[News] John Harbaugh Addresses Late-Game Urgency

[rmcjacket23]

"The QB is supposed to be the leader of the team. When your QB is throwing two interceptions per game, it is obvious that he is not committed or invested in winning. That poor attitude and level of commitment is filtering down through the entire team. Harbaugh needs to get a handle on it quick.

wrong. It's not a problem with attitude or commitment. It's simply a lack of execution mixed with a tough string of injuries. add in a tough start to the schedule . And it's kind of funny to say that he's not invested in winning when he's tied with manning for the most wins in the nfl since 2008. That's over Brady, Rogers, and so on."

Flacco's so called win total is one of the most misleading statistics in sports. You know as they say "statistics is like a bikini, it shows a lot but it does show everything" Flacco is a beneficiary of a great defense that ranked in the top 10 for about a decade. Flacco never carried the defense. The defense carried Flacco. The best segment of Flacco's career was the 2012 playoff run. In fact most will argue that, that was his only good run. Flacco is not going to carry any team. If you believe that, you will be continually disappointed.

He's not supposed to carry anybody, just like Rodgers isn't and Brady isn't.

 

Everytime those guys have to carry their team, they don't win SBs. Its not a coincidence.

 

Joe's always been the type of QB who needs quality players around him, particularly on offense. He doesn't need a great defense, because he hasn't had one in at least 3-4 years now, and he's still excelled in the playoffs despite not having it.

 

The big quandary that nobody can get their head around is that the FO has to know that Joe can't win games by himself, and yet while their intentions might have been good, they allowed the offense to be in shambles from a talent perspective like it is.

 

But that's almost become a secondary issue at this point, because the secondary needs almost a total redo.

[Ravensfansince03]

What we are seeing right now is the effect of Ozzie trading away Ngata

 

 

I know some of you are thinking "no, one person couldn't cause this D to collapse". 

 

But yes, it did. When Ozzie/Harbaugh gave away Ngata they also stripped this defense of leadership. Suggs damn near said it himself but he knows he cannot bite the hand that feeds him.

 

We are the fans and we have the freedom to speak the truth and our opinions. And im telling you guys now that giving away Ngata was a big reason for this teams (defense) collapse. That's why they keep breaking in the 4th quarter, no one is there to keep these young guys and also immature guys heads straight, as well as lead by example.

 

Then throw in the fact that we don't have Suggs, recipe for disaster.

 

No man is perfect and it was childish of us to think that Ozzie would continue to develop this team without error. I think he just got lazy honestly. But this 1-5 is a great wake up call.

 

I know Ozzie will bounce this team back.

 

P.S. if Perriman gets injured again early next season we might as well just cut him and keep it moving.

 

Where are the morons that kept saying last season that "we should release Ngata because he is too old/slow"

 

I guess now you see the effect, our D-linemen are getting stood up at the line and RB's are running right up the middle.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Ravensfansince03

[captainwolfe]

we are now an undiciplined bunch , seems every game we have 100 yds in pentalies, stupid falling backwards interceptions, dropped passes, lining up off sides, over throwing 5 yard passes, late hits, lack of hustle at end of games letting torrey leave, challenging plays on a whim, using timeouts carelessly, giving up 400 yds to players who have never been in that catagory, dropping easy interceptions, There is no fire in anybody, they seem to all have harbs attitude oh well, we have to get better, we are trying very hard, but thats life............

[rmcjacket23]

This team ranks almost dead last in cap space. Meaning we have players making a hell of a lot of money. Yet we are 1-5

Significant dead money for Rice and Ngata don't help that. I believe they account for over 10% of the total salary cap figure.

[rmcjacket23]

What we are seeing right now is the effect of Ozzie trading away Ngata

Ummm.... how exactly? Our run defense is practically unchanged. I don't know a single realistic person on this planet who thinks this team is a Haloti Ngata-type player away from being a winning football team.

 

I don't even see which game he helps us win to be honest.

Edited October 20, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[stixfix69]

This organization has lost drafted and undrafted gems to contracts we just can't pay in the past, and how many HC, at one time or another has had ties to the Ravens Organization??? I think it speaks volumes on how we do draft, and sign undrafted players....Carl Davis looks to be the next stud so far...Brandon Williams is going to demand big time money as he is one of the top NT in the league, and that is the key to any 3-4 defense...KO will be hard to keep, so those who question Oz, really need to look at the history of his picks, most notable the mid to late round picks.....JMO....

[Crusader]

Ravens might beat Jacksonville and cleavland.

[stixfix69]

Not sure to many teams have been hit with the injury bug over the last 2 seasons as we have, yet we still put a team on the field that can compete...Yeah the losing part stinks, but when you have new faces in the line-up every week it makes it hard to really gel, and i will say that Pees hasn't been doing the D a lot of favors by some of his very suspect play calling....

[stixfix69]

Crusader as long as we beat Pit at home is all that matters, we could finish 2-14, as long as both wins are against Pit...

[Ravensfolyfe]

The ship is sinking quick grab your life jackets.

[Ravensfansince03]

That was a compounded set of issues starting with coaching (burning a timeout early, horrible challenge) and made worse by the lackadaisical manner of the O-Line. We are paying Monroe and Zuttah good money for their very average play, but this is unacceptable. Ozzie better force some hard personalities on this team. Put a Wally or a Zeus on that line and see a sense of urgency.

 

The difference between Monroe/Zuttah & Osemele/Yanda......

 

Osemele & Yanda were both drafted by us and understand what being a Raven is by blood. 

 

Monroe & Zuttah are free agent signings. I don't expect much consistency from them.

[Ravensfansince03]

Significant dead money for Rice and Ngata don't help that. I believe they account for over 10% of the total salary cap figure.

 

Honestly, if any team was to bring Rice back, it should have been us. Seemed like Ozzie/Biscotti/Harbaugh were all just being cowards scared of the media and didn't want to give Rice a 2nd chance. It was their baggage they let go, they would have been the bigger man to bring him back and show the world that they do care.

 

Im obviously a huge fan of Ray Lewis for life, but I didn't;t like his comments on the Rice incident during one Monday night post analysis. Seemed like he threw Rice under the bus, when it was really none of his business.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Ravensfansince03

[Ravensfansince03]

Why does Harbaugh keep saying "We'll find a way to win". Does he think we're stupid? lol

[Flamengo1265]

There is no more urgency....do SSS a solid and trade him to a contender, put Perriman on IR and bring up a couple guys from the practice squad (Butler and Brown). Put Arthur Brown on the field, if he can play, good, if not, release him. IF Brooks is hurt, put him on IR and bring up Perry, let's see if he can play. If the Ravens aren't going to the playoffs they might as well get a high draft pick.

[Ravensfansince03]

The ship is sinking quick grab your life jackets.

 

I honestly jumped ship after that home loss to the Browns Lol. 

 

I used to be so pumped for this team, and get so angry when we would lose!! But now I feel nothing. We have nothing to root for, and therefore nothing to lose.

 

That's how I look at it.

[stixfix69]

I think Zuttah has been a stud at center for us,ever since we picked him up....JMO....

[Ravensfansince03]

Ummm.... how exactly? Our run defense is practically unchanged. I don't know a single realistic person on this planet who thinks this team is a Haloti Ngata-type player away from being a winning football team.

 

I don't even see which game he helps us win to be honest.

 

Ngata brought leadership/experience/toughness, and need I say 6-foot-4 345lbs.

 

Regardless dude, even Suggs indirectly called it a dumb move.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Ravensfansince03

[rmcjacket23]

Honestly, if any team was to bring Rice back, it should have been us. Seemed like Ozzie/Biscotti/Harbaugh were all just being cowards scared of the media and didn't want to give Rice a 2nd chance. It was their baggage they let go, they would have been the bigger man to bring him back and show the world that they do care.

 

Im obviously a huge fan of Ray Lewis for life, but I didn't;t like his comments on the Rice incident during one Monday night post analysis. Seemed like he threw Rice under the bus, when it was really none of his business.

He's not very good anymore. Risk is unbelievably higher than the reward.

 

The right decision was made, even if it was a few months late.

[Ravensfansince03]

He's not very good anymore. Risk is unbelievably higher than the reward.

 

The right decision was made, even if it was a few months late.

 

Oh not now. Of course its too late. But I always felt like they had a chance last off season to do it

Edited October 20, 2015 by Ravensfansince03

[rmcjacket23]

Ngata brought leadership/experience/toughness, and need I say 6-foot-4 345lbs.

 

Regardless dude, even Suggs indirectly called it a dumb move.

Cool, we've got plenty of experience on defense, and if you're looking for companionship, you should get a dog.

 

Suggs indirectly calls everything a dumb move when he doesn't like it. He wasn't happy when we didn't resign any number of guys who went elsewhere and sucked.

 

They are mostly his friends after all.

[rmcjacket23]

Oh not now. Of course its too late. But I always felt like they had a chance last off season to do it

Nothing changed. He wasn't good then and he isn't good now.

 

He really offers nothing to this team to be honest.

[Ravensfansince03]

Cool, we've got plenty of experience on defense, and if you're looking for companionship, you should get a dog.

 

Suggs indirectly calls everything a dumb move when he doesn't like it. He wasn't happy when we didn't resign any number of guys who went elsewhere and sucked.

 

They are mostly his friends after all.

 

Dude your really going to defend this defense right now? This defense that almost ranks dead last

[Ravensfansince03]

Nothing changed. He wasn't good then and he isn't good now.

 

He really offers nothing to this team to be honest.

 

You would know huh. Last I checked we had no O-line his last season. No RB was good that season.

 

 

4th & 29  just in case you forgot..

Edited October 20, 2015 by Ravensfansince03

[rmcjacket23]

Dude your really going to defend this defense right now? This defense that almost ranks dead last

Yes, because they aren't ranking dead last due to a lack of experience or "companionship".

 

Can you honestly say that you think this team wins even one more game with Ngata on it? I don't see how anybody can logically make that argument.

[rmcjacket23]

You would know huh. Last I checked we had no O-line his last season. No RB was good that season.

 

 

4th & 29  just in case you forgot..

Check the stats... pretty steady decline in production from 2011 to 2012 and from 2012 to 2013. Exact same kind of trend you'd expect from an aging RB.

 

I don't care about 4th and 29. No smart franchise pays an aging player for something he did in the past. Stop living in it.

[Ravensfansince03]

Check the stats... pretty steady decline in production from 2011 to 2012 and from 2012 to 2013. Exact same kind of trend you'd expect from an aging RB.

 

I don't care about 4th and 29. No smart franchise pays an aging player for something he did in the past. Stop living in it.

 

Who's living in it? lol

 

You don't care about 4th & 29 but I bet you liked that Super Bowl win

[rmcjacket23]

Who's living in it? lol

 

You don't care about 4th & 29 but I bet you liked that Super Bowl win

Yup, I did. And I'm not interested in paying somebody in 2015 for something that happened three years ago. That makes no sense.

 

Once 2013 began, I moved on from 2012.

[January J]

Cool, we've got plenty of experience on defense, and if you're looking for companionship, you should get a dog.

 

Suggs indirectly calls everything a dumb move when he doesn't like it. He wasn't happy when we didn't resign any number of guys who went elsewhere and sucked.

 

They are mostly his friends after all.

how I know Ravens nation is really out of whack right now - I've actually agreed with almost everything you've posted over the last week or so. A rare occurrence.

[Grapple Raven]

The cap benefits everybody. It keeps at least a semblance of parody in the league, which makes the league itself more relevant and thus generates more revenue. Without it, there would be no revenue sharing amongst the owners, many teams would contract, and the league would be dominated by about a half dozen teams in the league every year.

 

And given that the Ravens are basically a small-to-mid-size market in the grand scheme of things, we wouldn't be one of those teams.

 

Every team in the league has the same problem retaining all of their players.

 

I think you meant parity, which is the state or condition of being equal, especially regarding economic status or pay, and not parody which is deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.  Although I did find that quite amusing.

[rmcjacket23]

I think you meant parity, which is the state or condition of being equal, especially regarding economic status or pay, and not parody which is deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.  Although I did find that quite amusing.

Mobile auto-correct. My mistake.