[News] Late For Work 10/19: 10 Takeaways From Ravens-49ers

[EddiOK]

Between the Cubs winning their first World Series in over 100 years, and the Ravens having an 8-8 season--my $$'s on the Cubbies. It's that bad.

[EddiOK]

OK, I was venting. This is a year of adversity, and we're going to come through it. But we need to make sure we're learning the lessons we need to learn along the way. And it still doesn't seem like we're at that spot where we're learning them. Same stupid mistakes, bad mechanics, dumb penalties, and poor decisions as last week(s).

[salamander]

Silence in the locker room? Having witnessed my offense just give up at the end of the game, lacking urgency to get to the line to attempt game winning plays, I cannot comprehend not being furious and verbal over something so intolerable right then and there. An attitude lacking urgency is something worthy of raising hell about in that locker room. Not even a high school coach would let that slide. Silent and disappointed is not enough to change the deteriorating culture.

Edited October 19, 2015 by salamander

[Ravenshine]

@EddiOK - yes, agree...there's always hope and something to learn. What pulls a team out of a rut is confidence and positive mindset. That's why I complain about the fans lately. Being negative solves nothing. I come here to read and it's all negative...you'd think this team can't even get a down. Of course they get downs (no 7 in NFL in total offensive yards!), and our defense holds teams to under 6 points per game in score difference. All I see has happened is some mistakes yes, and a long losing steak.

[The Greek]

trade sss to a playoff contender so he gets a chance for a ring. he should not go down with this sinking ship if this is to be his final season.

[Puntit]

Honestly if we end up with a high first round pick and someone offers Ozzie something like a lower first round plus a second and third, I'd hope Ozzie does take it. We have more than 1-2 needs to fill. By my estimation we kind of need more than one pass rusher, two CBs, a WR and maybe a safety. And that assumes we resign KO and Tucker. So unless theres a specific Ray Lewis or Ed Reed or Ngata sitting right there when we pick (which is rare) absolutely trade a top five pick down to a top 20 pick and a few more early round picks. We won't hit gold on all of them and I'd rather have a couple extra shots in those first four rounds. The teams that move up for a top five player inevitably overpay and do worse than their trading partners.

FWIW PFT kind of suggested this morning that Pags might be on the chopping block after the awful play he called against the Pats last night. Wonder if he might want his old job back...

[The Greek]

new england will win the super bowl yet once again. i have to give belichek and brady their due credit because no matter what distractions they have they keep on rolling along. they know how to utilize their personnel and game plan to their strengths. no star rb's or receivers aside from gronk and their schemes work with these guys

[budman]

We as an organization are well known for "collecting" draft picks. We usually will not trade to get a player if it cost us a draft pick and I am not just talking about aged veterans, I'm talking about in the draft itself or a player that might have been accused of something etc. The point here is with all the draft picks we accumulate including compensatory picks, we really do not have a lot to show for it. Holding on to 4th, 5th round or even later picks means nothing if the pick is a miss. Looking back over the previous 6 or 7 drafts, alot of those guys we picked aren't even in the league anymore. With players leaving because of free agency all the time thoise picks have to work out and we must find a better way to keep depth at major positions.

[The Greek]

glad to see torrey and anquan stick it to ozzie

[WNC-Raven]

All I can say after seeing the field sink on Tucker is WOW! How can a league that is so concerned with player safety allow games to be played there. What if the best kicker in the league broke his ankle? They should be making a statement and suspend all games until the problem is fixed. Extreme? Maybe but how can it be a problem that can not be fixed? Poor contractors and oversight. redone 3 times already? Make an example

[PurpleRainBlackVeins]

@757RavensFan great question...how about it would at least give us a look at if our next DC is in house before next season starts and we find out the hard way. DUH!

[jdynamite]

What caught my eye, the most from this was when I saw ( the Ravens drafted a CB in the 4th round of the draft Trey Walker but he's not playing which means apparently they feel Sharence Wright is a better option ). If that's not an ouch moment.

If this team is going to continue to lose please get all the young guys some serious minutes. There's no reason to not walker or brooks heavily unless they are injured. Let them get minutes we've seen every member of this secondary torched with blown coverages.

I didn't expect Art Brown to play much this year but I felt that keeping him after preseason meant maybe they'd find some way to incorporate the kid into some game action. what was the point of keeping him?

[sami]

Rich Gannon is an idiot. He infuriated me thoughout the game with his so called "insight". If there wasn't a 5 second delay between the Ravens announcers and the TV I would have gladly turned him off.

[The Greek]

marlon brown been released yet?

[Baltimore Bandwagon]

Thank goodness JT didn't get hurt!!!

[Raven_Don]

LOL... some of you fans on are soooo funny... how can you be calling for Harbs job after one bad season??? Look its the law of averages... you can't be on top forever... should we be playing better yes... I promised I wasn't going to make any more comments until next season.. but I couldn't help myself with fair weather fans just turning on the team...LOL its laughable to be quite honest... The only person I feel sorry for is SSS... I was hoping that the team would send that great player out on top... he is on pace to beat last year's numbers... there are a lot of things to be changed.. the offense needs to stop being predictable.. we need to check out of runs when the defense shows blitz... or at least change formation to throw the defense off.. the defense was getting off the field on 3rd downs and kept Kap from rushing much but had some really bad defensive play calling... gave Hyde way to much respect that's why were getting killed on play action... no way a FB should have 89 receiving yards... and offense needs to get more aggressive use the TE's more... we have 3 solid TE's why not use them??? (especially in the red zone) And for the life of me I don't understand why the wait to get aggressive in the second half when you are behind? why not have the mind set through out...

[steelcityraven]

I don't blame this on Sharece Wright but I do question why we have him playing cover 1 vs their # 1 WR's (Boldin and TOrrey) and on many occasions with NO help over the top???? What??? were we looking for a scape goat? WHat could we have been thinking. Here is a guy (while I think better then he played) who has less then 1 week of preparation and we place him on an island vs Q and Torrey (like he is D Reevis) or something? What kind of Play calling is that? WHat could we have been thinking? THat is simply unexcusable and even after Sharece got burned for a TD... we did it too him 4 more times? Not only did we make a bad decision but we never adjusted after we got beat on a bad decision. IDK how anyone watches this stuff and doesn't walk away thinking that Pees is clueless?????? Unbeleiveable!

[jdynamite]

No one here enjoys watching the Ravens lose, but I don't seriously see how anyone could call this fan base spoiled etc ( unless they've just become fans within the last 7 years lol and even that's been a grind ). Sure the Ravens have made the playoffs 6 of 7 years under Harbaugh, but those weren't years came with plenty of nail-biting, grinding out games that determined us making playoffs etc. Over the 7 years we've often seen a team that would play down to competition occasionally and play with all their heart and effort versus team they seemed overmatched against. Before these years it was have a good year, have a down year, good year , down year. Some of those bad years is what allowed us to acquire talent like a Suggs or Ngata in the draft. It would be great to win 10 plus games every year, but sometimes its okay for a team to have one off year and retool.

In reality I would have expected that year to be last year after all of the offseason drama, coming off missing the playoffs but the team played hard through injuries and the most consistent offensive football we've ever seen.

[ravenwildman]

I saw a 2nd and 7 with the secondary backed up 7-9 yards...???? this is what makes me crazy, it's an easy 1st down or at least a manageable 3rd anyway you slice it, that's just dumb. Then I saw both safeties on the line, I yelled "no! easy TD to Boldin or Smith!" and of course Smith did just that. That.....is not smart football. Well, let's see what comes from this hardship, IMHO some of our guys will be better for this, some will not, and leave. GO RAVENS!

[jdynamite]

I don't blame this on Sharece Wright but I do question why we have him playing cover 1 vs their # 1 WR's (Boldin and TOrrey) and on many occasions with NO help over the top???? What??? were we looking for a scape goat? WHat could we have been thinking. Here is a guy (while I think better then he played) who has less then 1 week of preparation and we place him on an island vs Q and Torrey (like he is D Reevis) or something? What kind of Play calling is that? WHat could we have been thinking? THat is simply unexcusable and even after Sharece got burned for a TD... we did it too him 4 more times? Not only did we make a bad decision but we never adjusted after we got beat on a bad decision. IDK how anyone watches this stuff and doesn't walk away thinking that Pees is clueless?????? Unbeleiveable!

The same type of play calling that had my jaw dropped screaming as I saw FS K.Lewis lined up in man coverage with AJ Green the week before.

The secondary has looked so bad it reminds me of I think it was 2009. When we had Ivy, Frank walker, I think C.Carr also and Foxworth. I felt like if it was going to be a deep pass given up then Frank Walker would get a PI.

[RavensHawk]

I don't know who was at fault for this, but the Torrey Smith TD showed me that either Kendrick Lewis has no idea what he's doing in this defense, or Peas(sp?) made a terrible defensive call. When Torrey caught the long TD, there was no help over the top and K. Lewis was up at the line of scrimmage at the snap. I watched him drop back and hover at linebacker depth playing what looked like zone coverage while Shareece Wright was 1 on 1 with Torrey and got turned around on a double move. That's not the first time I've seen Kenrick Lewis so badly out of position, but I honestly don't know who to blame. If Lewis just doesn't know what he's doing, then I do not hesitate in labeling him the biggest mistake of this offseason. He was supposed to come in and solidify the secondary with a "ballhawking" style of play. If that was Peas' playcall, then I want to find a new D-Coordinator. Kendrick Lewis IS NOT Ed Reed. Reed could be at the line of scrimmage at the snap and somehow intercept a pass 45 yards down the field. That type of player isn't made by scheme...he was special. If Peas expects Lewis to be able to do those things because Reed did it for him, I laugh in his face.

[rmcjacket23]

I don't know who was at fault for this, but the Torrey Smith TD showed me that either Kendrick Lewis has no idea what he's doing in this defense, or Peas(sp?) made a terrible defensive call. When Torrey caught the long TD, there was no help over the top and K. Lewis was up at the line of scrimmage at the snap. I watched him drop back and hover at linebacker depth playing what looked like zone coverage while Shareece Wright was 1 on 1 with Torrey and got turned around on a double move. That's not the first time I've seen Kenrick Lewis so badly out of position, but I honestly don't know who to blame. If Lewis just doesn't know what he's doing, then I do not hesitate in labeling him the biggest mistake of this offseason. He was supposed to come in and solidify the secondary with a "ballhawking" style of play. If that was Peas' playcall, then I want to find a new D-Coordinator. Kendrick Lewis IS NOT Ed Reed. Reed could be at the line of scrimmage at the snap and somehow intercept a pass 45 yards down the field. That type of player isn't made by scheme...he was special. If Peas expects Lewis to be able to do those things because Reed did it for him, I laugh in his face.

My assumption, based on how the coaching staff reacted, was that everyone on the defense knew what the coverage was, and that Wright basically blew it. If you're playing man coverage with no help over the top, getting beat deep is not an option. You can give up a short or intermediate completion in front of you all day long, but you can't get beat deep.

 

Falling for a double move from a player who really only runs a small segment of routes is a gigantic mistake, regardless of whether there's help over the top or not.

[jdynamite]

Between the Cubs winning their first World Series in over 100 years, and the Ravens having an 8-8 season--my $$'s on the Cubbies. It's that bad.

I hope you're right. I can't stand 8-8 with middle of pack draft pick. This team doesn't have the fight or consistent effort like some of the Ravens teams under Billick that finished with losing records, while it was frustrating you knew this team left it on field every week.

That last drive pretty much summed up the effort as Rich Gannon lost his mind just like myself screaming as the seconds tick away on the clock and guys are barely jogging to the line.

Given the amount of talent we've lost in free agency over the years, one losing season with a top 7 type pick could help us reload some young talent, along with dead money leaving hopefully we see some drastic roster changes next season.

[Raveforlife19]

Anyone else notice the fact that the O runs a lot better when Joe calls the shots? Ie. the audible in the red zone yesterday and roll to pass to aiken/brown, or the bootleg keeper against the browns. We shouldnt underestimate Joes ability to run the O, hes an 8-year veteran and has been surrounded by mediocrity (especially this year) yet still wills the offense to put up 20-30 points a game. Yes, the INT's were stupid but only led to 6 points, and he was nearly perfect after the second one

[jdynamite]

new england will win the super bowl yet once again. i have to give belichek and brady their due credit because no matter what distractions they have they keep on rolling along. they know how to utilize their personnel and game plan to their strengths. no star rb's or receivers aside from gronk and their schemes work with these guys

Hate to say that myself. But they do find ways to get the best out of what ever skill position players they have. Switch up game plans weekly. Secondary question marks going into the season and they just keep rolling along.

[PalmBayRaven]

How lucky is Rasheen Melvin to go from a losing team to possibly Super Bowl contender? Watch him shine under Belichick.

[Fastynart]

There are just so many things wrong with this team it is hard to pick on any particular one. The defense got torched as usual but not as bad as when they gave up 30 points twice. Flacco gave the 49ers on easy td when he lofted that awful wounded bird striaght up into the air (off of his back foot AGAIN) right into the hands of the defense. For a guy in the league this long he sure still does stupid things. He had plenty of company contributing to this loss. Even the CBS announcers were incredulous over some of the crap going on. This team needs to clean house. Do any of you still think it is great that it is "Harbaugh's Team" now?

[WNC-Raven]

I understand fans frustration but there is no way we should fire one of the best head coaches in the league because he has his second bad season in 8 years. He is part of the problem but I guarantee he is working hard to fix it. He is probably sleeping in his office for crying out loud. Pees doesnt call Ravens smash mouth football and Tressman seems to have Joe all screwed up. No cap room = back up players starting when they shouldnt be. Their back ups are practice squad players. No leaders on the field. Joe has no confidence in his receivers besides SSS. Did I mention no cap room? If you follow all of our issues besides coaching they all lead back to cap room and all the dead money we have.

[hen826957]

I bet you no I guarantee you if these players were on another team like the likes of Kendrick Lewis, Will Hill, Jimmy Smith etc on defense they will be ballers and having a Pro Bowl year. Look at Darian Stewart, Ihedigo, etc they're having way more success there than here. So what in the world is they more dominant there and was average here it doesn't make sense. Something is going on with this organization and coaching. The coaching is not making the players able to succeed and it starts with John Harbaugh not recognizing the problem. Dean Pees is one of the worst defensive coordinators in the NFL right now. He let Wright go one on one with Torrey Smith who can easy pass him with no safety help is idiotic. I know the 49ers were saying to themself this is way to easy. The corners be 10 yards off the reciever I just don't get it. It seems they making it harder for themselves to win. It's not that hard to win if they make the play calls right and right decisions. Dean Pees has to be fired in order for this team to succeed. John Harbaugh do was right for the team.

[NCMan]

All I can say after seeing the field sink on Tucker is WOW! How can a league that is so concerned with player safety allow games to be played there. What if the best kicker in the league broke his ankle? They should be making a statement and suspend all games until the problem is fixed. Extreme? Maybe but how can it be a problem that can not be fixed? Poor contractors and oversight. redone 3 times already? Make an example

It might have something to do w/the swamp they built the place on.