Let's Complain about someone other than Joe.....

[rmcjacket23]

If Ngata is getting paid 16 mil per next year(which was his cap last year and would have been his cap this year), then someone is overpaying. Don't think we bring him back anyways though unless he is really cheap but he is too big a name at this point for me to realistically see that.

That was his cap hit, not what he was getting paid. The Lions paid him $8.5M and that's what his cap hit was to him.

 

He's not really worth discussing, because he's not coming back. Its borderline impossible to see how paying him even half of that makes the Ravens a better football team. Not to mention it implies that HE would actually want to come back...

[rmcjacket23]

No i think it is highly possible Ngata can come back.   I'm not going to name all the names of players going to different team only to fail that came back to have success in their old team.  Its too many.  

 

i would say(again) that Ozzie will offer Ngata something to have him at least think about comming back.   You say hypothetically 4-5m a year for ngata?  I would jump on that easily.   

As for Carl he definitely was doing admirable work, but now he has a serious injury after only 4 games.   Jernigan had multiple injuries on limited snap.  I don't think Ngata will take any of their snaps any more than carl/jernigan can handle.  In fact, I think it'll help both those guys will do a whole lot better with Ngata than without.   

1. I didn't ask you to name all the names. Frankly, I'd be content at this point if you named ONE. And I'm also not talking about a guy you let walk in FA or released... I'm talking about players that teams traded because they cost too much that came back and played for that team again.

 

2. I think Ozzie offers Ngata no deal at all, because that makes the most sense.

 

3. If you say that Ngata wouldn't take any more snaps from Davis/Jernigan than they can handle, then collectively, when healthy, they can handle ALL of the snaps between the two of them, so that leaves us paying $4-5M for a guy to ride the pine.

 

Again, moot point, because its not happening. Its wishful thinking at best. I expect the next contract that Ngata signs with the Ravens will be of the 1 day variety...

[MTRavensFan]

That was his cap hit, not what he was getting paid. The Lions paid him $8.5M and that's what his cap hit was to him.

 

He's not really worth discussing, because he's not coming back. Its borderline impossible to see how paying him even half of that makes the Ravens a better football team. Not to mention it implies that HE would actually want to come back...

Not to mention he's spoken of retirement when his current contract is up, and he's been out injured for all of training camp, and most of the season so far. His impact for the Lions has been almost non-existent on a defense that's even worse than ours.

[52520Andrew]

That was his cap hit, not what he was getting paid. The Lions paid him $8.5M and that's what his cap hit was to him.

He's not really worth discussing, because he's not coming back. Its borderline impossible to see how paying him even half of that makes the Ravens a better football team. Not to mention it implies that HE would actually want to come back...

Yeah and even 8.5 mil to me would be too much but we both agree he isn't coming back so no use arguing semantics.

[Ravenseconbeast]

1. I didn't ask you to name all the names. Frankly, I'd be content at this point if you named ONE. And I'm also not talking about a guy you let walk in FA or released... I'm talking about players that teams traded because they cost too much that came back and played for that team again.

2. I think Ozzie offers Ngata no deal at all, because that makes the most sense.

3. If you say that Ngata wouldn't take any more snaps from Davis/Jernigan than they can handle, then collectively, when healthy, they can handle ALL of the snaps between the two of them, so that leaves us paying $4-5M for a guy to ride the pine.

Again, moot point, because its not happening. Its wishful thinking at best. I expect the next contract that Ngata signs with the Ravens will be of the 1 day variety...

James Jones with packers. Our cap was bad, trade was essential. Next year is different.

Ozzie did offered ngata an extension, Ngata felt he was worth more. If price is right, Ozzie Will offer it.

I don't think Ngata will be 'riding the pine'. He will be the main guy in the trenches. Carl/Jernigan haven't established themselves. If they do, they can take over, if not then we can keep the defense healthy. You also have to factor in players like Lawrence guy. He has been a major part of our defense this year. He is a FA next year.

[rafahash]

What about the "QB whisperer"? What the hell is he doing?

[Tru11]

What about the "QB whisperer"? What the hell is he doing?

 

marty mornhinweg is the QB coach.

[The Mom Gene]

Not to mention he's spoken of retirement when his current contract is up, and he's been out injured for all of training camp, and most of the season so far. His impact for the Lions has been almost non-existent on a defense that's even worse than ours.

 

This....  and reality is he'll come back to retire a Raven. 

 

These guys that go other places for their payday's are few and far between when it comes to discussing success.  We have breathed a sigh of relief so many times when players leave and go elsewhere...  Like Ellerbe for example.  They get overpaid by other teams and don't have the other surrounding cast members.  Boldin is one of them who left and did see the success... and again, wasn't the decision of the Ravens.  After he said he'd rather retire than play for another team, the Ravens made him an offer his agent declined, and then there's the way we got him, which some people fail to remember.  The Cards were having a great season with both he and Larry Fitzgerald.  Fitz got the payday.  But still there are so many leave only to dwindle down in their careers.

[The Mom Gene]

How often do we see Joe scrambling, only to find that there are no open receivers...  How often do we see them get open only to have Joe going the other way, or it's too late, and he's being brought down by defenders....  I'm sorry, I've seen Joe make some boneheaded mistakes, yes...  but I still maintain, he is the least of our issues.

[Dr. Kelley]

marty mornhinweg is the QB coach.

Yeah but when trestman got here all this website wrote about him was that he was "the quarterback whisperer" and implied that he would be some fairy godmother like force that would finally elevate joe to his much deserved elite status backed by his offensive genius. Which is actually funny, considering that yeah, morningwhig is the quarterback coach.

[Tru11]

Yeah but when trestman got here all this website wrote about him was that he was "the quarterback whisperer" and implied that he would be some fairy godmother like force that would finally elevate joe to his much deserved elite status backed by his offensive genius. Which is actually funny, considering that yeah, morningwhig is the quarterback coach.

 

well we are #9 in points scored and #7 in yards so i think he is doing 1 heck of a job given what he has to work lol.

if he keeps this up chances are the offense will rank better then it did last year.

they are already better in yards and 1 rank lower in points.

 

i think he just need to work on making some better calls in certain situations and has to rely on his QB not making crazy throws like that 2nd INT lol

 

i like what he is doing so far.

 

mornhinweg needs to do a better job with Joe though cause his mechanics are way of and it does not look like he goes through his progressions fast enough.

[rmcjacket23]

James Jones with packers. Our cap was bad, trade was essential. Next year is different.

Ozzie did offered ngata an extension, Ngata felt he was worth more. If price is right, Ozzie Will offer it.

I don't think Ngata will be 'riding the pine'. He will be the main guy in the trenches. Carl/Jernigan haven't established themselves. If they do, they can take over, if not then we can keep the defense healthy. You also have to factor in players like Lawrence guy. He has been a major part of our defense this year. He is a FA next year.

James Jones wasn't traded. He was allowed to walk for money, bounced around the league, and was brought back for peanuts (not $4-5M a year) and ONLY after the team loses its #1 WR.

 

You have no vague clue what Ozzie will or won't do. 

[K-Dog]

What about the "QB whisperer"? What the hell is he doing?

He needs to whisper louder.

[beanfigger]

He needs to whisper louder.

I feel as though the things he kept from the previous offense were the worst parts of that (passing) offense, and the things he changed haven't worked, yet. We'd be better off with him just making a full-scale shift to his own system.

Edited October 20, 2015 by beanfigger

[Tru11]

I feel as though the things he kept from the previous offense were the worst parts of that (passing) offense, and the things he changed haven't worked, yet. We'd be better off with him just making a full-scale shift to his own system.

 

yup it does not look things are in synch.

[TDubbs]

I feel as though the things he kept from the previous offense were the worst parts of that (passing) offense, and the things he changed haven't worked, yet. We'd be better off with him just making a full-scale shift to his own system.

 

I feel the same. We didn't let him implement his own offense b/c of the success we had last year, so now we're in limbo w/ the shell of Kubiaks scheme. Hopefully we start shifting towards letting Trestman run his offense, and fully dive into it next year. We'll never be successful forcing Kubiaks scheme on any OC. 

[AsianRice]

Yeah but when trestman got here all this website wrote about him was that he was "the quarterback whisperer" and implied that he would be some fairy godmother like force that would finally elevate joe to his much deserved elite status backed by his offensive genius. Which is actually funny, considering that yeah, morningwhig is the quarterback coach.

With bunch of high school WRs, his job has been fantastic already, and we still have Kubiak scheme left over which even proves the case: Trestman is QB whisperer.

 

I don't understand the hate of Trestman; the man literally schemed out for our unwanted WRs to get opened and they still couldn't do it on consistent basis.  We have to commit to Trestman's offense 100% in order to succeed; we can't just force him to run Kubiak's system.  It's just like telling LB to cover the outside route.....

[kennethyamini1989]

As much as I wanted to hate on the guy that brought the Bears to their knees, let's not forget the Ravens are 9th in total offense, and averaging almost 24 points a game. Let's not forget despite the recent end game interceptions by Flacco, they have all come AFTER he lead game winning drives, and the defense fell flat. 

Look, I know people are frustrated, but Mark has done his job, especially considering hes been working with 3rd and 4th string receivers. 

This season is truly 80% on the Defense. Denver, Oakland, Cincy, and Cleveland are all games where Flacco and Tresman put their teams in position to win the game at the end, and the defense fell. Flacco has played one iffy game this year, and that was against the 49ers. Ravens should very well be 5-1 if the Defense were able to stop a nose bleed as Bart Scott once put it. 

[PurpleCity5]

Trestman has done a fine job. He's done well with what he has to work with when it comes to our rec. options, which is pretty much no one but Steve Smith and Crockett Gilmore, Aiken occasionally shows up but there are times when he just gets shutout. Just stop those 3rd-1 bomb to Aiken, it just doesn't work.

 

I'm really pissed at this defense. They can't stop a nosebleed in the 4th QTR. It was funny at first, but now it's really getting old(Sarcasm). Seriously, close out a game.

 

I think Harbaugh is right, this team just isn't good. They lack heart, passion and determination. They completely lost all aspects of what "Play like a Raven" means. 

Edited October 20, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[dollyssara]

I just read an article entitled and it made me spitting mad: 

 

Joe Flacco Simply Isn't Good Enough to Carry These Baltimore Ravens | Bleacher Report (via http://ble.ac/teamstream-) http://teamstre.am/1W2ruPF

 

Let's talk about Marc Trestman. He started off the year with an approach like 'throw everything on the wall and see what sticks” and I don't think that any kind of plan. Now what he has is a plan that's not a plan at all. And it shows in the plays they are not making and the repeated confusion on the field. There is no structure, no building on anything because he started with nothing to build on. And that's the big difference here from Gary Kubiak's offense. Gary Kubiak won with a plan and he stuck to it. He is still doing same thing in Denver and even though the quarterback is not doing well there, they're winning.

We are not winning. But it is by far not all Joe Flacco's fault. But his footwork is way off. Back foot throws, off balance and even some lack of ball security when he is trying to make plays all by himself. He seems to be flying blind on way too many plays. A change of approach for the offense has become inescapable.

I'm not sure if it's too late or not this year to start with basics but one thing is certain, we are not winning with this lack of structure and that starts with Marc Trestman. What I'd like to see is our head coach decide that he has to scrap the current 'O' plan and start over with some basic football strategy. Joe can't play with finesse when there is nothing to finesse.

Marc Trestman did the same thing to Jay Cutler. NFL football is too fast paced to get creative blindly without a plan and throwing things on the wall to see what sticks. He stated that it was easier for him to adapt to the Ravens offense then to install his offense and that was a huge cop-out.

But I don't think he studied the game winning plays that Gary Kubiak had to have a winning season. The next time I open my Bleacher Report App and see an article like this, I'm going to probably rant on something again. Can't help myself.

Well I've had my say. Thanks for listening

 

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[RavensFan34950]

I just think we signed too many players from losing teams like the Jags and the Texans. They might have brought their losing culture over to Baltimore and I don't like it. We need to start signing winners.

[Inqui]

I just read an article entitled and it made me spitting mad: 

 

Joe Flacco Simply Isn't Good Enough to Carry These Baltimore Ravens | Bleacher Report (via http://ble.ac/teamstream-) http://teamstre.am/1W2ruPF

 

Let's talk about Marc Trestman. He started off the year with an approach like 'throw everything on the wall and see what sticks” and I don't think that any kind of plan. Now what he has is a plan that's not a plan at all. And it shows in the plays they are not making and the repeated confusion on the field. There is no structure, no building on anything because he started with nothing to build on. And that's the big difference here from Gary Kubiak's offense. Gary Kubiak won with a plan and he stuck to it. He is still doing same thing in Denver and even though the quarterback is not doing well there, they're winning.

We are not winning. But it is by far not all Joe Flacco's fault. But his footwork is way off. Back foot throws, off balance and even some lack of ball security when he is trying to make plays all by himself. He seems to be flying blind on way too many plays. A change of approach for the offense has become inescapable.

I'm not sure if it's too late or not this year to start with basics but one thing is certain, we are not winning with this lack of structure and that starts with Marc Trestman. What I'd like to see is our head coach decide that he has to scrap the current 'O' plan and start over with some basic football strategy. Joe can't play with finesse when there is nothing to finesse.

Marc Trestman did the same thing to Jay Cutler. NFL football is too fast paced to get creative blindly without a plan and throwing things on the wall to see what sticks. He stated that it was easier for him to adapt to the Ravens offense then to install his offense and that was a huge cop-out.

But I don't think he studied the game winning plays that Gary Kubiak had to have a winning season. The next time I open my Bleacher Report App and see an article like this, I'm going to probably rant on something again. Can't help myself.

Well I've had my say. Thanks for listening

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

I didn't read that article, but there's a guy on Bleacher Report who's always had a weird vendetta against Joe. Ever since we won the Super Bowl, the guy's written and republished the same anti-Joe piece every six months (the headline's usually "Joe Flacco is not elite, and he never will be"). I'm guessing that's the same person, and frankly he's a muppet. Bleacher Report still has way too many articles like that to be taken as a genuine source of anything.

 

Anyway, I actually don't think Trestman's the problem here. We could probably do better, but atm we're 10th in yards per game (better than Green Bay, Denver, Indy, Dallas, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia) and 11th in points per game (add San Diego and NO to that list at the expense of GB and Pittsburgh). That's a fringe top 10 unit, with a good-but-not-great OL, a really young TE group (a position that takes a while to see any tangible results), Joe having a down year and a WR group that might genuinely be worse than what a couple of college teams are putting out there. I get that Trestman's a step down from Kubiak (but realistically anyone we brought on board would be) and he's made some really weird calls at times, but I think he's done really well with what little he's got atm.

[January J]

I didn't read that article, but there's a guy on Bleacher Report who's always had a weird vendetta against Joe. Ever since we won the Super Bowl, the guy's written and republished the same anti-Joe piece every six months (the headline's usually "Joe Flacco is not elite, and he never will be"). I'm guessing that's the same person, and frankly he's a muppet. Bleacher Report still has way too many articles like that to be taken as a genuine source of anything.

 

Anyway, I actually don't think Trestman's the problem here. We could probably do better, but atm we're 10th in yards per game (better than Green Bay, Denver, Indy, Dallas, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia) and 11th in points per game (add San Diego and NO to that list at the expense of GB and Pittsburgh). That's a fringe top 10 unit, with a good-but-not-great OL, a really young TE group (a position that takes a while to see any tangible results), Joe having a down year and a WR group that might genuinely be worse than what a couple of college teams are putting out there. I get that Trestman's a step down from Kubiak (but realistically anyone we brought on board would be) and he's made some really weird calls at times, but I think he's done really well with what little he's got atm.

agreed- most everyone can see the issues are on the defensive side of the ball. There are some things done on offense that make you scratch your head, but overall we've done enough on offense to win nearly every game aside from Denver.

[The Mom Gene]

Well said Inqui!

[edthehead]

I think we do not give Eugene Monroe enough credit for missing so many games,,,

I mean the way he came in ,, always working out saying the right thing , getting K.O to go to  bat for him,,

WOW,,, shout out to monroe,, if he is not playing then he is allowing flacco to get hit or pressured,,,

 hey OZ,, great job in his contract cause he wanted it all,,, 

     a round of applause for our left tackle eugene monroe,,, the real estate man,,,,,

       ,,,     ....           

[Guest]

I second your opinion to point the finger at Jimmy Smith. He has been atrocious.  Unfortunately, we don't have anyone to spell him, even if he is still "recovering".

 

I also don't believe he was ever as good as touted here.  Folks want to sing the praises of how good our drafting has been, even when it hasn't been all that good.  Smith's deficiencies were covered by a good group around him, now that group is no longer there and he is beginning to "stick out" on his own merit or lack thereof.

 

When he came up we had Ed and Pollard the enforcer. We had a more consistent pass rush with Ngata, Suggs and McPhee in there. We are still getting to the QB but that is with "packages".

 

Personally, I believe we are now getting a better look at the raw talent level of Jimmy Smith.

 

Even in the day, it's not like he was a ball hawk.  But even if this is all there is, along with his mates, he still had a great final series vs. San Fran in the Championship.

 

So we all know that bashing and defending Joe is a favorite past time around here and the infinite number of threads proves that out.

 

So, in the spirit of giving us equal opportunity - pick the player you are just so mad at lately that you can hardly look at him!

 

I will start......JIMMY SMITH.

 

If anyone drives me more crazy that this highly paid and touted defender I can't think of them.  He is so terribly inconsistent I can hardly stand to see the number 22 and not curse.  Yesterday he had a ball thrown DIRECTLY TO HIM and he drops it.  It leads to points and gets us behind.  At times he makes a play - but he is far from the shut down corner many claim him to be.

 

WHO IS ON YOUR LIST?????

Edited October 31, 2015 by Danny D

[Virginia 55]

Hurst-------Why is he even on this team?

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Hurst-------Why is he even on this team?

Because Monroe can't stay healthy.

[usmccharles]

Defensive 3rd downs....

[RaineV1]

Hurst-------Why is he even on this team?

At this point, I'd be okay with giving the PS OT we called up a chance to start. He probably isn't going to do any worse.