[News] Torrey Smith, Anquan Boldin React To Torching Former Team

[Dfence4champs2052]

I think you're letting his playoff performance that year cloud your memory.  He was 65 of 112 for 921 yds and 4 TDs with less than ~80yds in half of his games and only 2 over 100yds during the 2012 season.  He was 22 of 36 for 380yds and 4TD in the playoffs - a huge increase over his season performance.  And a pace he has not come close to sustaining since then.

 

Q is far from "tearing it up" with the 49ers.   They targeted a defender they knew extremely well (they even said so themselves) and exploited his weaknesses and tendencies.  Good for them.

 

He's had a 90 catch, 1000 yard season there.........never topped 1,000 with us. Not tearing it up, but he's a special player still.

[Russell_St_Bullies]

We've had great memories with these two, and like most have already written - cap made it difficult to hold on to both. Oz wasn't sleep behind the wheel, with the 1st pick of the draft he went and got a speed WR (which is very unlike him, however he knew we needed that speed). As insurance, he got D.Waller - a huge 6'6 project who has 4.4 40 speed to learn from SSSr, and compete against Aiken, Brown, and Camp. You just can not predict injuries.

A healthy O-line (with Monroe not going out early week 1), our run game would not have suffered due to the terrible play of James "Worst" Hurst... You get Perriman (who we all expected to be healthy) to play a big role with SSSr, and Aiken... and then you have the already good play of our TE's and instantly you have a solid offense. Perspective people... We would have built a solid offense with youth and for cheap, which is smart with SSSr planning retirement and the young guys (Waller and Perriman) with a good year under them and ready to take bigger roles. (And this is just the offense... the defense needs a new coordinator.... we have too much talent to have so many out of position players and horrible technique and discipline on that side of the ball).

[DMH_in_WA]

He's had a 90 catch, 1000 yard season there.........never topped 1,000 with us. Not tearing it up, but he's a special player still.

Never said he wasn't, but the post I responded to categorized him as "tearing it up" and the stats don't support that. Same with Torrey.

I like Q, but if he was making $7mil on the Ravens right now with the year he was having coming into the last game, are you telling me these forums wouldn't be calling for his head about now?

[riseNConquer81]

I get so tired of this ... people making up things just to try and emphasize their point. If Torrey and Q were still Ravens right now with the stats they currently have these forums would be calling for their heads.

They both had excellent games against a completely injury depleted secondary. This idea about "injuries don't matter" needs to stop. There are reasons that people are 3rd string, 4th string, on the practice squad or cut by other teams. No, they are not good enough in most cases to play at the level of 1st and 2nd string starters.

If you look at both these guys in the 5 games before their game against the Ravens:

Torrey - 11 of 19 for 127 yards (25.4yds/game) and 1 Touchdown

Q - 23 of 47 for 231 yards (46.2yds/game) and 2 Touchdowns (and 107yds and 1 TD came against the Giants)

To put it another way, Kamar Aiken had more production than they did leading into the game against the Ravens. People need to stop acting like the team that is on the field for the Ravens is the one that the FO envisioned or built.

the part youre skipping though, is that Joe is a better quarterback than Kaepernick and both their stats would consequently be better. and fans might still be calling for their heads: but they would be wrong as usual, and we would at least be winning. you're focused on the wrong things.

[Dfence4champs2052]

Never said he wasn't, but the post I responded to categorized him as "tearing it up" and the stats don't support that. Same with Torrey.

I like Q, but if he was making $7mil on the Ravens right now with the year he was having coming into the last game, are you telling me these forums wouldn't be calling for his head about now?

You implied he wasn't doing anything.

[DMH_in_WA]

the part youre skipping though, is that Joe is a better quarterback than Kaepernick and both their stats would consequently be better. and fans might still be calling for their heads: but they would be wrong as usual, and we would at least be winning. you're focused on the wrong things.

That's subjective and trying to extrapolate. I'm talking about what is/was. I think Joe is a better QB too, but basing any of this on what I think would happen is just wishful thinking. There is no way you can say, "If we had Boldin right now we'd be winning." Well, you could, but what does that really mean?

[DMH_in_WA]

You implied he wasn't doing anything.

I didn't imply anything, I stated clearly that he is far from "tearing it up" this season. If you can look at his record this year and put him in the "tearing it up" category, then I think you've got that bar set way too low. He's averaging 55yds/game right now (even with the game against Baltimore) and that's going to go down again this week as he was 3 for 39yds tonight.

At this point, if I had to choose, I'd take SSS over Q for what he can do.

[Dfence4champs2052]

I didn't imply anything, I stated clearly that he is far from "tearing it up" this season. If you can look at his record this year and put him in the "tearing it up" category, then I think you've got that bar set way too low. He's averaging 55yds/game right now (even with the game against Baltimore) and that's going to go down again this week as he was 3 for 39yds tonight.

At this point, if I had to choose, I'd take SSS over Q for what he can do.

 

Did not say he was tearing it up either. I said he had a 90 catch, 1,000 yard season after he got there. I didn't even address this abomination of a season. 

[riseNConquer81]

That's subjective and trying to extrapolate. I'm talking about what is/was. I think Joe is a better QB too, but basing any of this on what I think would happen is just wishful thinking. There is no way you can say, "If we had Boldin right now we'd be winning." Well, you could, but what does that really mean?

thats not subjective at all, Flacco is an unquestionably superior quarterback.

not wishful thinking either, more offensive talent equals more points, only a few of which we've lost each of our games by. This is common sense. you're just selling yourself the idea that playmakers on offense wouldnt make all the difference right now in order to feel better about the losing record, which is fine if that's what you want to do, but dont try to sell that fiction as fact to everyone else.

[DMH_in_WA]

thats not subjective at all, Flacco is an unquestionably superior quarterback.

not wishful thinking either, more offensive talent equals more points, only a few of which we've lost each of our games by. This is common sense. you're just selling yourself the idea that playmakers on offense wouldnt make all the difference right now in order to feel better about the losing record, which is fine if that's what you want to do, but dont try to sell that fiction as fact to everyone else.

Q's gamelogs for the last couple of years with SanFran look remarkably similar to his gamelogs with the Ravens in the regular season. If he had remained in Baltimore, it's a pretty good bet that we'd never have picked up Steve Smith Sr. and SSS has outperformed Q in pretty much every statistical measure compared to his time in both Baltimore and SanFran. If you want to sit here and convince yourself that with Q on the team we would be winning despite SSS completely outperforming him now (and in comparison to previous years with SF and Baltimore), that's fine but doesn't mean I'm somehow taking your wishful thinking as fact.

[riseNConquer81]

Q's gamelogs for the last couple of years with SanFran look remarkably similar to his gamelogs with the Ravens in the regular season. If he had remained in Baltimore, it's a pretty good bet that we'd never have picked up Steve Smith Sr. and SSS has outperformed Q in pretty much every statistical measure compared to his time in both Baltimore and SanFran. If you want to sit here and convince yourself that with Q on the team we would be winning despite SSS completely outperforming him now (and in comparison to previous years with SF and Baltimore), that's fine but doesn't mean I'm somehow taking your wishful thinking as fact.

His game logs in SF are actually better than his in Baltimore, which only adds to the absurdity of your position.

assuming we never signed Smith Senior if Anquan stayed in Baltimore is slippery slope. Those events are too far removed from each other, and there are too many variable circumstances between them to draw a direct relationship between the two events. You dont know how the drafts wouldve gone, you dont know what wouldve happened with Torrey, you dont know if Anquan maintains his plans and retires at the end of his contract, you cant say for sure that we wouldnt sign Steve Smith if Anquan were still here and cant even point to anything that serves as a good reason to believe that. Smith Senior is a steal for the production he's yielding, Ozzie wouldnt look the other way when Carolina makes the major mistake of dropping a guy like that, especially when he has thus far struggled to get Joe decent weapons outside of free agency. your "pretty good bet" isnt even really half way decent.

Stats arent everything, shouldnt need to tell you that. Smith Senior has statistical superiority, but thats got more to do with a difference in skill set and play style, and (this year) force feeding due to a lack of other viable targets. Smith senior is smaller, shiftier, and quicker than Anquan, he gets open more easily, is harder to tackle, and makes people miss. Anquan's style is more physical, brute force is the foundation of his success, he's not gonna get as much after catch Run as Smith Senior, naturally he'll typically have less yards under similar usage. That doesnt make him a bad player or inferior to Smith Senior. That also doesnt mean that Anquan couldnt help us win. And regardless of who's "outperforming" (that's subjective, especially the way you define it which is solely by yardage, because if you were paying any attention to the important and less meaninglessly inflated stats: FDs, TDs, Receptions, you wouldnt be saying either is outperforming the other since those stats are identical) who, the idea that we wouldnt be better for having BOTH of them on the field is complete nonsense. Smith Senior is doing what he's doing in pretty much constant triple coverage, how could we perform worse if opposing defenses actually had another receiver they had to bother covering?

your analysis is very narrow minded and ignores pretty much all variables.

And stop trying to dismiss every bit of sound reasoning and logic that breaks your flawed viewpoint as "wishful thinking."

spamming that term is not a substitute for a proper rebuttal.

Edited October 26, 2015 by riseNConquer81