[News] Late For work 10/20: Where Marshal Yanda's Contract Ranks Among NFL Guards

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[Crusader]

Lets see were he ranks now that he got his big contract.

[Dorota]

Marshall Yanda is the best thing since sliced bread! No, really, I adore him as a player. Glad to see the majority of OL in positive PFF points, it was visible on the field Sunday as one of the brighter lights in a dark alley.

 

You could see that SSS wasn't 100%. That's not bashing, but fact. My guess is that if he weren't hurting he might be able to haul in at least one of the end zone drops. Just wish other WRs would put themselves in the position to do so also.

 

I can't hold the missed FG against Tucker, I'm glad he's not injured after the sinkhole ate his leg! My guess is that Jernigan was pushed down the depth chart as a lesson regarding penalties that could be prevented and now coaches think lesson learnt. I hope they are right.

 

Joe Flacco IS a funny guy. Not in a forceful way, rather the quiet type, but he's rather entertaining when he is relaxed.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Dorota

[WNC-Raven]

Crusader.....I see you're relatively new here so it's not your fault if you don't know who Yanda is. Yanda is the toughest guy on our team. Yanda may be the toughest player in the league. He gets hurt and plays through it. He gets injured and plays through that. He quetly is the run blocker than will take on 2, 3 defenders on one play. He is always consistent. Never complains. Does his job and then some. That's who Yanda is. He is not a guy that has been playing hard for what 9 years? and is now going phone it in. I don't think he knows how to not work hard. We are very fortunate to have Marshall Yanda on our team.

Edited October 20, 2015 by WNC-Raven

[fusuymada]

Yanda gave us a hometown discount and we should be appreciative and not attack him. He is one of the few players who are still playing with some fire. I made a comment in another article about Harbaugh and his inability to deal with strong personalities that put us in a leadership bind. I turn on the radio, and Rob Long on 105.7 is parroting what I said. I think this is an issue and its high time Bisciotti starts getting involved with Harbaugh and eliminate his insecurity with vocal players and to get him out of drafting decisions. When Harbaugh came, our draft success went downhill and it took us 6 years after he got involved in the draft to get a pro bowler when we were averaging 1 every two years. Ozzie didn't change but the coach's input did and with Harbaugh's input, our drafts have sucked.

[stixfix69]

To me KO plays like a Raven and acts like one, and i really hope Oz can pull one out of his hat to get him re-signed....

[The Greek]

front office and scouts must improve. position coaches and coordinators must improve. every player on this team must look in the mirror and do what it takes to improve or this is the type of team we will see for many years like some other teams we know

[jravens13]

Oh Ozzie... why did you play CB shuffle and waive Melvin and let him land with the Pats? he was actually a good developmental player who had a rough game coming off of an injury. I remember a quote saying you would never let the secondary get into the situation it was in last year. IMO this secondary is 10x worse. And you want to know why? We can't get after the QB without blitzing and we blitz almost every play under this Dean Pees Defense. We don't have 2 shutdown corners AKA we NEED a PASS RUSH!

[bioLarzen]

"Drafting Perriman wasn’t the real mistake; not having any semblance of a backup plan to stretch the field was the major error when you acknowledge the history of NFL first-round receivers who haven’t found immediate success on the field."

 

Ahh... to be an NFL expert... a lot of us have been telling this since the 2012 season, after it became clear that we were missing Boldin: the real mistake was not trading Boldin away - and then letting Torrey walk in free agency, but the inability to properly replace them. Seems like Ozzie's famous 80-20  (if you can replace a player with someone who can give you 80% of the old guy's production for 20% of his salary, replace him) philosophy was misfiring, as in neither case did we see a player doing that - frankly, even coming near of doing it. Just like Boldin was let go without an especially noteworthy possession receiver aboard back then, Torrey was let go without a more or less proven deep threat on the roster to take his place (which now seems an especially risky move given that the deep pass is Flacco's prime weapon...). I'm not one of those who like to think they can know any of this stuff better than Ozzie - but from this side of the table it does seem to be a probelmatic tendency: to let key players walk without actually having a guy they see as a probable replacement. Letting Ngata go seems to have been the reight solution, as we had Brandon Williams and Jernigan to replace that certain 80 percent - and they've been doing just that. Nobody seems to miss Ngata from the lineup. On the other hand, everybody misses boldin and Torrey - because we don't have their replacements. and not because they would be irreplaceable - but because the FO seems to have been unable to find the right guy.

 

The otjher thing I've been wondering lately is whether our talent evaluation think-tank for WR's is lacking, or whether our scouting staff can identify worthy WR's, but then the position coaching staff fails to realize their potential. We NEVER had a wide receiver selected in mid- or late rounds then developed to a good receiver. NEVER. While other teams hav 4th/5th or even later round WR's becoming starters, the most we seem to be able to get out of our mid/late round and undrafted WR's is one or maybe one and a half good seasons - mostly not even that. Mellette, Doss, Marlon Brown, Deonthe Thompson, LaQuan Williams etc... they all failed to develop into a legit NFL wide receiver. That can hardly be a coincidence or a freakish trick of chances. That definitely seems to be a tendency. And if there is, it must be either the improper selection (our talent analysts fail to identify the real potential guys) or the position coaching stuff failing to develop them into what they could be developed into.

 

In either case, something could be done... But one thing is for sure: the "usual" wide receiver situation for the Baltimore Ravens is a serious hindrance that should IMHO definitely be addressed - and fundamentally, not just some patching up by drafting WR's early or hiring a different coach. The only season we had a really good starting wideout-tandem (Boldin and a "veteran" Torrey - plus a good Jacoby as a situational deep threat) we won the Super Bowl... not solely because of that of course - but I'm more than positive it was a huge factor. What we have NOW... Johnny Unitas, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning in their primes wouldn't have a chance to win the trophy with this receiving corps...

Edited October 20, 2015 by bioLarzen

[surfdude]

Now watch Melvin have success in New England ....... because of COACHING and playing to his strengths. Classic Coach B rubbing taking a swipe at the Ravens.

[bioLarzen]

To me KO plays like a Raven and acts like one, and i really hope Oz can pull one out of his hat to get him re-signed....

 

Don't we all... But free agency is like that: teams cannot afford to retain their best players because another team is in the position to outbid them, offering insane money... Just like we could be sure to see Grubbs, McPhee, Kruger, Ellerbe etc. walk long before it actaully happened, it seems to be the same story for KO. He's been simply playing too good to be in our price range.

 

Yep, hope springs eternal - but the most likely scenario is that he's gonna be with another team next season

[CaliRavenFan]

I love Harbs but he is way too comfortable knowing that his job is not on the line no matter how bad the Ravens do this year.. Something needs to change with this team but unfortunately it's not going too..

[iluvpurple]

I can't say enough good to describe Marshall Yanda on the field and off, but one thing definitely comes to mind immediately about his entire career here in Baltimore, he reminds me off the old, throw-back players from the Baltimore Colts, that lived, and breathed for the game...... He has more than lived up to expectations for this organization.

[iluvpurple]

Sorry, "of the old"......

[bioLarzen]

Now watch Melvin have success in New England ....... because of COACHING and playing to his strengths. Classic Coach B rubbing taking a swipe at the Ravens.

 

Melvin had success in Baltimore for a few games, too... and then everybody was cursing at him when he allowed those completions and TD's in Foxboro in January...

 

One or two good games is by no means a surefire sign that a player is good enoguh for the long run. The Pats also had "sensations" Kenbrell Thompkins and Zach Sudfeld lately - and both turned out to be short-term wonders and have long been released (Thompkins now back on their PS). Or take Jonas Gray who was heralded as the Patriot's New Big Gun after having one or two monster games last season - now he's in Miami, being third or fourth on the depth chart... Or our very own Bobby Rainey who wnet to Tampa Bay and had some decent games, promptly making some Ravens-fans declare him the next blunder of Ozzie letting him go - now he's also no higher than third on the Bucs' depth chart, with a whopping 3 carry attempts for 10 yards this season...

 

Let's say Melvin (or any other young sensation, for that matter) has become a good player if he has at least one good season behind him... One or two good games "does not a good NFL player make".

Edited October 20, 2015 by bioLarzen

[FastEddie]

If there can be one positive from this season it is without a doubt signing Yanda. Raven for life.

[cushrinada1986]

Cant say it enough, we need speed to match Flaccos arm! Its great we have waller and maybe we can add another big bodied WR next year as well but we need speed, speed, and more speed to really allow flacco to sling it like we know he can. When we had jones, torrey, and boldin, it wasnt the best bunch of WRs but the combination of speed and reliability was what made Flacco 11tds to 0ints in the playoffs(not to mention as stellar run game). in 2016, if SSS retires, I say you release aiken and brown, hold on to givens and ross, waller, and camp and see how they work out in training camp but bring in young speedy talent from the draft. Flacco needs guys that can make DBs pay off the playaction and double move(like Smith did to Wright last game). Once we get that back you will see a Ravens offense that will be able to put the boots to other defenses and possibly give our defense more chances to just pin their ears back and go after the QB.

[bioLarzen]

I love Harbs but he is way too comfortable knowing that his job is not on the line no matter how bad the Ravens do this year.. Something needs to change with this team but unfortunately it's not going too..

 

His job security is hardly defined by how solid HE thinks it is

 

That said, I don't think he would be on the hot seat... Maybe, if we kept spiralling down... but I don't even think then he'd be fired...

 

But we don't know what Steve has in his head, do we?

Edited October 20, 2015 by bioLarzen

[salamander]

Since the season thus far has been an epic fail as far as the chances of the post season, I am hoping that all stubbornness, ego, smugness, denial, etc are stripped away enough that each person in the organization is held accountable to themselves and each other, then make meaningful changes. There are a multitude of issues to fix, starting with the HC, OC and DC, position coaches, scouts, Ozzie/FO, the list goes on. With Bisciotti at the helm, I think he will set the tone and make whatever changes are necessary. The big picture is to identify the core issues, make significant changes which will try to contain this disaster to this season. Some teams are able to isolate a really bad year, make changes and truly turn things around the next season. I pray that this is the case for the Ravens. I am relieved that we have solid ownership and I am trusting Steve to do whatever it takes to ensure that a some of the core problems do not carry over in to 2016. Waiting until the off-season to deal with some issues may be a bit too late it could come back to bite us in the behind next season.

Edited October 20, 2015 by salamander

[bioLarzen]

If there can be one positive from this season it is without a doubt signing Yanda. Raven for life.

 

I wold also call a possible high draft position a definite positive.

[FastEddie]

I wold also call a possible high draft position a definite positive.

 

I agree...it would be cool to see us take one of the flashy high draft value players for a change. Lot's of people mentioning Jalen Ramsey/Hargreaves or Stanley. No-brainers.

[AsianRice]

Like some have said, if anything positive about this losing season is signing Marshal Yanda for long term. It is by far the biggest signing for this year...a rare breed....

[Purple Dawg 96]

Congratulations Marshal, I SALUTE YOU!

[HoldingCall]

I didn't witness the reason Gilmore received a rating so low.

[Minionhunter]

Melvin is the one guy I was sad they cut. Something seems wrong with secondary coaching above and beyond the pass rush being gone. Someone said we have a punter as the cornerbacks coach, is that possibly true? If that is true, then maybe we should start examining position coaches.

 

It would appear Pees is a problem. The way I see it is that we have been trending down since the Superbowl (the Vegas saving blackout) when we nearly collapsed in the late game. 2013 down, 2014 last year playing the AFC south the weakest division in football seems to have covered up the secondary issues to some extent, and they are just rampant now. Either Pees is not good (IMHO) or he is doing the most amazing job of covering for impossibly poor talent and we have serious problems which cannot be corrected in even a few years of drafting. I think it is Pees.

 

Think about Dallas, they were poor with Rob Ryan, then worse with his legendary defensive coach replacement (but very old), then last year his replacement (done gracefully and with class by not embarrassing the guy by promoting him to a consultant role) took them to top of the line defense in the league. Everyone was saying it was the players, but it was not, it was the coaching. Harbs says it, they need to coach better, but he can't connect that Pees is the problem, maybe not a bad coach, but he can't coach well with this team. Something needs to change.

 

Belicheck was definitely taking a shot at us, just like Johnathan Kraft (who should have been punished by the leage for being critical of another team, but since he was being sarcastic in his comments, technically did not break the rules, which just proves the point of institutionalized cheating from team President to game day employee on that team). Even veiled in sarcasm the team president of an NFL franchise should not go out of his way to call another team's head coach and team "female dogs". That should have been punished. I personally think their family manipulates TV timesouts to gain an advantage and used it in the game vs us and also this year in the Denver and Oakland games to screw us in momentum. There is no rule when those timeouts are called, so since they control the contracts, they do so to help them and hurt key opponents. Technically they have done nothing wrong under the rules, see the pattern?

Edited October 20, 2015 by Minionhunter

[Minionhunter]

Means instead of Diggs in the draft is biting us now.

[CaliRavenFan]

His job security is hardly defined by how solid HE thinks it is

That said, I don't think he would be on the hot seat... Maybe, if we kept spiralling down... but I don't even think then he'd be fired...

But we don't know what Steve has in his head, do we?

I don't think Harbs should or will be fired, he's a great coach but unfortunately he doesn't know when to cut ties with his coordinator's.. Maybe we can get lucky enough our players stand up like the Dolphins Defense did and force Pees to step down