Its Time To Develop The Next Generation

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Now that our Season is in the Toilet, it is time to start developing future Ravens.

There are guys on the last year of their deals that we are not going to resign.

I want to see Arthur Brown on the field with Mosely as an example, to see if chemistry can develop, and if they can become a dominant force in the middle. I love D Smith, but he is not the future. The last thing I want to happen, is for us to scrap Arthur, and he becomes a pro bowler for the Cowboys or something.

Thoughts?

[Ravenseconbeast]

Brown is garbage.  He was terrible in preseason.   Most folks wants to think he was amazing going against 4th stringers that were all cut.   

Stop with Arthur Brown...

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Brown is garbage.  He was terrible in preseason.   Most folks wants to think he was amazing going against 4th stringers that were all cut.   

Stop with Arthur Brown...

Who else then would you want to see get more playing time?

[Edgar]

wouldnt mind seeing brown get some time. Hoping Maxx williams sees an increase in targets.

[PurpleCity5]

I wouldn't be upset if Brown got more reps tbh. 

[Dewy101]

Only player on our defense that is playing like he's worth anything is Brandon Williams. Everyone else is garbage

[DefensiveMind]

More terrence brooks, urschel, maxx williams, buck allen, z smith, c davis

[GrimCoconut]

I honestly think this team is very good. I think we're just missing two guys. We need that one guy on offense and defense who can take over a game and who plays with attitude without the obligatory penalties.

[BSHU_Miami]

I'm going to keep saying this....I think Art Brown and on a lesser note Matt Elam are a victim of pees. Elam never should have been a first round pick but damn he's not a slot corner pees. I understand the injuries that year but in no way shape or form that our strong safety should have been covering wr you're asking for too much. Elam should have been a box safety primarily used to sniff out screens and blitz. They really asked too much of the kid....

Art brown I seriously am dumbfounded how we can't at least use him as a rusher. We have this ultra athletic LB and we can't do anything with him? Not even rush the passer? A real DC would've taken advantage of his speed and use him Where he can play, he's a 2nd round pick and was dominate in college. I just refuse to believe he lost all of that talent to where he can't get into a game in his career no way.

Brooks is another speed guy we can't seem to do anything with. Another talent in college. All of a sudden bad in baltimore.. All of this falls on peas IMO. I don't want to make this about pees but he has to go in order to kickstart the youth movement. I have a feeling these players wouldn't look half as bad in a new scheme

[52liveforever]

I'm going to keep saying this....I think Art Brown and on a lesser note Matt Elam are a victim of pees. Elam never should have been a first round pick but damn he's not a slot corner pees. I understand the injuries that year but in no way shape or form that our strong safety should have been covering wr you're asking for too much. Elam should have been a box safety primarily used to sniff out screens and blitz. They really asked too much of the kid....

Art brown I seriously am dumbfounded how we can't at least use him as a rusher. We have this ultra athletic LB and we can't do anything with him? Not even rush the passer? A real DC would've taken advantage of his speed and use him Where he can play, he's a 2nd round pick and was dominate in college. I just refuse to believe he lost all of that talent to where he can't get into a game in his career no way.

Brooks is another speed guy we can't seem to do anything with. Another talent in college. All of a sudden bad in baltimore.. All of this falls on peas IMO. I don't want to make this about pees but he has to go in order to kickstart the youth movement. I have a feeling these players wouldn't look half as bad in a new scheme

 

I just don't think pees knows how to stop the pass. Honestly I think we have more talent on this defense than some of the yrs that Rex was here. If Rex had this defense we would be top 5. For one he knows how to fire up his defense. If we cant have a lewis, reed or a suggs on the field to keep the defenses heart beating then we need a defensive coordinator that can. Pees is too ho hum. We need a coordinator with some fire 

[RaineV1]

I'm going to keep saying this....I think Art Brown and on a lesser note Matt Elam are a victim of pees. Elam never should have been a first round pick but damn he's not a slot corner pees. I understand the injuries that year but in no way shape or form that our strong safety should have been covering wr you're asking for too much. Elam should have been a box safety primarily used to sniff out screens and blitz. They really asked too much of the kid....

Art brown I seriously am dumbfounded how we can't at least use him as a rusher. We have this ultra athletic LB and we can't do anything with him? Not even rush the passer? A real DC would've taken advantage of his speed and use him Where he can play, he's a 2nd round pick and was dominate in college. I just refuse to believe he lost all of that talent to where he can't get into a game in his career no way.

Brooks is another speed guy we can't seem to do anything with. Another talent in college. All of a sudden bad in baltimore.. All of this falls on peas IMO. I don't want to make this about pees but he has to go in order to kickstart the youth movement. I have a feeling these players wouldn't look half as bad in a new scheme

I'm gonna agree, especially with Brooks. He's very fast, and would be far better covering people deep than what Kendrick Lewis has been. Also, it seems like he'd be a great blitzer. Pees just never seems to get the best out of his players, or put them in the best position. It's amazing watching the Steeler's defensive coordinator and seeing what he's done with that defense compared to what Pees has done with ours.

[usmccharles]

We need to get the young Wrs in there and see what they can do.  I know a lot of people on here think Aiken is in our future, Im not a fan but hes on pace for 720 yards and 5TDs, i guess thats ok #2 stats. 

 

I think MBrown should be gone, i just see nothing from a guy that is 6'5, one year wonder?

 

I like Ross a lot, i want to see him get more in the return game for sure

 

Where is Jermey Butler?

 

Camp- I think the FO gives him one more year

[PurpleCity5]

Now that I think more about it, I would like to see Brown and Brooks get more reps. We are a slow team. We need some athleticism. I don't believe Brown has earned his job yet, but at 1-5, why not lol.

[Ravens2343]

I'm going to keep saying this....I think Art Brown and on a lesser note Matt Elam are a victim of pees. Elam never should have been a first round pick but damn he's not a slot corner pees. I understand the injuries that year but in no way shape or form that our strong safety should have been covering wr you're asking for too much. Elam should have been a box safety primarily used to sniff out screens and blitz. They really asked too much of the kid....

Art brown I seriously am dumbfounded how we can't at least use him as a rusher. We have this ultra athletic LB and we can't do anything with him? Not even rush the passer? A real DC would've taken advantage of his speed and use him Where he can play, he's a 2nd round pick and was dominate in college. I just refuse to believe he lost all of that talent to where he can't get into a game in his career no way.

Brooks is another speed guy we can't seem to do anything with. Another talent in college. All of a sudden bad in baltimore.. All of this falls on peas IMO. I don't want to make this about pees but he has to go in order to kickstart the youth movement. I have a feeling these players wouldn't look half as bad in a new scheme

 

I want to see Arthur Brown on the field more this season, at 1-5 getting him valuable game reps could not hurt.  Pees would rather go with McClellan as a rusher then Brown?  Brooks was inactive yesterday, but I think moving forward they will give him more reps especially with Lewis going down yesterday.  Harbaugh touched on it yesterday that our coaches are not putting players in position to make plays and I believe that was a direct shot to Pees.

[Ravens2343]

We need to get the young Wrs in there and see what they can do.  I know a lot of people on here think Aiken is in our future, Im not a fan but hes on pace for 720 yards and 5TDs, i guess thats ok #2 stats. 

 

I think MBrown should be gone, i just see nothing from a guy that is 6'5, one year wonder?

 

I like Ross a lot, i want to see him get more in the return game for sure

 

Where is Jermey Butler?

 

Camp- I think the FO gives him one more year

 

Marlon Brown is awful and should be cut now in favor of Jeremy Butler.  What has Brown done so far that Butler could not do?  Aiken should be our 5th or 6th wideout, not our #2.  Next year I expect them to bring in a veteran and atleast 1 high draft pick if not 2 at wide receiver.  Campanaro is good and its unfortunate he has gotten hurt a lot, I think he deserves one more year.

[rmcjacket23]

While I agree that it probably is time to start letting some younger guys play...

 

This should NOT be done at the expense of quality players who are playing just fine. Enter... Arthur Brown...

 

If Arthur Brown starts seeing more playing time, by definition, somebody starts seeing less playing time. Meaning... either CJ or Daryl Smith goes to the bench.

 

We know it won't be CJ, because he's the present and the future. So basically... how do you as a coach walk up to a veteran like Daryl Smith, who's really played just fine for most of the season, and tell him that you are going to bench him or take him off the field more, not because of anything he personally has done, but because the team around him sucks so bad that you have to give younger guys who you already beat out for the job more playing time?

 

Sorry, I don't see it. You want to bench somebody like Kendrick Lewis or basically any WR not named Steve Smith and give younger guys a chance at positions where the team is struggling at to begin with... completely fine. More snaps for Terrence Brooks over Lewis? Sure.

 

But if we're going to go into full blown evaluation mode, then bench literally everybody. Bench Marshal Yanda for John Urschel. Sounds stupid right? I don't see the difference between doing that and benching Daryl Smith for Art Brown.

 

You don't bench players who haven't earned a benching, regardless of what the record is. When you're 1-5, there's obviously plenty of people who aren't playing well, and they are the one's that deserve to get benched.

[usmccharles]

Marlon Brown is awful and should be cut now in favor of Jeremy Butler.  What has Brown done so far that Butler could not do?  Aiken should be our 5th or 6th wideout, not our #2.  Next year I expect them to bring in a veteran and atleast 1 high draft pick if not 2 at wide receiver.  Campanaro is good and its unfortunate he has gotten hurt a lot, I think he deserves one more year.

We agree on Brown.  Im all for bringing in Butler, thats why i was asking about him.  Ive been preaching the vet WR for some time now, im sticking with my gut in Vjax, Garcon, R.White

[usmccharles]

 

 

We know it won't be CJ, because he's the present and the future. So basically... how do you as a coach walk up to a veteran like Daryl Smith, who's really played just fine for most of the season, and tell him that you are going to bench him or take him off the field more, not because of anything he personally has done, but because the team around him sucks so bad that you have to give younger guys who you already beat out for the job more playing time?

 

 

Well it is a business.  And that could be a costly decision.  Im not arguing for either way and i see your point. 

 

Is it better for the team to sit DSmith who most likely wont be here and give Brown playing time so we can see what he really has, to re-sign him?

 

Or do we let DSmith play the whole year and go into the off season, let Brown walk then have a whole to fill with out evauluating.

 

Or do we try to sign him to a cheap deal wcich could go one of two ways: 1) we get him very cheap and he plays lights out and we got a steal.  2) hes a bust like most thought and hes stuck on our roster being paid. 

Edited October 19, 2015 by usmccharles

[Ravens2343]

We agree on Brown.  Im all for bringing in Butler, thats why i was asking about him.  Ive been preaching the vet WR for some time now, im sticking with my gut in Vjax, Garcon, R.White

 

Out of those 3 I would prefer Garcon, he knows how to get open and can line up anywhere on the field.  Its a dream at this point but a wide receiver depth chart next year of Garcon, Perriman, High Draft Pick, Campanaro, Waller and Givens/Aiken or Draft Pick would be much better then what we have now. 

[usmccharles]

Out of those 3 I would prefer Garcon, he knows how to get open and can line up anywhere on the field.  Its a dream at this point but a wide receiver depth chart next year of Garcon, Perriman, High Draft Pick, Campanaro, Waller and Givens/Aiken or Draft Pick would be much better then what we have now. 

And sadly, that isnt saying much. 

[Tru11]

While I agree that it probably is time to start letting some younger guys play...

 

This should NOT be done at the expense of quality players who are playing just fine. Enter... Arthur Brown...

 

If Arthur Brown starts seeing more playing time, by definition, somebody starts seeing less playing time. Meaning... either CJ or Daryl Smith goes to the bench.

 

We know it won't be CJ, because he's the present and the future. So basically... how do you as a coach walk up to a veteran like Daryl Smith, who's really played just fine for most of the season, and tell him that you are going to bench him or take him off the field more, not because of anything he personally has done, but because the team around him sucks so bad that you have to give younger guys who you already beat out for the job more playing time?

 

Sorry, I don't see it. You want to bench somebody like Kendrick Lewis or basically any WR not named Steve Smith and give younger guys a chance at positions where the team is struggling at to begin with... completely fine. More snaps for Terrence Brooks over Lewis? Sure.

 

But if we're going to go into full blown evaluation mode, then bench literally everybody. Bench Marshal Yanda for John Urschel. Sounds stupid right? I don't see the difference between doing that and benching Daryl Smith for Art Brown.

 

You don't bench players who haven't earned a benching, regardless of what the record is. When you're 1-5, there's obviously plenty of people who aren't playing well, and they are the one's that deserve to get benched.

 

they haven't thought this through lol

[Ravens2343]

And sadly, that isnt saying much. 

 

No its not and it wouldn't be a surprise to see us go hard on defense in the draft and leave Flacco with spare parts again on offense.  We need speed and explosiveness on offense and this years draft has a lot of that, hopefully Ozzie takes advantage

[rmcjacket23]

Well it is a business.  And that could be a costly decision.  Im not arguing for either way and i see your point. 

 

Is it better for the team to sit DSmith who most likely wont be here and give Brown playing time so we can see what he really has, to re-sign him?

 

Or do we let DSmith play the whole year and go into the off season, let Brown walk then have a whole to fill with out evauluating.

 

Or do we try to sign him to a cheap deal wcich could go one of two ways: 1) we get him very cheap and he plays lights out and we got a steal.  2) hes a bust like most thought and hes stuck on our roster being paid. 

But for me... I'm not convinced Daryl Smith won't be here. 

 

For one, you've got Art Brown for 2016, since that's the last year of his contract. So if you're willing to give him a shot to be the starting guy by releasing Daryl, next year is that opportunity.

 

The problem is... if you bench Daryl, give Art playing time, and realize he can't play, you either have to keep Daryl, or you cut them both and now you have a big whole at MLB again, which isn't good for a team with plenty of holes to fill.

 

And if you're Daryl... why would you want to come back after being benched through no fault of your own?

 

You can botch the entire situation by simply benching a guy who doesn't deserve to be benched to begin with.

 

I think this is moot, because I don't think its happening anyway, but there's risk to playing guys just for youth and "evaluation" when the guy you are benching hasn't earned the benching.

[usmccharles]

But for me... I'm not convinced Daryl Smith won't be here.

For one, you've got Art Brown for 2016, since that's the last year of his contract. So if you're willing to give him a shot to be the starting guy by releasing Daryl, next year is that opportunity.

The problem is... if you bench Daryl, give Art playing time, and realize he can't play, you either have to keep Daryl, or you cut them both and now you have a big whole at MLB again, which isn't good for a team with plenty of holes to fill.

And if you're Daryl... why would you want to come back after being benched through no fault of your own?

You can botch the entire situation by simply benching a guy who doesn't deserve to be benched to begin with.

I think this is moot, because I don't think its happening anyway, but there's risk to playing guys just for youth and "evaluation" when the guy you are benching hasn't earned the benching.

I hope your right as I really like D smith, I wasn't aware brown had another year, so that changes that whole topic.

[BSHU_Miami]

Who says we have to bench CJ or Daryl? Brown doesn't have to strictly play ILB.

[Yzskdkfk]

This team is lacking talent.  We saw that during the preseason when our #2's and #3's couldn't compete, and now they are filling in for the starters who are injured.  We need this bad year, and perhaps another one like we had back in 97 to get some Top Talent.  Hopefully Ozzie can pick decent players instead of the mishaps with Elam and Brown.  Hopefully the team can draft high enough to get some Secondary talent, especially when the teams likely to pick ahead of them will also be looking to reach for that talent, and there might not be much to be had in the upcoming draft.

[Yzskdkfk]

No its not and it wouldn't be a surprise to see us go hard on defense in the draft and leave Flacco with spare parts again on offense.  We need speed and explosiveness on offense and this years draft has a lot of that, hopefully Ozzie takes advantage

 

We can get decent offensive players in the mid rounds, as we've already proven.  What we need is top defensive talent in the first two rounds, that doesn't fall into the mid rounds.

[rmcjacket23]

Who says we have to bench CJ or Daryl? Brown doesn't have to strictly play ILB.

So what's he going to play? OLB, a position that doesn't suit his strengths at all?

[ravensfan520]

I'm going to keep saying this....I think Art Brown and on a lesser note Matt Elam are a victim of pees. Elam never should have been a first round pick but damn he's not a slot corner pees. I understand the injuries that year but in no way shape or form that our strong safety should have been covering wr you're asking for too much. Elam should have been a box safety primarily used to sniff out screens and blitz. They really asked too much of the kid....

Art brown I seriously am dumbfounded how we can't at least use him as a rusher. We have this ultra athletic LB and we can't do anything with him? Not even rush the passer? A real DC would've taken advantage of his speed and use him Where he can play, he's a 2nd round pick and was dominate in college. I just refuse to believe he lost all of that talent to where he can't get into a game in his career no way.

Brooks is another speed guy we can't seem to do anything with. Another talent in college. All of a sudden bad in baltimore.. All of this falls on peas IMO. I don't want to make this about pees but he has to go in order to kickstart the youth movement. I have a feeling these players wouldn't look half as bad in a new scheme

I agree with that... but I will extend a little further and say next year would be the perfect time to retool and step away from Flacco. I know everyone believes he is a franchise qb... maybe he is but he has a major contract that needs to be reworked and we are looking at a top 10 pick. So why not use the money we save by trading him to a team with cap space or cutting him and using the money to get playmakers for a young qb to develop with. The team needs to be retooled. I can live with a few down years if we can develop the team instead of using to many cap casualty veterans on their last leg. We had a great run and we can have another if we can draft well and not be afraid to make big moves in free agency. If Suggs is healthy we need to keep him and Upshaw. Pick up a real corner and stop messing around with cut players.

I know that sounds a little crazy but Flacco may have the ability to make all the throws and had a great postseason but he is just like Favre with the gunslinger mentality and throwing too many int... and you see how many superbowls Favre won... we need to move on instead of trying to string it out for many years past his prime. If we go with a youth movement... it needs to be all around.

Maybe even bring in a youth movement in coaching staff as well. The game has evolved and the old guys hanging around are not.

[Purple_ICE 81]

What we really need is for one of our talented young guys to step up, grow up and become a leader. We have been labeled "undisciplined" every game this season by analysts, commentators, and common sense would warrant that there definitely a lack of leadership out there. Most likely due to Suggs not being out there but we just look to be playing with no emotion out there.

And the thing is Suggs isn't going to be here forever. What happens after he is gone? Someone has to take control of this team and unfortunately we have a lot of quiet guys (Jimmy, Mosley, Williams, Jernigan etc) who have openly denied and disputed taking the leadership role only to pull the Flacco card saying they will lead by example on the field, but you can't lead by example when your examples are god awful.