Its Time To Develop The Next Generation

[flynismo]

Ugh, Perriman....

I hope I don't jinx us when I point out ten years ago, we drafted Dan Cody

[GrimCoconut]

Ugh, Perriman....

I hope I don't jinx us when I point out ten years ago, we drafted Dan Cody

I honestly think this team better approach WR as if Perriman amounts to nothing and that he's a bust. I'm not giving up on the guy, but I'll be furious and call for Ozzie to resign if he does nothing to fix WR outside signing some free agent veteran a la Vincent Jackson, even if I do love Vincent Jackson here.

Perriman needs to get on the field and develop because he's done nothing for this team and we're already more than halfway through the season. It sickens me.

[PurpleCity5]

I honestly think this team better approach WR as if Perriman amounts to nothing and that he's a bust. I'm not giving up on the guy, but I'll be furious and call for Ozzie to resign if he does nothing to fix WR outside signing some free agent veteran a la Vincent Jackson, even if I do love Vincent Jackson here.

Perriman needs to get on the field and develop because he's done nothing for this team and we're already more than halfway through the season. It sickens me.

Yeah man, I can't stop ranting right now but this whole ordeal is ridiculous. I'm upset at both guys right now and I seem a bit hypocritical for this given how I was telling people here to be patient and just wait it out but now, I can't even with this whole thing. I mean, how long does it take to even return from a sprained PCL? I've never even seen a sprained PCL take this long, the recovery time table for a knee scope is 2-3 weeks, you'd think you hear something right now? 

 

If this goes on then it puts the guy into question, will this be a repeated process? Eventually people will put his rehabbing and conditioning into question and that's when you hear news about red flags from the draft. I'm pretty upset at the Ravens for the lack of being upfront and accurate throughout, to be honest I feel that its unfair to the guy. I feel that when you fix for this WR "corpse", you need to move along as if Perriman isn't even on the roster because quite frankly if he doesn't return after the bye week than I'm convinced that he won't even play at all. 

 

This is what I imagine, Vincent Jackson will likely get released IMO, they could ask him to take a pay-cut, but the Bucs aren't winning anytime soon so I can see his reluctance to do so. I don't think he'll return to Tampa. I feel that signing him makes a lot of sense and drafting a WR early will be a high possibility. 

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah man, I can't stop ranting right now but this whole ordeal is ridiculous. I'm upset at both guys right now and I seem a bit hypocritical for this given how I was telling people here to be patient and just wait it out but now, I can't even with this whole thing. I mean, how long does it take to even return from a sprained PCL? I've never even seen a sprained PCL take this long, the recovery time table for a knee scope is 2-3 weeks, you'd think you hear something right now?

If this goes on then it puts the guy into question, will this be a repeated process? Eventually people will put his rehabbing and conditioning into question and that's when you hear news about red flags from the draft. I'm pretty upset at the Ravens for the lack of being upfront and accurate throughout, to be honest I feel that its unfair to the guy. I feel that when you fix for this WR "corpse", you need to move along as if Perriman isn't even on the roster because quite frankly if he doesn't return after the bye week than I'm convinced that he won't even play at all.

This is what I imagine, Vincent Jackson will likely get released IMO, they could ask him to take a pay-cut, but the Bucs aren't winning anytime soon so I can see his reluctance to do so. I don't think he'll return to Tampa. I feel that signing him makes a lot of sense and drafting a WR early will be a high possibility.

Yeah, Perriman is an old story for me. I'm more annoyed by Perriman than the Ravens. Who could've predicted this? They say he's healing slowly, but this healing process is ridiculous. How long do you take to recover from an injury in training camp that isn't a season ending injury for any other WR? I'm starting to buy into the hype that he's just mentally weak or maybe doesn't love football.

Yeah, we better not rely on this guy because I can't see how you can when he's missed this many games.

Edited October 25, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Fair enough. Whatever it is, he needs to get off his rear end and man up or whatever and get on the football field because this is ridiculous how long he's been out of football over what was once considered a minor injury. I've never heard of an injury like this taking this long to heal. I do understand why people call him a bust, even if I think that's wildly premature. I think his inability to get on the field is very frustrating for the fans and for the team.

I agree......Ravens should have a wuss y or n checkbox on their draft questionaire

[balfan23]

I honestly think this team better approach WR as if Perriman amounts to nothing and that he's a bust. I'm not giving up on the guy, but I'll be furious and call for Ozzie to resign if he does nothing to fix WR outside signing some free agent veteran a la Vincent Jackson, even if I do love Vincent Jackson here.

Perriman needs to get on the field and develop because he's done nothing for this team and we're already more than halfway through the season. It sickens me.

Just look at our 2016 roster ... SSS retires and we have exactly 0 starter worthy WRs. Assuming that the Perriman situation does not change .... it will behoove us to assume we have absolutely nothing in him, because nothing is exactly what he will have proven. To roll into next season with him inked in as a #2 WR would be silly. 

 

Problem is, how do you repair this? It is hard to go from 0 to a complete set of starter worthy WRs. This is only one of the reasons why it is getting harder to envision our current debacle is going to only be a 1 season bump in the road. 

[balfan23]

Seems like other teams develop their players more quickly than the Ravens do imo.

But that used to seem like a positive, because we always were in a position to bring guys along slowly, rather than rush them onto the field before they were ready. Even when we'd start these guys - like Flacco - we always made sure to not force them to shoulder more responsibility than they could handle. 

 

The problem is now, we have a number of guys that aren't slow to develop ... they are guys who appear they never will. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I honestly think this team better approach WR as if Perriman amounts to nothing and that he's a bust. I'm not giving up on the guy, but I'll be furious and call for Ozzie to resign if he does nothing to fix WR outside signing some free agent veteran a la Vincent Jackson, even if I do love Vincent Jackson here.

Perriman needs to get on the field and develop because he's done nothing for this team and we're already more than halfway through the season. It sickens me.

Then prepare to call for his resignation. Something tells me Perriman will come onto the field post bye week. Gut feeling.. Maybe he's learning and studying the playbook more. Who knows....I haven't heard any reports about the guy tbh. If he shows that he's anything worthwhile, then Ozzie will do his veteran thing and maybe retain Givens and Ross. The early rounds probably won't involve us taking a WR. We have more pressing matters at hand, and all of the best players in the top half of the draft are needs, and you can not really go wrong there.

I'd sign Garcon over Vjax personally. We need a WR, I agree. But I think if we address it in the draft it'll be in the third or fourth round(my man Sterling Shepard maybe)

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I just don't think pees knows how to stop the pass. Honestly I think we have more talent on this defense than some of the yrs that Rex was here. If Rex had this defense we would be top 5. For one he knows how to fire up his defense. If we cant have a lewis, reed or a suggs on the field to keep the defenses heart beating then we need a defensive coordinator that can. Pees is too ho hum. We need a coordinator with some fire

You sure about that? Rex has WAY more talent in Buffalo and they can't stop anyone.

[GrimCoconut]

Then prepare to call for his resignation. Something tells me Perriman will come onto the field post bye week. Gut feeling.. Maybe he's learning and studying the playbook more. Who knows....I haven't heard any reports about the guy tbh. If he shows that he's anything worthwhile, then Ozzie will do his veteran thing and maybe retain Givens and Ross. The early rounds probably won't involve us taking a WR. We have more pressing matters at hand, and all of the best players in the top half of the draft are needs, and you can not really go wrong there.

I'd sign Garcon over Vjax personally. We need a WR, I agree. But I think if we address it in the draft it'll be in the third or fourth round(my man Sterling Shepard maybe)

I'm okay with Ozzie taking a WR in the third round. That would be a solution. I'm not demanding a first or second round WR, but we'd better take a WR early in the first three rounds.

I just threw Jackson out there, but I'd be fine with Garcon.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm okay with Ozzie taking a WR in the third round. That would be a solution. I'm not demanding a first or second round WR, but we'd better take a WR early in the first three rounds.

I just threw Jackson out there, but I'd be fine with Garcon.

If Perriman turns out to be solid, which I think he will even with this stupid PCL thing, which even I'm beggining to lose paitence for(and I deal with little kids on the daily), I don't think we address it in the draft tbh. I love Sterling Shepard fwiw. I don't think we take a WR. It's not an amazing class

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah, Perriman is an old story for me. I'm more annoyed by Perriman than the Ravens. Who could've predicted this? They say he's healing slowly, but this healing process is ridiculous. How long do you take to recover from an injury in training camp that isn't a season ending injury for any other WR? I'm starting to buy into the hype that he's just mentally weak or maybe doesn't love football.

Yeah, we better not rely on this guy because I can't see how you can when he's missed this many games.

I don't know why you'd be mad at Perriman, especially since we have no idea if he isn't healed at this point or not. Maybe he is healed and he's just studying and getting back to the routine. 

 

I'm more annoyed at the Ravens for throwing all their chips in on Perriman with no contingency if he played poorly or got injured. There were some decent free agents that they could have had. Some decently priced guys were Andre Johnson, Percy Harvin, Stevie Johnson, Eddie Royal, Kenny Britt, Brian Hartline, and Harry Douglas. Obviously those guys aren't superstars, but they're all solid options who would have paired well with Steve Smith. The Ravens did absolutely nothing to have an insurance plan in case of injury to any of the top receivers. That's on the Ravens. 

[pep_meister]

I don't know why you'd be mad at Perriman, especially since we have no idea if he isn't healed at this point or not. Maybe he is healed and he's just studying and getting back to the routine. 

 

I'm more annoyed at the Ravens for throwing all their chips in on Perriman with no contingency if he played poorly or got injured. There were some decent free agents that they could have had. Some decently priced guys were Andre Johnson, Percy Harvin, Stevie Johnson, Eddie Royal, Kenny Britt, Brian Hartline, and Harry Douglas. Obviously those guys aren't superstars, but they're all solid options who would have paired well with Steve Smith. The Ravens did absolutely nothing to have an insurance plan in case of injury to any of the top receivers. That's on the Ravens. 

Brandon Marshall.

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah, Perriman is an old story for me. I'm more annoyed by Perriman than the Ravens. Who could've predicted this? They say he's healing slowly, but this healing process is ridiculous. How long do you take to recover from an injury in training camp that isn't a season ending injury for any other WR? I'm starting to buy into the hype that he's just mentally weak or maybe doesn't love football.

Yeah, we better not rely on this guy because I can't see how you can when he's missed this many games.

It's just tragic when you think about it. I mean for years Ravens fans, including myself have been pounding the table for a WR and when we finally draft one, this happens. Yeah, we shouldn't rely on him too much. Quite honestly we should act as if he isn't on the roster, nothing against him but if he can't play then how will you know how good he really is? For all we know he could be a bust or a future All-Pro. You just don't know so relying on him is a mistake. 

[PurpleCity5]

I don't know why you'd be mad at Perriman, especially since we have no idea if he isn't healed at this point or not. Maybe he is healed and he's just studying and getting back to the routine. 

 

I'm more annoyed at the Ravens for throwing all their chips in on Perriman with no contingency if he played poorly or got injured. There were some decent free agents that they could have had. Some decently priced guys were Andre Johnson, Percy Harvin, Stevie Johnson, Eddie Royal, Kenny Britt, Brian Hartline, and Harry Douglas. Obviously those guys aren't superstars, but they're all solid options who would have paired well with Steve Smith. The Ravens did absolutely nothing to have an insurance plan in case of injury to any of the top receivers. That's on the Ravens. 

I understand why he's upset at Perriman or at the very least frustrated at him. This is a PCL sprain, which typically shouldn't keep you out for this long. A recovery table for this long is just plain ridiculous. Erick Decker had a grade 1 PCL sprain this year and I believe he only missed one game. Andre Ellington who is made of dust only missed two weeks due to a PCL sprain. I have no idea how you can realistically miss this much time to the same exact injury. If he's healed, I'm sure we would've heard by now if that was the case. If he's healed there's no reason why he's not out there getting some reps at least in a limited basis. He's most likely still sidelined by that injury. 

 

I agree, the Ravens should have done more at WR in Free Agency, I put that on them. 

[GrimCoconut]

I don't know why you'd be mad at Perriman, especially since we have no idea if he isn't healed at this point or not. Maybe he is healed and he's just studying and getting back to the routine.

I'm more annoyed at the Ravens for throwing all their chips in on Perriman with no contingency if he played poorly or got injured. There were some decent free agents that they could have had. Some decently priced guys were Andre Johnson, Percy Harvin, Stevie Johnson, Eddie Royal, Kenny Britt, Brian Hartline, and Harry Douglas. Obviously those guys aren't superstars, but they're all solid options who would have paired well with Steve Smith. The Ravens did absolutely nothing to have an insurance plan in case of injury to any of the top receivers. That's on the Ravens.

I'm not mad at him--I'm annoyed with him, and that's distinctively different. I don't disagree with you and you make a good point regarding how we didn't do anything as a back-up. I'm definitely perturbed by that.

As for Perriman, I don't understand how he's still out with this same injury. I'm sick of it and frankly annoyed with him because of it. A guy can't be blamed necessarily for injury, but for him to take this long to heal makes zero sense to me. He's either hurt far more than we know (which makes absolutely no sense when compared to reports of his injury) or it's a mental thing with him. I don't know what it is but I'm starting to think it's mental.

[Militant X 1]

But that used to seem like a positive, because we always were in a position to bring guys along slowly, rather than rush them onto the field before they were ready. Even when we'd start these guys - like Flacco - we always made sure to not force them to shoulder more responsibility than they could handle. 

 

The problem is now, we have a number of guys that aren't slow to develop ... they are guys who appear they never will. 

 

Wow!

[BmoreBird22]

I'm not mad at him--I'm annoyed with him, and that's distinctively different. I don't disagree with you and you make a good point regarding how we didn't do anything as a back-up. I'm definitely perturbed by that.

As for Perriman, I don't understand how he's still out with this same injury. I'm sick of it and frankly annoyed with him because of it. A guy can't be blamed necessarily for injury, but for him to take this long to heal makes zero sense to me. He's either hurt far more than we know (which makes absolutely no sense when compared to reports of his injury) or it's a mental thing with him. I don't know what it is but I'm starting to think it's mental.

 

 

I understand why he's upset at Perriman or at the very least frustrated at him. This is a PCL sprain, which typically shouldn't keep you out for this long. A recovery table for this long is just plain ridiculous. Erick Decker had a grade 1 PCL sprain this year and I believe he only missed one game. Andre Ellington who is made of dust only missed two weeks due to a PCL sprain. I have no idea how you can realistically miss this much time to the same exact injury. If he's healed, I'm sure we would've heard by now if that was the case. If he's healed there's no reason why he's not out there getting some reps at least in a limited basis. He's most likely still sidelined by that injury. 

 

I agree, the Ravens should have done more at WR in Free Agency, I put that on them. 

Try to keep in mind that he did begin running and was doing it for about a week. He was even at practice. It's completely possible that he started with a grade two sprain and then re-tore the ligament. I wouldn't want to mess with a PCL tear, either. That's more severe in my mind than the ACL. I wouldn't push it at all. 

[PurpleCity5]

Try to keep in mind that he did begin running and was doing it for about a week. He was even at practice. It's completely possible that he started with a grade two sprain and then re-tore the ligament. I wouldn't want to mess with a PCL tear, either. That's more severe in my mind than the ACL. I wouldn't push it at all. 

He couldn't have re-torn it, if he had the Doc would have saw it when they did that scope, I mean Habaugh said its pretty much the same injury since July 30th. He didn't suffer a set-back, didn't tear anything, its the same PCL Sprain which is what's leading to my confusion. If he was making progress and didn't re-aggravate it, then what's keeping him out? 

[BmoreBird22]

He couldn't have re-torn it, if he had the Doc would have saw it when they did that scope, I mean Habaugh said its pretty much the same injury since July 30th. He didn't suffer a set-back, didn't tear anything, its the same PCL Sprain which is what's leading to my confusion. If he was making progress and didn't re-aggravate it, then what's keeping him out? 

He did re-aggrivate it, remember? He was doing pre game warmups and pulled up funny and was limping. I wish I could remember which game it was before.

 

And try to remember, the Ravens haven't really given any updates at all on Perriman. We really have no idea what's happening.

Edited October 25, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[balfan23]

He did re-aggrivate it, remember? He was doing pre game warmups and pulled up funny and was limping. I wish I could remember which game it was before.

 

And try to remember, the Ravens haven't really given any updates at all on Perriman. We really have no idea what's happening.

PurpleCity5 was responding to your claim that it is possible that he re-tore the ligament. First off, the initial MRI did not reveal a tear (or at least as reported by the Ravens) and the scope he had on Oct 5th did not reveal any new injury. So from what has been reported there was no tear or re-tear. 

 

After the stem cell injection, the comment from Harbaugh was "We’ll see how it comes along this week". Or next week, or the week after ... 

 

I don't know. I've been following this sport for a very long time and I can't recall an injury so shrouded in mystery in my life. 

[PurpleCity5]

He did re-aggrivate it, remember? He was doing pre game warmups and pulled up funny and was limping. I wish I could remember which game it was before.

 

And try to remember, the Ravens haven't really given any updates at all on Perriman. We really have no idea what's happening.

I think my choice of words was a bit off. I meant if he had a new injury. If I could recall, Harbaugh said it himself that its no new injury, its just that its healing really slowly. The docs found nothing new if I remember unless there's new reports that says otherwise. I'm going along with what Harbs has said. 

[52520Andrew]

I don't know why you'd be mad at Perriman, especially since we have no idea if he isn't healed at this point or not. Maybe he is healed and he's just studying and getting back to the routine.

I'm more annoyed at the Ravens for throwing all their chips in on Perriman with no contingency if he played poorly or got injured. There were some decent free agents that they could have had. Some decently priced guys were Andre Johnson, Percy Harvin, Stevie Johnson, Eddie Royal, Kenny Britt, Brian Hartline, and Harry Douglas. Obviously those guys aren't superstars, but they're all solid options who would have paired well with Steve Smith. The Ravens did absolutely nothing to have an insurance plan in case of injury to any of the top receivers. That's on the Ravens.

Kinda like what we did at CB last year

[flynismo]

I don't know why you'd be mad at Perriman, especially since we have no idea if he isn't healed at this point or not. Maybe he is healed and he's just studying and getting back to the routine.

I'm more annoyed at the Ravens for throwing all their chips in on Perriman with no contingency if he played poorly or got injured. There were some decent free agents that they could have had. Some decently priced guys were Andre Johnson, Percy Harvin, Stevie Johnson, Eddie Royal, Kenny Britt, Brian Hartline, and Harry Douglas. Obviously those guys aren't superstars, but they're all solid options who would have paired well with Steve Smith. The Ravens did absolutely nothing to have an insurance plan in case of injury to any of the top receivers. That's on the Ravens.

to be fair, we thought we had a pretty solid group of young receivers... Aiken and Campanaro showed flashes last year, we thought Marlon could also take another step forward, and we drafted two more TE to go with Gillmore... if nothing else, it looked like we would have solid depth to go behind SSS and Perriman.

Of course, Perriman and Campanaro got hurt, Aiken hasn't progressed and Marlon seems to have regressed, but at the time, I could see why they chose to pursue other needs instead

[BmoreBird22]

to be fair, we thought we had a pretty solid group of young receivers... Aiken and Campanaro showed flashes last year, we thought Marlon could also take another step forward, and we drafted two more TE to go with Gillmore... if nothing else, it looked like we would have solid depth to go behind SSS and Perriman.

Of course, Perriman and Campanaro got hurt, Aiken hasn't progressed and Marlon seems to have regressed, but at the time, I could see why they chose to pursue other needs instead

Campanaro had injuries dating back to college and was IR'd last year from them, if I remember correctly, so hoping he'd stay healthy was a stretch.

Marlon wasn't overly impressive in an offense that force fed him the ball and last year wasn't even impressive in a rotation. I don't know why they thought he'd really come along.

Aiken, as many of us said, probably was best suited for a number three role or rotation. I guess the Ravens were banking on Perriman being the two eventually and pushing Aiken to the three, but again, that runs into the issue of what if Perriman or Steve get hurt, like they did.

They just did not do a good job of addressing the issue.

[52liveforever]

You sure about that? Rex has WAY more talent in Buffalo and they can't stop anyone.

I wouldn't say their DBacks have WAY more talent. They have a corner playing safety. And coming in and implementing his defense and being the 11th best defense in the NFL by week 7 is definitely impressive. They will no doubt break top ten before the year is over.

[BmoreBird22]

PurpleCity5 was responding to your claim that it is possible that he re-tore the ligament. First off, the initial MRI did not reveal a tear (or at least as reported by the Ravens) and the scope he had on Oct 5th did not reveal any new injury. So from what has been reported there was no tear or re-tear. 

 

After the stem cell injection, the comment from Harbaugh was "We’ll see how it comes along this week". Or next week, or the week after ... 

 

I don't know. I've been following this sport for a very long time and I can't recall an injury so shrouded in mystery in my life.

  

I think my choice of words was a bit off. I meant if he had a new injury. If I could recall, Harbaugh said it himself that its no new injury, its just that its healing really slowly. The docs found nothing new if I remember unless there's new reports that says otherwise. I'm going along with what Harbs has said.

Well, a sprain is a partial to full tear of a ligament, so if it truly is a sprain, there was tearing of some form or fashion taking place.

I don't know what's going on with this injury. He seemed to be right on track until he re-aggravated this injury, and like I said before, I wouldn't mess with the PCL; that's worse than an ACL. If he really did even re-aggravate it, then why rush him? The Ravens aren't in a win now position with this season, so why does it matter if he plays? I'm sure they'd rather have a fully healthy Perriman than one who could lose his career with a fully torn PCL.

I'd love to know what's going on, but I'm not expecting anything until after the bye.

[BmoreBird22]

I wouldn't say their DBacks have WAY more talent. They have a corner playing safety. And coming in and implementing his defense and being the 11th best defense in the NFL by week 7 is definitely impressive. They will no doubt break top ten before the year is over.

Ronald Darby and Stephon Gilmore are immensely talented. Darby was one of my favorite defensive backs in the draft. I felt like he had a first round talent to him. Didn't like him as much as Peters, but they have a very good duo. Which safety is playing corner?

[52liveforever]

Ronald Darby and Stephon Gilmore are immensely talented. Darby was one of my favorite defensive backs in the draft. I felt like he had a first round talent to him. Didn't like him as much as Peters, but they have a very good duo. Which safety is playing corner?

I guess talented is the wrong word .They are very talented, but I don't know if Darby would be as good in another system with someone else coming up with the schemes. I think their secondary woes are more due to Gilmore and Darby's inexperience. Corey Graham is playing safety which I think he may end up being good once he gets accustomed.

At this point with the experience of our guys and talent we have our secondary should be doing better than theirs, but they aren't.

Basically I think Rex has gotten more out of them than most DC's would and I think that defense will undoubtedly be a top ten defense. So as far as my prior point, yes I am sure a guy like Rex does make a difference.

[BSHU_Miami]

I guess talented is the wrong word .They are very talented, but I don't know if Darby would be as good in another system with someone else coming up with the schemes. I think their secondary woes are more due to Gilmore and Darby's inexperience. Corey Graham is playing safety which I think he may end up being good once he gets accustomed.

At this point with the experience of our guys and talent we have our secondary should be doing better than theirs, but they aren't.

Basically I think Rex has gotten more out of them than most DC's would and I think that defense will undoubtedly be a top ten defense. So as far as my prior point, yes I am sure a guy like Rex does make a difference.

Rex is going to end up realizing like Pagano he's a better DC than HC.