Its Time To Develop The Next Generation

[ravensfan520]

If we are going to give Brown more reps and he plays well could we use D. Smith as trade potential to a playoff team... we need players... we can get a 5 or 6 with him and use that to draft a speedster wr or undersized Pass rusher in the late rounds. Smith is starting to show his wear and maybe has a year or 2 left. Make the move.

[rmcjacket23]

If we are going to give Brown more reps and he plays well could we use D. Smith as trade potential to a playoff team... we need players... we can get a 5 or 6 with him and use that to draft a speedster wr or undersized Pass rusher in the late rounds. Smith is starting to show his wear and maybe has a year or 2 left. Make the move.

The trade deadline is two weeks away. You don't have enough time to evaluate Brown in that period to determine if trading Daryl is the right thing to do.

[BSHU_Miami]

So what's he going to play? OLB, a position that doesn't suit his strengths at all?

the times I've seen him he was a great rusher so yes olb, sadly we don't have a creative DC who can scheme him to his strengths regardless so yes it is a moot point

[rmcjacket23]

the times I've seen him he was a great rusher so yes olb, sadly we don't have a creative DC who can scheme him to his strengths regardless so yes it is a moot point

LOL, he's not the kind of talent you scheme for...

 

You can't scheme to the strengths of all 11 players on the field, because in many cases their strengths conflict with the strengths of the other people they are playing with.

[BSHU_Miami]

LOL, he's not the kind of talent you scheme for...

 

You can't scheme to the strengths of all 11 players on the field, because in many cases their strengths conflict with the strengths of the other people they are playing with.[/quote

LOL, he's not the kind of talent you scheme for...

 

You can't scheme to the strengths of all 11 players on the field, because in many cases their strengths conflict with the strengths of the other people they are playing with.

well we'll never know that wont we. I think he'll be better uber new direction. Looking forward to watching him burst on the scene with Rex next year.

[rmcjacket23]

ame="rmcjacket23" post="2254299" timestamp="1445263823"]LOL, he's not the kind of talent you scheme for...

 

You can't scheme to the strengths of all 11 players on the field, because in many cases their strengths conflict with the strengths of the other people they are playing with.[/quotewell we'll never know that wont we. I think he'll be better uber new direction. Looking forward to watching him burst on the scene with Rex next year.

Rex probably won't touch him... he doesn't fit the kind of player he's looking for.

 

Plus, Rex has his own problems. He has to figure out why his uber talented defense is struggling, and why his pass rushers who are perfect fits for a 4-3 and are now being asked to rush in a 3-4 AND play in coverage are unhappy.

 

Ask Mario Williams if he thinks Rex is really good at scheming to the strengths of all of his players. We already know the answer...

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000560221/article/mario-williams-sounds-off-on-bills-defensive-scheme

[JoeyFlex5]

While I agree that it probably is time to start letting some younger guys play...

 

This should NOT be done at the expense of quality players who are playing just fine. Enter... Arthur Brown...

 

If Arthur Brown starts seeing more playing time, by definition, somebody starts seeing less playing time. Meaning... either CJ or Daryl Smith goes to the bench.

 

We know it won't be CJ, because he's the present and the future. So basically... how do you as a coach walk up to a veteran like Daryl Smith, who's really played just fine for most of the season, and tell him that you are going to bench him or take him off the field more, not because of anything he personally has done, but because the team around him sucks so bad that you have to give younger guys who you already beat out for the job more playing time?

 

Sorry, I don't see it. You want to bench somebody like Kendrick Lewis or basically any WR not named Steve Smith and give younger guys a chance at positions where the team is struggling at to begin with... completely fine. More snaps for Terrence Brooks over Lewis? Sure.

 

But if we're going to go into full blown evaluation mode, then bench literally everybody. Bench Marshal Yanda for John Urschel. Sounds stupid right? I don't see the difference between doing that and benching Daryl Smith for Art Brown.

 

You don't bench players who haven't earned a benching, regardless of what the record is. When you're 1-5, there's obviously plenty of people who aren't playing well, and they are the one's that deserve to get benched.

tel Daryl smith that our defense severely lacks speed and we wanna mix it up by throwing some speed in there?

[Tru11]

the times I've seen him he was a great rusher so yes olb, sadly we don't have a creative DC who can scheme him to his strengths regardless so yes it is a moot point

 

 

 

ow my this is gold.

 

you seriously think blitzing is the same as rushing the passer like doom is doing?

 

his strength at this point is blitzing from the ILB position, this does not mean he has the skills to be an outside pass rusher 

[rmcjacket23]

tel Daryl smith that our defense severely lacks speed and we wanna mix it up by throwing some speed in there?

Needless to say, I think he's smart enough to see through that. He knows who Art Brown is and he knows how he plays. And how he plays is simply not as good...

 

I'd rather have guys who can actually tackle than speed.

[Yzskdkfk]

Whats this stuff about Arthur Brown.  If Arthur Brown isn't playing its because he can't beat out the players in front of him to play.  Thats how football and other sports work.  You have to win your position against your competition.  He can't cut it.

[RaineV1]

We can get decent offensive players in the mid rounds, as we've already proven.  What we need is top defensive talent in the first two rounds, that doesn't fall into the mid rounds.

So we'll get another Tandem Doss and then be shocked when he doesn't do well.

[Static]

This coaching staff sucks at developing players.

How does Mosley and Jimmy get worse?

We've never developed a WR Either

Fkacco still makes rookie mistakes

[BSHU_Miami]

 

 

ow my this is gold.

 

you seriously think blitzing is the same as rushing the passer like doom is doing?

 

his strength at this point is blitzing from the ILB position, this does not mean he has the skills to be an outside pass rusher 

Does it really matter at this point? 

[Tru11]

Does it really matter at this point? 

 

it does.

 

as a OLB in 3-4 he would be worse at setting the edge as upshaw/doom/smith and he would probably be an even worse pass rusher then upshaw lol.

 

he does not have the build to be a 3-4 OLB.

nor does he have the skill set to play that position.

[GrimCoconut]

Honestly, I've been thinking and I'd almost be willing to see if we can get Jernigan to slim down like McPhee and try to be an OLB. He's been inconsistent at DT and may be better just going after the ball as a pass rusher and set the edge.

[Static]

Honestly, I've been thinking and I'd almost be willing to see if we can get Jernigan to slim down like McPhee and try to be an OLB. He's been inconsistent at DT and may be better just going after the ball as a pass rusher and set the edge.

Timmy always did rush very upright and he has great hands. interesting proposal

[Ravens2343]

Honestly, I've been thinking and I'd almost be willing to see if we can get Jernigan to slim down like McPhee and try to be an OLB. He's been inconsistent at DT and may be better just going after the ball as a pass rusher and set the edge.

 

I don't think that is something we should consider.  Jernigan is an asset on our defensive line and has already slimmed down to roughly 300 lbs.  How much more do you want to ask him to drop?  To fix our problem we need to draft someone that fits the position.  Floyd, Jenkins, Lawson and others in this years draft would be much better options. 

[52liveforever]

Honestly, I've been thinking and I'd almost be willing to see if we can get Jernigan to slim down like McPhee and try to be an OLB. He's been inconsistent at DT and may be better just going after the ball as a pass rusher and set the edge.

I think Urban would be more of an intriguing option for that. I think Jernigan is too slow. He is quick, but he's not running by anyone.

[JO_75]

I see people saying we should bench people for younger guys, I only see one case where this actually could work. Chris Canty missed five games last year and so far has missed four games this year if I'm correct. Trade or cut him and keep Lawrence Guy in. Guy has been filling in well since Canty has been injured. Cut or trade Canty and let Guy get more experience. 

[ravensdfan]

I hate for us to judge anyone on the defensive side as long as Pees is the DC tbh. We've seen guys who looked like peewee players here go and be alright or better elsewhere this year. In order to fairly evaluate the defense, Pees needs to be the first one to go IMO.

 

I do want us to get the young guys out there though. Need to see what we have in order to make the right moves come draft time. BPA has run its course unless there are no decent players available that fill a need.

[DomMcRaven]

I want to see Arthur Brown on the field more this season, at 1-5 getting him valuable game reps could not hurt.  Pees would rather go with McClellan as a rusher then Brown?  Brooks was inactive yesterday, but I think moving forward they will give him more reps especially with Lewis going down yesterday.  Harbaugh touched on it yesterday that our coaches are not putting players in position to make plays and I believe that was a direct shot to Pees.

Now I don't watch the pressers (except for the State of the Ravens), but for Harbs to say that should mean the handwriting's on the wall....at the end of the season. 

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think that is something we should consider. Jernigan is an asset on our defensive line and has already slimmed down to roughly 300 lbs. How much more do you want to ask him to drop? To fix our problem we need to draft someone that fits the position. Floyd, Jenkins, Lawson and others in this years draft would be much better options.

Oh I know, but we've done it before with McPhee. I really liked what we saw from Jernigan last year, though, so I agree in that I'd rather not change Jernigan. It's just a thought and doesn't matter much since I have zero input into the Ravens' decisions, lol.

[GrimCoconut]

I think Urban would be more of an intriguing option for that. I think Jernigan is too slow. He is quick, but he's not running by anyone.

Yeah, Urban is another guy who could and probably more likely to do it. He's actually played OLB for us in camp last year, so there's more precedence there. I was just thinking that maybe Jernigan may play better because I've seen him out there sometimes seemingly not giving full effort. I'm just trying to make sense of it. I'm probably wrong in my idea, though.

He probably wouldn't do well at OLB anyway. I think he's a little stiff turning the corner.

[Purple Punishment]

Nick Boyle plays MEAN!!! I want to see him get more targets

[52liveforever]

Yeah, Urban is another guy who could and probably more likely to do it. He's actually played OLB for us in camp last year, so there's more precedence there. I was just thinking that maybe Jernigan may play better because I've seen him out there sometimes seemingly not giving full effort. I'm just trying to make sense of it. I'm probably wrong in my idea, though.

He probably wouldn't do well at OLB anyway. I think he's a little stiff turning the corner.

Yeah I think he just has work ethic issues. I think he's realizing his physical talents aren't going to get him through every snap all game. Hopefully this season will wake him up.

[BSHU_Miami]

it does.

as a OLB in 3-4 he would be worse at setting the edge as upshaw/doom/smith and he would probably be an even worse pass rusher then upshaw lol.

he does not have the build to be a 3-4 OLB.

nor does he have the skill set to play that position.

again does it really matter at this point.... We're not going nowhere, peas already plays people out of position anyways, why not is my question. If he fails big whoop, we suck anyways. Even then as in in line rusher on 3rd down just get him some damn snaps. We have nothing to lose except more games.

[rmcjacket23]

again does it really matter at this point.... We're not going nowhere, peas already plays people out of position anyways, why not is my question. If he fails big whoop, we suck anyways. Even then as in in line rusher on 3rd down just get him some damn snaps. We have nothing to lose except more games.

O there's definitely something to lose. You lose the guys that you benched in order to give a guy who didn't earn it more playing time. And those guys might be players you are depending on in the future, since we aren't replacing everybody on this team.

 

Losses aren't only felt on the scoreboard. 

[Militant X 1]

This coaching staff sucks at developing players.

How does Mosley and Jimmy get worse?

We've never developed a WR Either

Fkacco still makes rookie mistakes

 

True!

[BSHU_Miami]

O there's definitely something to lose. You lose the guys that you benched in order to give a guy who didn't earn it more playing time. And those guys might be players you are depending on in the future, since we aren't replacing everybody on this team.

Losses aren't only felt on the scoreboard.

Daryl smith? I think we'll live.

[Tru11]

again does it really matter at this point.... We're not going nowhere, peas already plays people out of position anyways, why not is my question. If he fails big whoop, we suck anyways. Even then as in in line rusher on 3rd down just get him some damn snaps. We have nothing to lose except more games.

 

ofcourse it matters.

 

if you want to evaluate a player you have to do it at the position he plays .

 

there is 0 point playing a player out of position for evaluation purposes....