Its Time To Develop The Next Generation

[rmcjacket23]

Yall sleeping on Kamar.. he makes tough plays, he just needs to work on separation a little more and catching, is a solid 3, and a decent 2. And of course Camp is good too.. only other WR i like is Ross and Butler, where is Butler?

You are right... I'm sleeping on him. He puts me to sleep when he's on the field.

[rmcjacket23]

Lol yall remember when we signed McClain and then he retired.. lol now he starts for the Cowboys

He's not very good, and would be the 3rd MLB on this team. We aren't missing anything.

[Static]

He's not very good, and would be the 3rd MLB on this team. We aren't missing anything.

No. He's pretty good actually and both our linebackers are playing terrible right now

[Kid87]

He's not very good, and would be the 3rd MLB on this team. We aren't missing anything.

Better than Art Brown

[Kid87]

You are right... I'm sleeping on him. He puts me to sleep when he's on the field.

Yikes

[ravensfan520]

man brooks is doing 1 heck of a job.

cant believe some people are actually suggesting players regressed under his watch.

i actually feel like williams and guy are much better then before and davis is coming along as well.

jernigan is the only guy i dont see making strides but then he again he seems to get banged up easily.

brown i think is doing a good job as well but im pretty sure some will blame him for tucker missing FGs lol

those 2 are keepers for sure.

agree though if we gonna fire pees , lets clean house.

I wouldnt mind Brooks as the new d coordinator. The players like him and he has keep his d line up to par... it's the rest that needs the help. And the d line is where all the youth and injuries have been.

[Ravens2343]

I don't think there is much talent to develop

 

I disagree.  Guys like Buck Allen, Maxx Williams, Nick Boyle and Darren Waller on offense need more time and could become big time contributors for us in the near future.  On defense we have youngsters like Jernigan, Guy, Williams (already a stud but could improve), Mosley, Art Brown, Z-Smith, Walker and Brooks.  All of these guys were drafted or brought in here within the last 3 years and all of them have roles on this team as we speak except Brown and Walker.  I think we have talent, but we definitely need to add more this offseason and hopefully these guys continue to get better

[Static]

I disagree. Guys like Buck Allen, Maxx Williams, Nick Boyle and Darren Waller on offense need more time and could become big time contributors for us in the near future. On defense we have youngsters like Jernigan, Guy, Williams (already a stud but could improve), Mosley, Art Brown, Z-Smith, Walker and Brooks. All of these guys were drafted or brought in here within the last 3 years and all of them have roles on this team as we speak except Brown and Walker. I think we have talent, but we definitely need to add more this offseason and hopefully these guys continue to get better

Only Boyle and Wagner are day 3 picks that are currently contributing.

Also I'm pretty sure Walker is terrible because they played Wright before him.

[rmcjacket23]

No. He's pretty good actually and both our linebackers are playing terrible right now

Whats your basis for saying he's good? 

 

Also, whats the basis for saying our guys aren't playing well?

[rmcjacket23]

Better than Art Brown

So...the 3rd MLB on a team that only plays 2.

 

Thanks for agreeing with me.

[Tru11]

I wouldnt mind Brooks as the new d coordinator. The players like him and he has keep his d line up to par... it's the rest that needs the help. And the d line is where all the youth and injuries have been.

 

brooks has been a d-line coach for like 30 years now.

might be me but it seems he is perfectly fine working with the d-line and does not seem to have the ambition to become a DC.

 

TBH if he becomes the DC , chances are he is going to stay with Pees playbook and scheme and probably only going to change a few things.

Just like Caldwell did when he took over from Cam.

 

he has 0 experience calling plays and 0 experience installing a scheme.

matter of fact i dont think he even has a scheme.

[TuckerTime9]

I personally think Buck Allen looks like he could become a very good runningback given time to develop.

 

I know you all seem to be against tanking but think of it this way, if we continue to lose games by less than 6 every game, we are a team that was a field goal away each game from being a wildcard team that's going to get a top 3 pick. We can trade down to the 10ish range and take a guy like Laquon Treadwell and also stack up of future picks while we do it. Or even better draft Vernon Hargreaves in the top 3 and then sign a WR like Jeffery in the offseason (we should have enough with all the dead money being off the books from Rice and Ngata). 

[Ravens2343]

Only Boyle and Wagner are day 3 picks that are currently contributing.

Also I'm pretty sure Walker is terrible because they played Wright before him.

 

It doesn't matter where they were picked or how they got here, what matters is we have young guys who have talent and are contributing.  Buck Allen is contributing and Darren Waller is one of our best special teams players.  Z-Smith is getting a lot of snaps due to Suggs being out, but he is contributing and getting better.  Walker has not shown anything, but he has great measurable and athleticism so hopefully with some coaching and development he can become a contributor down the road

Edited October 20, 2015 by Ravens2343

[Drew P]

No. He's pretty good actually and both our linebackers are playing terrible right now

 

No doubt he was pretty good last year and of course been suspended this year. The bottom line is the Cows made out better than the Ravens on that deal.

[Tru11]

I personally think Buck Allen looks like he could become a very good runningback given time to develop.

 

I know you all seem to be against tanking but think of it this way, if we continue to lose games by less than 6 every game, we are a team that was a field goal away each game from being a wildcard team that's going to get a top 3 pick. We can trade down to the 10ish range and take a guy like Laquon Treadwell and also stack up of future picks while we do it. Or even better draft Vernon Hargreaves in the top 3 and then sign a WR like Jeffery in the offseason (we should have enough with all the dead money being off the books from Rice and Ngata). 

 

we dont have enough money to sign him.

currently we have 13,3 mil in cap space next season which has to go to the draft and tagging/tendering RFA and FA.

 

we barely have any cap to resign anyone.

 

we need flacco to restructure/sign an extension and we will have to cut some players which will create more holes to fill.

 

signing a top FA is a pipe dream.

 

also the bears have 60 mil so they can tag him with ease lol

[thieverycorporation]

I personally think Buck Allen looks like he could become a very good runningback given time to develop.

 

I know you all seem to be against tanking but think of it this way, if we continue to lose games by less than 6 every game, we are a team that was a field goal away each game from being a wildcard team that's going to get a top 3 pick. We can trade down to the 10ish range and take a guy like Laquon Treadwell and also stack up of future picks while we do it. Or even better draft Vernon Hargreaves in the top 3 and then sign a WR like Jeffery in the offseason (we should have enough with all the dead money being off the books from Rice and Ngata). 

I agree with most but Ozzie would get a lineman or linebacker. It's his pattern. And it's sad.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I agree with most but Ozzie would get a lineman or linebacker. It's his pattern. And it's sad.

It's a good thing we need both.

[ravensdan]

I agree with that... but I will extend a little further and say next year would be the perfect time to retool and step away from Flacco. I know everyone believes he is a franchise qb... maybe he is but he has a major contract that needs to be reworked and we are looking at a top 10 pick. So why not use the money we save by trading him to a team with cap space or cutting him and using the money to get playmakers for a young qb to develop with. The team needs to be retooled. I can live with a few down years if we can develop the team instead of using to many cap casualty veterans on their last leg. We had a great run and we can have another if we can draft well and not be afraid to make big moves in free agency. If Suggs is healthy we need to keep him and Upshaw. Pick up a real corner and stop messing around with cut players.

I know that sounds a little crazy but Flacco may have the ability to make all the throws and had a great postseason but he is just like Favre with the gunslinger mentality and throwing too many int... and you see how many superbowls Favre won... we need to move on instead of trying to string it out for many years past his prime. If we go with a youth movement... it needs to be all around.

Maybe even bring in a youth movement in coaching staff as well. The game has evolved and the old guys hanging around are not.

That's an awesome idea if you want to enjoy top 10 picks with no chance to win for the next ten years.

[Ravens2343]

That's an awesome idea if you want to enjoy top 10 picks with no chance to win for the next ten years.

 

Yeah I just don't get what some people are thinking.  We were a healthy secondary away from a potential super bowl last year and now this year injuries, poor coaching and an absolute brutal schedule has landed us in unchartered waters and people want to jump ship.  I agree that if we get rid of Flacco we will be picking in the top 10 for a LONG time, look how long it took us to find a guy like Flacco.

[Militant X 1]

Seems like other teams develop their players more quickly than the Ravens do imo.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Seems like other teams develop their players more quickly than the Ravens do imo.

I agree, look at McPhee, Kruger, etc just get good the last year they are here then gone, we shoud have resigned mcphee

[Tru11]

I agree, look at McPhee, Kruger, etc just get good the last year they are here then gone, we shoud have resigned mcphee

 

with what money?

[The Raven]

Honestly, I've been thinking and I'd almost be willing to see if we can get Jernigan to slim down like McPhee and try to be an OLB. He's been inconsistent at DT and may be better just going after the ball as a pass rusher and set the edge.

 

Late to this party but I say nay.When he's been allowed to just blow up his gap, he does that. If you put Jernigan in a 4-3 tampa 2, I think he does much better. Never really thought Jernigan was a great scheme fit for us.

[GrimCoconut]

Late to this party but I say nay.When he's been allowed to just blow up his gap, he does that. If you put Jernigan in a 4-3 tampa 2, I think he does much better. Never really thought Jernigan was a great scheme fit for us.

Yeah, even I agree it's just not a good idea, lol.

[PurpleCity5]

I'd like to see us do something with Arthur Brown. Our linebackers lack athleticism, we need some guys out there who can chase down running QBs and tackle dump-off running backs.

 

Za'Darius should start over Upshaw, he's done better against the run and he's already a better pass rusher. I see no reason to keep Upshaw and quite frankly Smith is the future of this defense and I think it will help him develop overall. 

 

I don't know how long Terrence Brooks will be out, but I feel that he should get more reps at FS, I don't think Kendrick Lewis has done well against the deep ball and he has problem with communication and assignments. Brooks didn't look that good in his limited time, but maybe he can come along for us, I mean who knows, at this point you're in the evaluation process. Lewis has been pretty underwhelming for the most part and I believe that he doesn't compliment Will Hill.

Edited October 24, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[GrimCoconut]

Brooks needs to get on the field but like Webb he seems to suffer from injury. I still like him a lot but I'm not really feeling confident in him as a long-term option at FS for this team.

Granted, he hasn't had many opportunities, but from what I've seen he seems more comfortable at strong safety than free safety. I would love for him to prove me contrary, but that's how I see it. That's coming from a very big fan of his coming out of FSU. I really liked him a lot and thought he could be our future FS. He just seems to lack the instincts necessary to play single high.

[flynismo]

I honestly think this team is very good. I think we're just missing two guys. We need that one guy on offense and defense who can take over a game and who plays with attitude without the obligatory penalties.

I think we have a great young foundation to build on.

Flacco, Buck, Perriman and all three TE...

Williams, Jernigan, Mosely, Jimmy and Hill.

But we are much more than one or two pieces away...just off the top of my head, long term we need:

LG, RT, WR, DE, ROLB, LOLB, CB AND S

Not necessarily impact players at each position of course, but we desperately need to improve at those positions.

And frankly, I have never, ever liked Monroe, and if we find that we love one of the LT in the draft, we should spend that top five pick on him

[GrimCoconut]

I think we have a great young foundation to build on.

Flacco, Buck, Perriman and all three TE...

Williams, Jernigan, Mosely, Jimmy and Hill.

But we are much more than one or two pieces away...just off the top of my head, long term we need:

LG, RT, WR, DE, ROLB, LOLB, CB AND S

Not necessarily impact players at each position of course, but we desperately need to improve at those positions.

And frankly, I have never, ever liked Monroe, and if we find that we love one of the LT in the draft, we should spend that top five pick on him

I agree, although I have no idea if Perriman is a foundation. The guy's done nothing for this team and he's been hurt all year with a boo boo to the knee. I'm sorry if I'm joining the Perriman hate club here, but it's unreal how long he's been out now. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I agree, although I have no idea if Perriman is a foundation. The guy's done nothing for this team and he's been hurt all year with a boo boo to the knee. I'm sorry if I'm joining the Perriman hate club here, but it's unreal how long he's been out now.

He is holding the clipboard for SSS, and his jockstrap

[GrimCoconut]

He is holding the clipboard for SSS, and his jockstrap

Fair enough. Whatever it is, he needs to get off his rear end and man up or whatever and get on the football field because this is ridiculous how long he's been out of football over what was once considered a minor injury. I've never heard of an injury like this taking this long to heal. I do understand why people call him a bust, even if I think that's wildly premature. I think his inability to get on the field is very frustrating for the fans and for the team.