Its Time To Develop The Next Generation

[Militant X 1]

The Ravens aren't any good at "developing" players imo.

[rmcjacket23]

Daryl smith? I think we'll live.

Sure, we will.

 

But we can just go ahead and add MLB to the lengthy list of positions we need to upgrade in the offseason, since benching Daryl Smith through no fault of his own all but seals his fate in Baltimore. 

 

So ironically, in trying to fix a problem that isn't a problem and doesn't need fixing, you created one...

 

Brilliant!

[RaineV1]

This coaching staff sucks at developing players.

How does Mosley and Jimmy get worse?

We've never developed a WR Either

Fkacco still makes rookie mistakes

For Mosley and Jimmy, it's playing in a scheme and for a DC that doesn't utilize their strengths all that well. Plus Smith has a bad positional coach.

The Ravens didn't always play Torrey to his strength, but I do think we got the best out of him. He definitely got better over time while on the Ravens. I doubt he would have done any better on another team.

 

Flacco's longevity isn't the only thing he has in common with Favre. Just like Brett, he's a gunslinger that will try to force things at times, and will make boneheaded decisions. It's just that he'll make good ones more often.

[RaineV1]

As for the general idea of developing people, aren't the Ravens already one of the youngest defenses? Williams, Mosley, Jernigan, Davis, ZDS, and Will Hill are all fairly young and getting a ton of playing time.

[rmcjacket23]

As for the general idea of developing people, aren't the Ravens already one of the youngest defenses? Williams, Mosley, Jernigan, Davis, ZDS, and Will Hill are all fairly young and getting a ton of playing time.

Ding ding ding ding ding ding...

 

Note that many of the players the board is advocating should be getting more playing time would be taking the place of young guys who we wanted to get more playing time...sounds like we already know how this ends.

 

Somebody put a quarter in the merry-go-round...

[Tru11]

For Mosley and Jimmy, it's playing in a scheme and for a DC that doesn't utilize their strengths all that well. Plus Smith has a bad positional coach.

The Ravens didn't always play Torrey to his strength, but I do think we got the best out of him. He definitely got better over time while on the Ravens. I doubt he would have done any better on another team.

 

Flacco's longevity isn't the only thing he has in common with Favre. Just like Brett, he's a gunslinger that will try to force things at times, and will make boneheaded decisions. It's just that he'll make good ones more often.

 

wasn't mosley a pro bowler last season in this scheme?

 

pretty sure this scheme earned jimmy his big contract.

many where calling him a bust in the previous scheme.

[hawkprey]

The Ravens aren't any good at "developing" players imo.

Are you kidding? We get more comp picks than anyone. Not to mention all the unknown free agents who come here and have breakout seasons. Ihedigbo, Graham, Forsett... These were guys tossed around the league.

[RaineV1]

wasn't mosley a pro bowler last season in this scheme?

 

pretty sure this scheme earned jimmy his big contract.

many where calling him a bust in the previous scheme.

Jimmy improved with Austin as the positional coach. But nearly every player on the defense has gotten worse over time with Pees being the main guy in charge of it.

[GaryCourtney]

Charles james claimed by Texans. Shame thought he could do something.

[Drew P]

I'm going to keep saying this....I think Art Brown and on a lesser note Matt Elam are a victim of pees. Elam never should have been a first round pick but damn he's not a slot corner pees. I understand the injuries that year but in no way shape or form that our strong safety should have been covering wr you're asking for too much. Elam should have been a box safety primarily used to sniff out screens and blitz. They really asked too much of the kid....

Art brown I seriously am dumbfounded how we can't at least use him as a rusher. We have this ultra athletic LB and we can't do anything with him? Not even rush the passer? A real DC would've taken advantage of his speed and use him Where he can play, he's a 2nd round pick and was dominate in college. I just refuse to believe he lost all of that talent to where he can't get into a game in his career no way.

Brooks is another speed guy we can't seem to do anything with. Another talent in college. All of a sudden bad in baltimore.. All of this falls on peas IMO. I don't want to make this about pees but he has to go in order to kickstart the youth movement. I have a feeling these players wouldn't look half as bad in a new scheme

 

No doubt. I think Brown has straight line speed that can be used to either rush the passer or hell even put him back in center field.

[Bandwagon]

Trade flacco and a couple picks for an injured Marcus Mariota 

Edited October 19, 2015 by Bandwagon

[Bandwagon]

Are you kidding? We get more comp picks than anyone. Not to mention all the unknown free agents who come here and have breakout seasons. Ihedigbo, Graham, Forsett... These were guys tossed around the league.

Cool but they never played like that for us have they??? Yeah bye

Edited October 19, 2015 by Bandwagon

[Tru11]

Jimmy improved with Austin as the positional coach. But nearly every player on the defense has gotten worse over time with Pees being the main guy in charge of it.

 

so you give credit to the position coach for improving him and then blame DC but not the new position coach for him regressing.

seems fair.....

 

im also pretty sure most of these guys where not on the team when pees took over lol.

 

you do know position coaches are the guys responsible for making players better right?

 

so we should fire pees and all position coaches?

[Static]

so we should fire pees and all position coaches?

Yeah. Every position coach Except Brooks and Randy Brown.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Can somebody define exactly what "Playing Like A Raven" is?

Also, how does one "Coach Like a Raven"? I am going somewhere with this, If a Coach has no idea how to coach a kid to play like a Raven, who can at this point?

[Tru11]

Yeah. Every position coach Except Brooks and Randy Brown.

 

man brooks is doing 1 heck of a job.

 

cant believe some people are actually suggesting players regressed under his watch.

i actually feel like williams and guy are much better then before and davis is coming along as well.

jernigan is the only guy i dont see making strides but then he again he seems to get banged up easily.

 

brown i think is doing a good job as well but im pretty sure some will blame him for tucker missing FGs  lol

 

those 2 are keepers for sure.

 

agree though if we gonna fire pees , lets clean house.

[ravenz2752]

I can't really think about this thread till Breshad comes back

[sflegend89]

I think this year's draft class has some nice talent but I'm not seeing the competitiveness I hoped for. Outside of Carl Davis I don't feel like any of them REALLY want to win, they just kinda want it. I think some of that falls on a lack of leadership as well, guys like CJ, Jimmy, Flacco need to step up more as leaders and demand more from their teammates.

 

Flacco especially needs to step up his leadership chops, being a quiet guy is no longer an excuse, he's too passive and he needs to find his voice and COMMAND the entire offense. 

[Guest Omerta]

This is an interesting topic to be sure, however, I think to take out players were producing in lieu of the younger guys just for the sake of age would send a bad message among the locker room and possible free agents for next year. I do think that positions that are a dumpster fire at the present, could use some shaking up for the purposes of evaluation.

I think Trey Walker is a perfect example, it is not like our corners or anything to write home about, so why not give the young guys I'm learning reps in a real game situation? Now I know the prevailing wisdom is that he sucks, and everything I see and would support that hypothesis, however, I find it unlikely that you would get worse with game time reps. So why not try?

Darren Waller is also a guy I would not be opposed to playing. Now we have all seen him and he is not been the difference maker that we had hoped for, however, I think we had some unrealistic expectations of what you would produce as a rookie considering how raw he was. I think giving him some game time reps, with consistent coaching on the sideline from Bobby Engram, he might be able to get some timing down with Flacco. This could also be used for next year.

I am also a fan of benching Kelechi in favor of John Urschel. I don't think many expect to let you to be back, so you may as well see what John Urschel has so that way going into the draft you will know if it will be in need or not. I'm a little up in the air to this one as Kelechi is not playing horribly, but he is certainly not playing lights out. I honestly would prefer the smartest man on our team to be playing center which could help Joe out a lot, but Zuttah is under contract for a while.

I also think it is time for Terrence Brooks to start at free safety. Even with Kendrick Lewis it's not like he was somebody to behold, in fact I thought you was playing rather poorly it was just masked by even poorer play among the rest of the people on the defense. I think Terrence Brooks has all of the intangibles and the measurables to play the position and play as well so let's give the man his shot.

All in all I don't think it is the worst of ideas, however, I do think that we need to be very judicious and who we pick to bench. They need to be people that we could stand losing or playing poorly anyway. I also think that the player that replaces and needs to have a certain amount of upside over just wasting our time.

[Tank 92]

As someone mentioned, we are developing the next generation now, hence some of the issues. I think if the injury bug would have stayed away it would be going much better.

[daman25]

I think we need to revamp our whole defensive backs. Our corners can't cover a bed. If any team needs to convert a third down, all the need to do is pass. Knowing where the 1st down line is, our corners still give a lot of cushing which makes it easy pickins. To me they all suck! Our safety, don't know what side to cheat to or how to help out the corners. Any team wanting to move the ball on us just needs to pass. Am I the only one who sees this? Obviously the team management doesn't cause if they did, they would have made a move and not kept these scrubs for as long as they are. 

 

Offense: We pay Flacco all this money but it is not worth it if you don't have a line that can block long enough for the receivers to do their route. You don't have the receivers that are caliber receivers (besides Smith) for Flacco to have an impact. So you pay a QB all this money but no weapons to help him out because you don't have any money to get caliber players. This is where we fail as a team.  

 

So this season is a wash, I don't care how much of a Ravens fan you are ( and I'm a big fan) the writing is on the wall. They just need to lose the rest of the games except when we play the Steelers again, and get a high draft pick next year and go from there.

 

Signed

A very disgruntled fan!!

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I think he is saying instead of bringing the rooks along slowly in an occasional package, why not put Waller in with the 1's. I mean is Marlon Brown doing anything on the field anyway?

[rmcjacket23]

I think he is saying instead of bringing the rooks along slowly in an occasional package, why not put Waller in with the 1's. I mean is Marlon Brown doing anything on the field anyway?

Waller is a JAG...

 

Steve Smith plays like a taller player than he does...

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I want to see what rooks have the fire burning inside.....its pretty obvious who wants to play on this team, and who is just collecting a paycheck, dump the losers

[rmcjacket23]

I want to see what rooks have the fire burning inside.....its pretty obvious who wants to play on this team, and who is just collecting a paycheck, dump the losers

OK, but what does that have to do with Waller? I haven't seen anything from him that even remotely says passion or "fire burning". I've seen a guy who looks completely lost out there when he is out there.

 

I see no difference between him and somebody like Aiken...

[January J]

OK, but what does that have to do with Waller? I haven't seen anything from him that even remotely says passion or "fire burning". I've seen a guy who looks completely lost out there when he is out there.

I see no difference between him and somebody like Aiken...

I see no difference between him and marlon brown, atleast Aiken has showed SOMETHING- granted not as much as any of us had hoped. Edited October 20, 2015 by January J

[Kid87]

Yall sleeping on Kamar.. he makes tough plays, he just needs to work on separation a little more and catching, is a solid 3, and a decent 2. And of course Camp is good too.. only other WR i like is Ross and Butler, where is Butler?

Edited October 20, 2015 by Kid87

[usmccharles]

Yall sleeping on Kamar.. he makes tough plays, he just needs to work on separation a little more and catching, is a solid 3, and a decent 2. And of course Camp is good too.. only other WR i like is Ross and Butler, where is Butler?

Ive been asking that a lot, Mr Training Camp star should get bumped up from the PS to give him a shot over Brown, cant do much worse than he has already. 

 

I just dont see it in Aiken, although hes on pace for 720 yards and 5TDs so i guess as a 2 thats not bad? im not to sure.  Just the eye test tells me theres nothing there other than decent hands. 

 

I like Ross.  He should get more chances this week.

[Static]

I don't think there is much talent to develop

[Kid87]

Lol yall remember when we signed McClain and then he retired.. lol now he starts for the Cowboys