[News] Joe Flacco: Starts With Me Not Making 'Stupid' Mistakes

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

well technically he's on pace to throw for well over 4000 yards and that would be a career high. And that's with one 36 year old weapon. But he obviously has been throwing far too many interceptions. But playing devils advocate If his other receivers would get open he wouldn't have to attempt to squeeze the ball in such tight windows and wouldn't have to force feed Steve smith. And more importantly if the defense would actually hold a lead he wouldn't have nearly as many attempts. But yeah there was no excuse for that one interception the other day.

You mean both of them? Not seeing a LB underneath, not really a good reason either... Force feed Steve? Joe has locked onto his primary reciever religiously since coming into the league, from Mason to Torrey to Quan, in fact that's the reason for most of the picks, trying to force it to his primary with poor anticipation. We'll more than likely finish with 4 wins or so. 4000 yards on a 4 win team is a pyrrhic victory at best, especially when your TD/INT ratio will probably be negative. I feel you trying to be positive and that's awesome that you still can be brother. I've just seen the same old same old enough to be over it. But everything is wrong not just Joe.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Run Pass Pass Punt

[January J]

You mean both of them? Not seeing a LB underneath, not really a good reason either... Force feed Steve? Joe has locked onto his primary reciever religiously since coming into the league, from Mason to Torrey to Quan, in fact that's the reason for most of the picks, trying to force it to his primary with poor anticipation. We'll more than likely finish with 4 wins or so. 4000 yards on a 4 win team is a pyrrhic victory at best, especially when your TD/INT ratio will probably be negative. I feel you trying to be positive and that's awesome that you still can be brother. I've just seen the same old same old enough to be over it. But everything is wrong not just Joe.

yeah both of them were pretty ugly I was just referring to the one bc it was probably the worst I've seen all year from any qb next to Brian hoyer. And yes joe has locked in to his primary receiver his entire career because his entire career his receiving corps has been pretty lackluster. We've never really had more than 1 receiver that was actually a playmaker. the closest thing he's actually had to multiple targets was Torrey and anquan- and go figure that was the year we won the Super Bowl and he lit it up. Then we got rid of anquan and he regressed bc he had to rely on force feeding Torrey ( once again where primarily most of his interceptions came) ..it's pretty obvious to me. I guess you can call it an excuse but joes never been the guy that makes the players around him better and carries a team. But give him a few weapons that will actually get open and make plays and he will manage the game and put up enough points to get you the victory. That's where we went wrong and when a lot of ppl get let down thinking joes gonna single handedly carry us to victory when he's just not that guy. I think we will manage atleast 7 or 8 victories with help from the second half of the schedule- the fact that we've played so horribly but still competed and nearly won every single game tells me that if we actually start playing well we can stack some wins and also that not everything's wrong and a few adjustments in the offseason and we can be right back at it.

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

yeah both of them were pretty ugly I was just referring to the one bc it was probably the worst I've seen all year from any qb next to Brian hoyer. And yes joe has locked in to his primary receiver his entire career because his entire career his receiving corps has been pretty lackluster. We've never really had more than 1 receiver that was actually a playmaker. the closest thing he's actually had to multiple targets was Torrey and anquan- and go figure that was the year we won the Super Bowl and he lit it up. Then we got rid of anquan and he regressed bc he had to rely on force feeding Torrey ( once again where primarily most of his interceptions came) ..it's pretty obvious to me. I guess you can call it an excuse but joes never been the guy that makes the players around him better and carries a team. But give him a few weapons that will actually get open and make plays and he will manage the game and put up enough points to get you the victory. That's where we went wrong and when a lot of ppl get let down thinking joes gonna single handedly carry us to victory when he's just not that guy. I think we will manage atleast 7 or 8 victories with help from the second half of the schedule- the fact that we've played so horribly but still competed and nearly won every single game tells me that if we actually start playing well we can stack some wins and also that not everything's wrong and a few adjustments in the offseason and we can be right back at it.

Agreed.

[riseNConquer81]

This dude has blinders on, last week he was telling me what a good year Flacco's having and no one can prove he's not.

i never said anything of the sort.

nice strawman argument.

wanna talk about what i actually do say, or can we call this one early?

[riseNConquer81]

That's where we went wrong and when a lot of ppl get let down thinking joes gonna single handedly carry us to victory when he's just not that guy.

where "we" went wrong is thinking that ANY quarterback ever single handedly carries anybody to victory because NO ONE is that guy.

give me any instance in which you consider a quarterback to have "carried" some one to victory, and i will name you at least 2 pass catchers on their roster more talented than anybody we have outside of Smith Senior.

Edited October 21, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[January J]

where "we" went wrong is thinking that ANY quarterback ever single handedly carries anybody to victory because NO ONE is that guy.give me any instance in which you consider a quarterback to have "carried" some one to victory, and i will name you at least 2 pass catchers on their roster more talented than anybody we have outside of Smith Senior.

I think you know what I meant. He's not a Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers who makes the players around him better. But if you give him a few weapons he is a damn good and dangerous quarterback. The one time he actually had multiple Weapons ( boldin, Torrey, pitta ) was when he won the Super Bowl and tore it up.

[riseNConquer81]

I think you know what I meant. He's not a Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers who makes the players around him better. But if you give him a few weapons he is a damn good and dangerous quarterback. The one time he actually had multiple Weapons ( boldin, Torrey, pitta ) was when he won the Super Bowl and tore it up.

i do know what you mean, and what you mean is a myth.

I dont know why its so popular to discount the talent of any receiver that plays with Tom Brady or Aaron Rdogers, but its very annoying. Neither one of those dudes is playing with scrubs.

Edited October 22, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[voltesV]

What's the alternative?

 

Lets say you decide Joe sucks and only offer him like $12M a year, well below what most teams in the league who don't have a QB would pay him. He declines, and you cut him...

 

Who's the starting QB for this team then? You going to go back to the baron wasteland that is college for another QB? College teams are going out of their way to get guys who can't throw. Those Andrew Luck guys are generational players who don't grow on trees. If you really hit it out of the park, you'd get a Jameis Winston, who is absolutely nothing special at the QB position and isn't and probably will never be as good as Joe.

 

Basically, you'll be the Cleveland Browns. You'll spend the next decade drafting QB after QB, trying to find somebody who is at least somewhat as good as the guy you let go (Flacco), and it won't work out. Because in this league, if you don't have a QB, you got nothing.

 

The cost of not having a franchise QB on your team is ENORMOUS. Its far more costly than $20M a year or whatever Joe gets now or is going to get in the future. 

 

In what has become comically ironic in my opinion... fans are basically saying that Joe is being "selfish" by not taking less, yet the fans demanding that he does are also, in fact, being "selfish". They try to convince themselves that they are not being claiming the BS of "well the team as a whole is better", which is great and cute and all, except the only thing YOU, as the fan, care about is you feeling good about winning football games. 

 

Therefore, fans advocating that Joe take less are ultimately doing so in order for THEMSELVES to feel better. What that is, simply put, is selfish. 

 

Obviously the biggest comical concept of this whole thing is fans will 100% advocate that players do something that no person who has ever posted on this board would EVER do themselves in real life. No person here would ever voluntarily ask their employer to pay them less just so the company can make more money and so their colleagues can make more money.

Tom Brady voluntarily took a paycut to retain or acquire certain players to help his team out in 2013. He signed a cap friendly extension recently. Currently, he is making less than $10 million a year with his contract till 2017. This is the same QB who took his team to the superbowl 6 times winning 4. Shouldn't he be askin for more? I hate the Patriots as a fan of the Ravens. But theres something about them wanting to win thats commendable, cheating aside. Now let's go back to Flacco restructuring his contract...