 3 teams arent taking goff, why trade up to first overall when you can trade to 3rd? those 2 spots are worth a boatload in draft currency

But if I am trading up for a QB, wouldn't I be worried about getting jumped? And we would not be able to charge too much as I am sure the other teams would be fielding offers as well. They would be a bit more expensive but I don't see it being a huge difference as there is no one player that much better than the rest. Bosa is probably my top guy but then even after him, Stanley isn't far above the rest.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

While the idea of moving back and still getting our guy while being in a position to grab Fournette next year, that's about the only reason I could consider moving up.

 

Like you said, if the teams in front of us have their QB, but what if they don't? What if we wind up at the second pick and Goff goes first to someone who needs a QB? Do you still entertain the idea with Bosa right there?

[lgcs27288]

While the idea of moving back and still getting our guy while being in a position to grab Fournette next year, that's about the only reason I could consider moving up.

Like you said, if the teams in front of us have their QB, but what if they don't? What if we wind up at the second pick and Goff goes first to someone who needs a QB? Do you still entertain the idea with Bosa right there?

I would still entertain the idea. There's still Hargreaves and Ramsey, along with a few others. If we can get another top pick for next year, I would say their combined talent would be better. Especially if we nab Fournette. That's a big if though. Edited October 21, 2015 by lgcs27288

[JoeyFlex5]

guys, its all speculation for fun... asking for exact scenarios is not what this is for lol

[52520Andrew]

guys, its all speculation for fun... asking for exact scenarios is not what this is for lol

 

Well the good news is that if we do get jumped(assuming we pick at 3 like you say), one of Bosa and Stanley will be there waiting. Then again, with the way we are playing, we may end up with the #1 overall pick and not have to worry about getting jumped although I would imagine we get a least a couple more wins in the 2nd half of the season.

[JoeyFlex5]

Well the good news is that if we do get jumped(assuming we pick at 3 like you say), one of Bosa and Stanley will be there waiting. Then again, with the way we are playing, we may end up with the #1 overall pick and not have to worry about getting jumped although I would imagine we get a least a couple more wins in the 2nd half of the season.

i wouldnt mind it at all lol, im one of the types who doesnt see a difference between 7-9 and 2-14, missing the playoffs is the same regardless. i doubt it though lol, i think we end up somewhere between 7 and 4 realistically. id love to see us at 4 and have the top 3 picks go tunsil, nkemdiche, and goff lol that would just be amazing.

[Maryland]

I don't think the RGIII haul is realistic at #3 because if a two teams really wanted Goff, they would ultimately bid themselves up to the higher picks most likely (3 firsts, 1 second rounder was the RGIII trade). I also don't think Goff will go that high; he seems like he's a bit overrated because of his gaudy offensive system, and by being the best of an average QB class.  I think a Julio Jones kind of haul is more realistic: 1st, 2nd, 4th, 1st (next yr), 4th (next yr).

 

But I understand the point is to start a discussion, so I'm game. Trading down would make me disappointed initially, since I really want one of those top-5 or 6 talents. However, I am almost always of the mind that trading down is great value. We have a lot of needs, so getting solid players instead of blue-chip talents could be just what we need. In addition, filling out the roster with solid rookies takes better advantage of the rookie wage scale. This also will lead to more solid players leaving for FA at the end of their rookie contracts, which will benefit the comp. pick formula down the line. 

 

As we get closer to the draft, we will know better how the first and second rounders will fill out. For now, I bet we could get Treadwell late in the first, as well as any of the edge rushers not named Bosa or Nkemdiche. Ramsey could even be a possibility if playing CB has limited his stock at all. One of the blue-chip ILB prospects could fall as well, since we are going to need a Daryl Smith replacement. Ezekiel Elliot could be a possibility if he falls a bit. Kendal Fuller is another one, although he should probably play his senior season because he needs to prove himself healthy and talented enough t be worth a high pick. He's probably a late 2nd at best if he declares early. 

[GrimCoconut]

If we have a top 3-5 pick and, depending on who's on the board and how many spots we'll fall, I'd trade back in a heartbeat if it meant a 1st round pick for 2017 & more. I don't think this draft is very strong, but I think it's okay. I'd love to have two first round picks for once without trading a future pick to get one.

[DefensiveMind]

This is a tricky one for me. My top franchise piece type prospects are Bosa, Ramsey, Hargreaves and Stanley. All guaranteed top 10 picks at this point. So if we had a top 5 pick I would love to use it on one of these guys. However, I think Ramsey and/or hargreaves can be had in the top 8. So if we could move back only a few spots and still get them then I am fine. But if we traded out of say the top 10 and missed on all 4 of these guys, I would be upset

[GrimCoconut]

Honestly, I wish this was last year because we sure could've used Amari Cooper. I know it doesn't matter, but man, that would have been awesome..

[VeiledPsychosis]

As I said in the other post: If we are picking top 5 we should clearly trade out, doing so would give us more picks, maybe even a future 1st if we play our cards right, and we would almost certainly still have a shot at one of the top DBs or WRs. As bad as we are doing we are not in any desperate need for a top 5 player, it'd be nice but we'd come out on top with a trade back.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I don't think the RGIII haul is realistic at #3 because if a two teams really wanted Goff, they would ultimately bid themselves up to the higher picks most likely (3 firsts, 1 second rounder was the RGIII trade). I also don't think Goff will go that high; he seems like he's a bit overrated because of his gaudy offensive system, and by being the best of an average QB class.  I think a Julio Jones kind of haul is more realistic: 1st, 2nd, 4th, 1st (next yr), 4th (next yr).

 

But I understand the point is to start a discussion, so I'm game. Trading down would make me disappointed initially, since I really want one of those top-5 or 6 talents. However, I am almost always of the mind that trading down is great value. We have a lot of needs, so getting solid players instead of blue-chip talents could be just what we need. In addition, filling out the roster with solid rookies takes better advantage of the rookie wage scale. This also will lead to more solid players leaving for FA at the end of their rookie contracts, which will benefit the comp. pick formula down the line. 

 

As we get closer to the draft, we will know better how the first and second rounders will fill out. For now, I bet we could get Treadwell late in the first, as well as any of the edge rushers not named Bosa or Nkemdiche. Ramsey could even be a possibility if playing CB has limited his stock at all. One of the blue-chip ILB prospects could fall as well, since we are going to need a Daryl Smith replacement. Ezekiel Elliot could be a possibility if he falls a bit. Kendal Fuller is another one, although he should probably play his senior season because he needs to prove himself healthy and talented enough t be worth a high pick. He's probably a late 2nd at best if he declares early. 

 

The RGIII haul was just the Redskins being the Redskins. I still think that the Julio Jones value would be great, but not if we're trading down that far. I may be mistaken, but I think the Falcons moved up from 27 to 6. I would imagine we could get similar value moving back from 3-5 back to 6-8.