[News] Joe Flacco: Starts With Me Not Making 'Stupid' Mistakes

[voltesV]

Making dumb throws like that don't make you worth $20 million a year Joe. Please let the Ravens restructure your contract so that we can get studs in the team. Looking forward next year.

[Arch Mage]

Let's give Joe some help.

In watching the Green Bay games, I have noticed how well those bright yellow helmets stand out on the field and, seemingly, make it easier to identify Packer targets downfield.

Can we redesign the Ravens' helmets to a color that stands out better?

[feartheflock]

And some people still think Joe Flacco is as good as Aaron Rodgers.

[rmcjacket23]

 @mcjacket23, not sure I agree with you on this so can you explain why you say that.

What's the alternative?

 

Lets say you decide Joe sucks and only offer him like $12M a year, well below what most teams in the league who don't have a QB would pay him. He declines, and you cut him...

 

Who's the starting QB for this team then? You going to go back to the baron wasteland that is college for another QB? College teams are going out of their way to get guys who can't throw. Those Andrew Luck guys are generational players who don't grow on trees. If you really hit it out of the park, you'd get a Jameis Winston, who is absolutely nothing special at the QB position and isn't and probably will never be as good as Joe.

 

Basically, you'll be the Cleveland Browns. You'll spend the next decade drafting QB after QB, trying to find somebody who is at least somewhat as good as the guy you let go (Flacco), and it won't work out. Because in this league, if you don't have a QB, you got nothing.

 

The cost of not having a franchise QB on your team is ENORMOUS. Its far more costly than $20M a year or whatever Joe gets now or is going to get in the future. 

 

In what has become comically ironic in my opinion... fans are basically saying that Joe is being "selfish" by not taking less, yet the fans demanding that he does are also, in fact, being "selfish". They try to convince themselves that they are not being claiming the BS of "well the team as a whole is better", which is great and cute and all, except the only thing YOU, as the fan, care about is you feeling good about winning football games. 

 

Therefore, fans advocating that Joe take less are ultimately doing so in order for THEMSELVES to feel better. What that is, simply put, is selfish. 

 

Obviously the biggest comical concept of this whole thing is fans will 100% advocate that players do something that no person who has ever posted on this board would EVER do themselves in real life. No person here would ever voluntarily ask their employer to pay them less just so the company can make more money and so their colleagues can make more money. 

Edited October 19, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[Arch Mage]

John H thought he could pull off another OC change like in our Super Bowl year: new coach, old system. It did not work this time.  Kubiak understood the system; Pressman does not. (Look at the Seattle defense that is supposedly running the same systems as before but with a different coach, no luck.) Losing Kubiak has hurt us so much on offense; losing Ed and Ray has hurt us so much on defense.

Coaching IS important. Pees has to go, and we need yet another OC!  Gee can Kubiak and Pagano both get fired?
Last year we had 2 very good receivers who complemented each other. To think that SSS could carry this team until a rookie found his feet was unrealistic.  And without Perriman, we have never looked comfortable on offense and probably will not all year.  (Re: Injuries - The NFL and NFLPA need to come up with practice rules that help newly acquired or promoted players acclimate.)
Bad luck with Kubiak, injuries, and add to that the poor coaching.
This is the ultimate team sport.  The coaching staff is a team, the coaches and the players for whom they are responsible are a team, and then there are the players and how they team up.  We have all seen a player change teams and not have the same effect as the system is different, the coaches are different, and he has different teammates. 

Edited October 19, 2015 by Arch Mage

[slowboater]

The woulda-coulda-shoulda season continues. Outscored in the first half 81-50 through 6 games. Led just once at the half. Without a shut down defense, we can't climb back. And the lethargic, ineffective offense for the first half doesn't get going until it is too late. In game adjustments aren't effective for the current game. After practicing them for a week, maybe we can use them during the next game's 2nd half. Maybe we should start warming up earlier so that we aren't still in that mode for most of the first half.

If the Ravens had a lead there would be even less urgency. Even yesterday, when the Ravens were 2 TD's down, it took over 5 minutes of dink and dunk to get into the end zone. The Ravens have a history of shortening the game when they have a lead. Look at last week. They were in a prevent defense at the end of the first half and gave up a field goal. That was the difference in the game. Either the staff doesn't have much faith or they just don't want to play to win and instead play not to lose.

[slowboater]

What's the alternative?

 

...The cost of not having a franchise QB on your team is ENORMOUS. Its far more costly than $20M a year or whatever Joe gets now or is going to get in the future. 

 

In what has become comically ironic in my opinion... fans are basically saying that Joe is being "selfish" by not taking less, yet the fans demanding that he does are also, in fact, being "selfish". They try to convince themselves that they are not being claiming the BS of "well the team as a whole is better", which is great and cute and all, except the only thing YOU, as the fan, care about is you feeling good about winning football games. 

 

Therefore, fans advocating that Joe take less are ultimately doing so in order for THEMSELVES to feel better. What that is, simply put, is selfish. 

 

Obviously the biggest comical concept of this whole thing is fans will 100% advocate that players do something that no person who has ever posted on this board would EVER do themselves in real life. No person here would ever voluntarily ask their employer to pay them less just so the company can make more money and so their colleagues can make more money. 

Brady has taken less for years. He understands that to win, he needs a supporting cast and he is far superior to Joe. Webb understands as he was over paid and took a pay cut. Joe will get his $20M a year because the Ravens owe him so much on the back end of a Super Bowl winner's contract.

 

In this case, there is no right answer. Joe obviously deserved the lucrative contract but is regressing. Yes,I am grateful for another SB but must admit, I like others have become spoiled by the Ravens' success. The Ray Rice money. Ngata money. Pitta money. It has finally taken its toll on success. This mess will take years to correct.

[Gorgee3]

Kaepernick made better decisions and plays with less mistakes than Flacco. That's why we lost. Flacco needs to do more for what he is getting paid. He needs to use his legs. Run Joe Run! Atleast out of bounds and or try to gain yards when no one is open. No teams are respecting us because Joe sits there and takes the pressure in the pocket, makes bad decisions and doesn't run. Flacco. What happened to you?

[Arch Mage]

Brady has taken less for years. He understands that to win, he needs a supporting cast and he is far superior to Joe. Webb understands as he was over paid and took a pay cut. Joe will get his $20M a year because the Ravens owe him so much on the back end of a Super Bowl winner's contract.

 

In this case, there is no right answer. Joe obviously deserved the lucrative contract but is regressing. Yes,I am grateful for another SB but must admit, I like others have become spoiled by the Ravens' success. The Ray Rice money. Ngata money. Pitta money. It has finally taken its toll on success. This mess will take years to correct.

Tom has a super model wife who made $47 million dollars last year.  Are you suggesting that Joe should should get a divorce and marry for money so he can be as "team oriented" as Tom?

[Rave-O]

What's the alternative?

 

Lets say you decide Joe sucks and only offer him like $12M a year, well below what most teams in the league who don't have a QB would pay him. He declines, and you cut him...

 

Who's the starting QB for this team then? You going to go back to the baron wasteland that is college for another QB? College teams are going out of their way to get guys who can't throw. Those Andrew Luck guys are generational players who don't grow on trees. If you really hit it out of the park, you'd get a Jameis Winston, who is absolutely nothing special at the QB position and isn't and probably will never be as good as Joe.

 

Basically, you'll be the Cleveland Browns. You'll spend the next decade drafting QB after QB, trying to find somebody who is at least somewhat as good as the guy you let go (Flacco), and it won't work out. Because in this league, if you don't have a QB, you got nothing.

 

The cost of not having a franchise QB on your team is ENORMOUS. Its far more costly than $20M a year or whatever Joe gets now or is going to get in the future. 

 

In what has become comically ironic in my opinion... fans are basically saying that Joe is being "selfish" by not taking less, yet the fans demanding that he does are also, in fact, being "selfish". They try to convince themselves that they are not being claiming the BS of "well the team as a whole is better", which is great and cute and all, except the only thing YOU, as the fan, care about is you feeling good about winning football games. 

 

Therefore, fans advocating that Joe take less are ultimately doing so in order for THEMSELVES to feel better. What that is, simply put, is selfish. 

 

Obviously the biggest comical concept of this whole thing is fans will 100% advocate that players do something that no person who has ever posted on this board would EVER do themselves in real life. No person here would ever voluntarily ask their employer to pay them less just so the company can make more money and so their colleagues can make more money. 

Oh Ok, so the 'cost' you talk about is in terms of wins and losses not monetary cost. Well I guess an argument can be made on both sides of this regarding wins and losses. That could largely depend on who Ravens draft or what free agent they bring in. Seattle won early with young R. Wilson and the Ravens themseleves were a playoff team with a rookie Flacco and Denver did not do bad signing Manning, so this thinking that we have to have Joe no matter what the cost (monetary) is not true. If Joe was the kind of QB that could carry a team then maybe but Joe has to have real good players around him to succeed and in order to get that he needs to renegotiate that huge contract.

[Arch Mage]

And some people still think Joe Flacco is as good as Aaron Rodgers.

Joe is just not as consistent these days.  His Super Bowl run was pretty good though, but he had receivers.  I DO like how the Packer helmets stand out in that bright yellow color which seems to make them easier to spot down field.  Joe could use any help he can get.

[Rave-O]

Tom has a super model wife who made $47 million dollars last year.  Are you suggesting that Joe should should get a divorce and marry for money so he can be as "team oriented" as Tom?

Don't forget Big Ben also renegotiated so its not just Brady.

[January J]

What's the alternative?

 

Lets say you decide Joe sucks and only offer him like $12M a year, well below what most teams in the league who don't have a QB would pay him. He declines, and you cut him...

 

Who's the starting QB for this team then? You going to go back to the baron wasteland that is college for another QB? College teams are going out of their way to get guys who can't throw. Those Andrew Luck guys are generational players who don't grow on trees. If you really hit it out of the park, you'd get a Jameis Winston, who is absolutely nothing special at the QB position and isn't and probably will never be as good as Joe.

 

Basically, you'll be the Cleveland Browns. You'll spend the next decade drafting QB after QB, trying to find somebody who is at least somewhat as good as the guy you let go (Flacco), and it won't work out. Because in this league, if you don't have a QB, you got nothing.

 

The cost of not having a franchise QB on your team is ENORMOUS. Its far more costly than $20M a year or whatever Joe gets now or is going to get in the future. 

 

In what has become comically ironic in my opinion... fans are basically saying that Joe is being "selfish" by not taking less, yet the fans demanding that he does are also, in fact, being "selfish". They try to convince themselves that they are not being claiming the BS of "well the team as a whole is better", which is great and cute and all, except the only thing YOU, as the fan, care about is you feeling good about winning football games. 

 

Therefore, fans advocating that Joe take less are ultimately doing so in order for THEMSELVES to feel better. What that is, simply put, is selfish. 

 

Obviously the biggest comical concept of this whole thing is fans will 100% advocate that players do something that no person who has ever posted on this board would EVER do themselves in real life. No person here would ever voluntarily ask their employer to pay them less just so the company can make more money and so their colleagues can make more money.

I actually would do that, in a team sport where I'm already making millions of dollars- knowing that my teams success may actually lead to a bigger contract down the road...I would absolutely take less. But that's irrelevant, and I don't blame anybody who wouldn't either.

[ellicottraven]

"I for one thought in all seriousness this was the year Flacco would be a MVP candidate by throwing over 4500 yds with 30 TD and less than 10 INTs for the season"

 

What in the world made you think that with the WR and TE corp we went into the season with?I'm not trying to be antagonistic,I'm just dumb founded that you and a lot of others actually thought we had that type of passing attack.

I think you are conveniently forgetting that at the start of training camp, the receiving corps was supposedly our strength with Perriman being the fastest receiver in the league hype, Campanaro, Smith Sr., Marlon Brown and Kamar Aiken (taking the next step), etc. So, I am not completely out of line with that thinking and you shouldn't be dumbfounded anymore after reading my rationale hopefully.

[balfan23]

Same story, different day.

[ravensprobowld]

Ok I've had it with all the fair weather fans and people who know about football talking about joe. Yes he made two or three bad throws but that happens. Did you see the three dropped touchdowns by our best wide-out sss because i did. We have no weapons other than him. As a qb with no faith in who you throw to bad things happen no speed no separation no fighting for the ball no hands yup its on the qb. As for the money problems nagta,rice,pitta, equal 28 million in dead money joe makes 15 this year so learn whats what before you say he needs to take a pay cut so the team can be better. No we need players who are paid to play on the field not home. As to the defense to many young or new pieces they need time to learn to play together. The problem is they don't have time come here play one game get hurt out for most or all of the season. Jimmy stop studying how to get a pick start studying how to cover. Get some good wide-outs and the o will work fine. On d need guys that can play and stay healthy also pee's needs to be replaced. If you won't support the team now as a fan then find a new one to cheer for real ravens fans don't need you.

[balfan23]

Rich Gannon was going nuts in the booth on that final drive ... first when we let some 20 seconds run off instead of just spiking the ball (instead, we almost fumbled the snap and threw incomplete anyhow ...)

 

Then when we complete a ball down the middle of the field with no TOs and only 25 seconds left and the entire offense was jogging up field. No sense of urgency is putting this kindly.

 

I've seen teams down 3 TDs work harder to get to the line and save precious seconds, just because that's how you approach the situation. We still have a chance to win (something we haven't done a whole lot of) and we go nonchalant. He was yelling about the lineman, that that is on Joe. He needs to be rallying these guys and he's just strolling along with them.

 

There are just so many things wrong it is impossible to know where to start.

[riseNConquer81]

when your receiver group is garbage at this level, you dont have any choices. you're gonna have to force some plays in at some point because checkdowns, failed screens, and flares to Juice in the flat arent going to cut it, and continuing to take sacks and throw it away is pointless. So i dont mind the first one. Kamar Aiken will pretty much never be open, gotta do what you gotta do.

That second one i couldnt tell what happened. He definitely expected somebody to be over top. It looked like Buck was supposed to run a wheel and stopped for some reason. Probably cuz he thought Joe wasn't going to escape. rookie mistake: always finish your route. Anyway, if you're in field goal range and your offense is this weak, you throw it out of bounds when no one's open. have to. especially if the call was to go up top.

[riseNConquer81]

I think you are conveniently forgetting that at the start of training camp, the receiving corps was supposedly our strength with Perriman being the fastest receiver in the league hype, Campanaro, Smith Sr., Marlon Brown and Kamar Aiken (taking the next step), etc.

LMAO who told you that?!?! lol hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha come on man, nobody outside of these message boards wold ever have said anything this naive. you fell for the fan hype, that's your fault.

[riseNConquer81]

Making dumb throws like that don't make you worth $20 million a year Joe. Please let the Ravens restructure your contract so that we can get studs in the team. Looking forward next year.

i hope he doesnt. i hope they cut him actually. then go out and get the $500K/year QB that you all want and a bunch of receivers that he wont do anything with, so you all can see what a bad quarterback actually looks like (since for some reason or another nobody got a good picture the first 12 years) and yall can stop coming for Joe's (quite reasonable, especially given what he's had to work with most of the time and his success despite) contract.

P.S.: we're still paying Ray Rice and Haloti Ngata about $18M or so right now. Joe is at least still on the team.

Edited October 19, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

You haven't played smart all season Joe. It's very disappointing as fans to see you display such brilliance at times then the rest of the time you play like you've don't even know what you're doing. That said, I will also defend that you have but one true WR in Smith Sr and 3 good TE's but outside of that you don't have anyone to throw to.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

i hope he doesnt. i hope they cut him actually. then go out and get the $500K/year QB that you all want and a bunch of receivers that he wont do anything with, so you all can see what a bad quarterback actually looks like (since for some reason or another nobody got a good picture the first 12 years) and yall can stop coming for Joe's (quite reasonable, especially given what he's had to work with most of the time and his success despite) contract.

P.S.: we're still paying Ray Rice and Haloti Ngata about $18M or so right now. Joe is at least still on the team.

 

Don't forget Jones $2.7 million to play for the Chargers this year as well...

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

8th year and Flacco's play is still dictated by his coordinator. Kubiak finally got the back foot issue corrected last year, and this year he regresses right back. In his 8th year he should be running the show...HE'S NOT! I try my best to ride for Flacco but the sheer fact that he cannot elevate a no name offense yet concerns me. When Brady lost Moss and a handfull of other players, he created Gronk and made names for no names such as Edlemen. Rodgers lose players every year and makes no names look good. But yet all I keep hearing is how we need to surround Flacco with weapons. While I do agree, if you're being paid 120 million, you need to be able to adjust to the FO's not so smart conditions. And for the love of God stop with the stupid interceptions!!!

 

Your statement isn't exactly true!  Brady didn't create Gronk; Gronk was that way in college and that's why the drafted him.  To give Brady a big aggressive TE.  Rodgers doesn't exactly make no names look good either, Randal Cobb - he'd be good where ever he went, much like Steve Smith Sr looks good here.  It's the caliber of player these other QB's have and which our offense lacks!  Brown and Aiken didn't even hack it on other teams practice squads and yet our FO thinks they are starters.  SMDH  

 

I had to record the game yesterday; so my 9 year old son and I are watching the game and halfway through the second quarter he looks at me and says "Dad, I can tell we lost can you put something else on?"  I paused it, called up the Ravens score and sure enough we did - he said, "I could tell, they look horrible."  - He's 9!!!!!! 

[Postmanbe]

I have to ask, do anyone notice after flacco get picked how stupid he looks, its like he's saying to his self

"DID I DO DAT" and the nerve of him to come out and say " it was a team thing, he's the one throwing the ball! come on flacco take the heat your self for once, your the main reason why where in this situation.

[riseNConquer81]

8th year and Flacco's play is still dictated by his coordinator.

i have news for you: Peyton Manning is the only man in the league that plays like Peyton Manning. that's why he's "Peyton Manning."

Peyton Manning's play is not a standard. he is an outlier. an exception. Only a fool thinks every quarterback in the league is gonna grow up and be Peyton Manning.

Every quarterback in the league has somebody calling plays for them...that includes Brady.

When Brady lost Moss and a handfull of other players, he created Gronk and made names for no names such as Edlemen. Rodgers lose players every year and makes no names look good. But yet all I keep hearing is how we need to surround Flacco with weapons. While I do agree, if you're being paid 120 million, you need to be able to adjust to the FO's not so smart conditions. And for the love of God stop with the stupid interceptions!!!

1) nobody made gronk. gronk can go anywhere in the league and be gronk. Same with edelman.

2) I suspect that almost anybody not in a Ravens uniform is a "no name" to you, so you're not saying much. There are no "no names" on Rodgers' or Brady's team.

3) Joe hasnt received $120M of anything, and wont before he gets a new contract in the 2016 off season. Stop with the contract talk already...

[birdseye]

Flacco has sucked this year, bottom line.... He hasn't been good in any stat category, and not in the win cateogry that every ravens fans uses as the basis for the Elite conversation. Dont give me the no weapons excuse. SSS is a legit #1 wideout, no matter his age. Crockett is a very good tight end. Our O-line and Forsett have been very good. Flacco has not been very good, or even a little bit good this year. Him and Trestman dont have the chemistry Kubs and Joe did obviously. I don't know who is more to blame

[slowboater]

Tom has a super model wife who made $47 million dollars last year.  Are you suggesting that Joe should should get a divorce and marry for money so he can be as "team oriented" as Tom?

On the contrary. He is entitled to make what he can. Just like all of us. If the market for an erratic QB who will wow you one moment and cause you a heart attack ten minutes later is $20+? So be it. The Ravens found out this year what a dead cap hit of $20M will do to a team. And now that the Ravens are locked in, restructure or not to Joe for years, don't expect a quick turn-around to their fortunes. They owe him lots of money, as they deferred much of his guaranteed money to the back end and owe him more bonus money each year. It will be tough to surround Joe with quality veteran receivers. Looks like the rookies and scrubs from other teams will have to do..... Hence my argument that this mess will takes years to correct.

[CodeSpyder]

Flacco isn't nearly as good this year as he has been in the past. I hope he finally works with his full compliment of wide receivers this off season, because you never know when one will go down and he needs to have that chemistry with all of them. Also, message to wide receivers - get open. But even then, Flacco has not been accurate with his throws. Don't get me wrong, he's our guy, but our guy needs to realize that he better get off the snide and improve.

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

i have news for you: Peyton Manning is the only man in the league that plays like Peyton Manning. that's why he's "Peyton Manning."

Peyton Manning's play is not a standard. he is an outlier. an exception. Only a fool thinks every quarterback in the league is gonna grow up and be Peyton Manning.

Every quarterback in the league has somebody calling plays for them...that includes Brady.

1) nobody made gronk. gronk can go anywhere in the league and be gronk. Same with edelman.

2) I suspect that almost anybody not in a Ravens uniform is a "no name" to you, so you're not saying much. There are no "no names" on Rodgers' or Brady's team.

3) Joe hasnt received $120M of anything, and wont before he gets a new contract in the 2016 off season. Stop with the contract talk already...

This dude has blinders on, last week he was telling me what a good year Flacco's having and no one can prove he's not.

[January J]

This dude has blinders on, last week he was telling me what a good year Flacco's having and no one can prove he's not.

well technically he's on pace to throw for well over 4000 yards and that would be a career high. And that's with one 36 year old weapon. But he obviously has been throwing far too many interceptions. But playing devils advocate If his other receivers would get open he wouldn't have to attempt to squeeze the ball in such tight windows and wouldn't have to force feed Steve smith. And more importantly if the defense would actually hold a lead he wouldn't have nearly as many attempts. But yeah there was no excuse for that one interception the other day. Edited October 21, 2015 by January J