Let's Complain about someone other than Joe.....

[redrum52]

because that won't support his argument.

Or maybe because the team was changing and Moss was a shell of himself in 09. Wasn't that the year Moss got traded and cut and Brady coming back from a major injury?

Moss might have been traded in 10. Too lazy to look up.

Edited January 24, 2016 by redrum52

[Tru11]

Why not compare him to 2009 Brady instead?

 

2009 Brady:  4,398 yards, 28 TD 13 INT  10-6 record

 

Not much difference at all

 

because brady just came back from a season ending injury and josh mcdaniels left to became the broncos HC.

so yeah things where not quite the same to make a fair comparison.

 

even so brady stats are still better.

they did make the play offs.

brady was still preforming at a pro bowl level unlike cassel.

 

So if you wanna use that year it would still support my argument.

 

Now do you have anymore questions regarding this?

[usmccharles]

because brady just came back from a season ending injury and josh mcdaniels left to became the broncos HC.

so yeah things where not quite the same to make a fair comparison.

even so brady stats are still better.

they did make the play offs.

brady was still preforming at a pro bowl level unlike cassel.

So if you wanna use that year it would still support my argument.

Now do you have anymore questions regarding this?

even 09 Brady had a significant better season.

[arnie_uk]

because brady just came back from a season ending injury and josh mcdaniels left to became the broncos HC.

so yeah things where not quite the same to make a fair comparison.

even so brady stats are still better.

they did make the play offs.

brady was still preforming at a pro bowl level unlike cassel.

So if you wanna use that year it would still support my argument.

Now do you have anymore questions regarding this?

the original post was cassell looked pretty good in the system.

Did he or did he not?

[usmccharles]

the original post was cassell looked pretty good in the system.

Did he or did he not?

Tru has already said cassel didn't look good. But the point becomes they still went 11-5. The bulls still won 50 plus games with out Jordan...

[arnie_uk]

Tru has already said cassel didn't look good. But the point becomes they still went 11-5. The bulls still won 50 plus games with out Jordan...

how did he not look good? Those are good stats, they won 11 games. That was a good season for him, and he's done nothing since.

[usmccharles]

how did he not look good? Those are good stats, they won 11 games. That was a good season for him, and he's done nothing since.

because he is comparing him to Brady....

[flynismo]

because brady just came back from a season ending injury and josh mcdaniels left to became the broncos HC.

so yeah things where not quite the same to make a fair comparison.

 

even so brady stats are still better.

they did make the play offs.

brady was still preforming at a pro bowl level unlike cassel.

 

So if you wanna use that year it would still support my argument.

 

Now do you have anymore questions regarding this?

 

Why get your underoos in a wad? Just saying, really wasn't a big difference is stats or wins. Cassell coming off the bench, with Brady having 8 years already in the system, and there wasn't a significant difference. Nobody is saying Cassell is as good as Brady. But people are saying that system and supporting cast can make anyone look good. Cassell is proof of that.

[beanfigger]

can i ask compared to who did he look good in that system.

 

he was alright but compared to what brady did he looked pretty avg lol.

 

compare brady stats in 2007 to those of cassel in 2008 and tell me he still looked pretty darn good.

 

same players , same system -> worlds apart in production.

 

cassel might have looked good compared to most QBs in the NFL but compared to brady it was avg at best.

 

Compared to himself out of that system. That's the whole point. Cassel was much, much better in that system than in other systems, especially considering he was getting full-time first-team reps with other teams for entire offseasons in the other systems. FreeBrady is leagues better than Cassel, but he, too, would be worse out of that system (not Cassel-bad, but not as great as he is with the Pats). He is helped by that system, no doubt. It is the absolute perfect system for him, and he is probably the absolute perfect quarterback for that system. The both need each other, which is why FreeBrady is the only guy constantly being extended through this whole run of Pats dominance. Not since Montana with Walsh has there been a better marriage of system and QB than Bill and FreeBrady. I'm not saying FreeBrady wouldn't be great outside that system, but I highly doubt he would be one of the all-time best with another team. If Bledsoe never got hurt, or they didn't win that Superbowl (thanks to the Tuck Game), there might be a different story completely for the guy. Imagine if he was the one that got let go instead of Bledsoe and he ended up with the Bills (then) or Cowboys (then) or...gulp...Browns. Yikes!

[GrimCoconut]

I love how the thread title is misleading.

[BmoreRavens732]

I'm not going to dent he can't play here, but when I watch the Pats, the play calling makes it so easy for him. 90 percent of his throws seem like three step drops and go no more than 8 yards past the line of scrimmage.

He does that extremely well because he has a quick drop and exquisite accuracy, but he doesn't seem to be asked to do a lot else.

Exactly!! I been saying this for years now! He's nothing more then a system quarterback. Take him out the system and he's average maybe less.

[Tru11]

Why get your underoos in a wad? Just saying, really wasn't a big difference is stats or wins. Cassell coming off the bench, with Brady having 8 years already in the system, and there wasn't a significant difference. Nobody is saying Cassell is as good as Brady. But people are saying that system and supporting cast can make anyone look good. Cassell is proof of that.

 

but there was a difference and it was big.

 

stop trying to act like it was not so because it does not suit your perspective.

 

please tell me how this system worked in denver with orton and tebow.

heck tell me how this system worked out for cassel with chiefs lol.

 

Compared to himself out of that system. That's the whole point. Cassel was much, much better in that system than in other systems, especially considering he was getting full-time first-team reps with other teams for entire offseasons in the other systems. FreeBrady is leagues better than Cassel, but he, too, would be worse out of that system (not Cassel-bad, but not as great as he is with the Pats). He is helped by that system, no doubt. It is the absolute perfect system for him, and he is probably the absolute perfect quarterback for that system. The both need each other, which is why FreeBrady is the only guy constantly being extended through this whole run of Pats dominance. Not since Montana with Walsh has there been a better marriage of system and QB than Bill and FreeBrady. I'm not saying FreeBrady wouldn't be great outside that system, but I highly doubt he would be one of the all-time best with another team. If Bledsoe never got hurt, or they didn't win that Superbowl (thanks to the Tuck Game), there might be a different story completely for the guy. Imagine if he was the one that got let go instead of Bledsoe and he ended up with the Bills (then) or Cowboys (then) or...gulp...Browns. Yikes!

 

no he wasent.

 

cassel had 3 horrible seasons with chiefs in that same system.

 

only in 2013 with the vikes did he play in the different system namely the west coast and then this season in the air croyell  with the cowboys.

 

he has been just as bad lol.

[Tru11]

Tru has already said cassel didn't look good. But the point becomes they still went 11-5. The bulls still won 50 plus games with out Jordan...

 

how many titles did the bulls win without jordan?

 

cassel ran the system with chiefs.

 

he was horrible 3 out of 4 years lel.

 

he had more bad seasons in the system then good ones ....

[usmccharles]

how many titles did the bulls win without jordan?

 

cassel ran the system with chiefs.

 

he was horrible 3 out of 4 years lel.

 

he had more bad seasons in the system then good ones ....

Yea he did look bad on the Chiefs, but i wont say its the same system if Belichick wasnt there. 

[Tru11]

Yea he did look bad on the Chiefs, but i wont say its the same system if Belichick wasnt there. 

 

 

Its the same system lol.

 

also Belichick is an Defensive minded coach.

he has no background at all on the offensive side of the field unless you wanna count the 1 year he was a WR coach in 1977 with the lions.

 

the man is a genius when it comes to defense but the offense is more credited to charlie weis who installed it and mcdaniels who have ran in for most of the year bar his stint as a HC.

Obrien then ran the show.

[usmccharles]

Its the same system lol.

 

also Belichick is an Defensive minded coach.

he has no background at all on the offensive side of the field unless you wanna count the 1 year he was a WR coach in 1977 with the lions.

 

the man is a genius when it comes to defense but the offense is more credited to charlie weis who installed it and mcdaniels who have ran in for most of the year bar his stint as a HC.

Obrien then ran the show.

I wonder if McDaniels is just going to wait till Bill is gone or if he actually will take another HC job

[Tru11]

I wonder if McDaniels is just going to wait till Bill is gone or if he actually will take another HC job

 

i think he still is going to take some time to learn the ropes.

 

his broncos stint was terrible to say the least lol.

 

i wonder if bill is going to stick around after brady reitres or if he is going to leave on a high note.

if he stays and the next QB does not produce it might tarnish his legacy for instance.

then again if he stays and they dont miss a beat it might tarnish that of brady lel.

 

gonna be really interesting in a few years from now.

[usmccharles]

i think he still is going to take some time to learn the ropes.

 

his broncos stint was terrible to say the least lol.

 

i wonder if bill is going to stick around after brady reitres or if he is going to leave on a high note.

if he stays and the next QB does not produce it might tarnish his legacy for instance.

then again if he stays and they dont miss a beat it might tarnish that of brady lel.

 

gonna be really interesting in a few years from now.

Yea i was thinking Bill and Brady take the Phil Jackson and MJ route and leave on a high note, but i do think Brady has another 5 years playing, sadly.  He has only had one major injury which didnt affect him long term, he doesnt get hit much (except today lol).  We are going to have a tough time in the AFC for the next couple years with these young teams, Raiders, Jags, Colts, etc...

[Tru11]

Yea i was thinking Bill and Brady take the Phil Jackson and MJ route and leave on a high note, but i do think Brady has another 5 years playing, sadly.  He has only had one major injury which didnt affect him long term, he doesnt get hit much (except today lol).  We are going to have a tough time in the AFC for the next couple years with these young teams, Raiders, Jags, Colts, etc...

 

meh he is 38 now.

 

i think 2 years tops before the decline sets in.

 

he cant beat age without cheating.

 

then again if there is 1 person who would find away to cheat its him lel

 

we should be a play off team as long as flacco is around and anything can happen once that starts.

flacco is hitting his prime now so i think we are fine.

[usmccharles]

meh he is 38 now.

 

i think 2 years tops before the decline sets in.

 

he cant beat age without cheating.

 

then again if there is 1 person who would find away to cheat its him lel

 

we should be a play off team as long as flacco is around and anything can happen once that starts.

flacco is hitting his prime now so i think we are fine.

I think we are fine as in a playoff team, but i think the competition is going to get better in the AFC.  Im very interested to see what happens with the Broncos, a defense like that you only need a game manager. 

[Tru11]

I think we are fine as in a playoff team, but i think the competition is going to get better in the AFC.  Im very interested to see what happens with the Broncos, a defense like that you only need a game manager. 

true.

 

on another note , ed dickson and micheal oher about to win their 2nd SB lel

[usmccharles]

true.

 

on another note , ed dickson and micheal oher about to win their 2nd SB lel

Kind of makes me feel bad for SSr

[Tru11]

Kind of makes me feel bad for SSr

 

yeah man.

 

think he deserved 1 for sure.

[usmccharles]

yeah man.

 

think he deserved 1 for sure.

Wish we could of had him and Ray on the team ast the same time

[Tru11]

Wish we could of had him and Ray on the team ast the same time

yeah man.

if there is 1 guy who plays like a raven its him.

i rather had we traded for him then boldin back then tbh but he i knew it was a pipe dream.

i feel bad he had to play most of his career with crappy QBs.....

[usmccharles]

yeah man.

if there is 1 guy who plays like a raven its him.

i rather had we traded for him then boldin back then tbh but he i knew it was a pipe dream.

i feel bad he had to play most of his career with crappy QBs.....

Having SSr back then? i honestly feel we would have another ring, now im curious on how much he would have cost then

[Tru11]

Having SSr back then? i honestly feel we would have another ring, now im curious on how much he would have cost then

 

probably some higher picks.

 

he was the panthers offense lol.

 

then again he was banged up at the time.

 

cant remember his contract details though.

[playlikeawhat]

SATIRE:

 

I got a complaint about something other than Joe.  The AFC North division & lack of above average pass-catching crew.  Why does Joe have to play in a division where at least 3 teams regularly make the playoffs?  Why not have the NFL trade the Steelers and Bengals for weaker AFC franchises so Joe can look like a fraudulent QB god?  It would clearly be ok with fans and media reps since we have historical accounts of this happening with no protest.  Peyton & Tom are prime examples of this.  Andrew Luck is following suit in a STILL weak AFC South.  Cam Newton finally got a taste of what it's like to be the best of a mostly mediocre or worse division.

 

If the NFL made the Ravens the only competitive team of the AFC North, Joe can carve up weak divisional teams year after year and scoop a few more rings and undue praise in the process.  We've all seen how being the most winning QB in the league's toughest division for years can get you krapped on.  That's clearly not the answer.  Relocate the Steelers and Bengals.  Move in some bottom-rung teams so Joe can be a lock for 5-6 divisional wins then frequently grab 5+ outside the North with soft schedules.  When someone rightfully questions us about the strength of schedule we shrug it off and pretend it's not a factor. 

 

While we're at it, let's also consistently equip Joe with at least 3 stellar pass catchers every year instead of 1-2 for pieces of a season.  Oh and when Joe gets exposed against tough teams with prime-Wayne, Harrison, Garcon and Clark caliber catchers, remember to coddle him with excuses and pretend he's still the best.  C'mon, Goodell & co.  Make it easy for Joe so he can become the next "elite" fraud.

[ellicottraven]

I dont see where to post to ask this, can one please tell me when pitta is allowed to be on the field and able to play

Regardless of whether he can play or not, he will not play period. He had fully guaranteed money last year, so why would he risk it? This year the only way we save some cap space is to cut him after June 1st which we'll do.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

yeah man.

if there is 1 guy who plays like a raven its him.

i rather had we traded for him then boldin back then tbh but he i knew it was a pipe dream.

i feel bad he had to play most of his career with crappy QBs.....

 

There were strong rumors that we wanted/was going to trade for him back in 2011 when Torrey looked bad in the preseason but we traded for Lee Evans instead.Can you imagine if we had Smitty,Boldin and Torrey in 2011 and 2012?I don't think Torrey would've been as productive or maybe even evolved into the player he is today,but it's something that's been on my mind since Lee Evans dropped that ball.