[News] John Harbaugh: People Can Scoff, We Will Fight

[rmcjacket23]

Chuck Pagono is waiting right around the corner. 

I have no idea why people think Pagano is a quality HC in this league...

 

I haven't seen anything to suggest that.

[Flamengo1265]

"we will fight".....starting when? With our secondary and pass rush it's gonna take more than fight.

[riseNConquer81]

aahhh but that's the thing Harbaugh...even if we're only missing the threshold by the slimmest of margins: we really can't compete. we're just short enough on talent to get close and have no cigar. That'll probably be the story for the rest of the season.

Just find a way to beat the steelers again and ill be happy enough with that. If we go 2-14 and both Ws are on pittsburgh, they can say NOTHING to us regardless of how bad the rest of the season was lol.

[riseNConquer81]

John, of course people are scoffing!! We are 1 and 5!!! What else needs to be said. How many "years" has everyone scoffed at the Browns, Miami etc. When you lose people lose respect and interest. This is the problem I have with this guy he lives in some other world

We are the fans, we don't lost interest and yes we are spoiled rotten, so what?? I see no real reason or excuse why we shouldn't continue to be. Are New Yorkers spoiled with the Yankee's, or New England with the Pat's? We expect this team to win. When you make statements like we have to play better -- Expect that to happen. We're the fans excuse us if we act like fans.

you almost have a point, except that you guys are pretty much always scoffing even when we're running deep in the playoffs for 7 years straight.

a lot of you are always complaining adn have spent half a decade or so trying to get Harbaugh, or Flacco, or Pees, or all three and mnore fired for really no reason at all; so its hard to take yall seriously, and i definitely wouldnt be apologizing to any of you either...for those of you who are saying that should be a thing.

gotta be kidding me, apologize?

My head coach doesnt get paid to apologize, what fan in their right mind would want to see that?! that mkaes no sense. what is that gonna do?? that gets no one anything. move around yall.

[Ravenshine]

@Ravenshine no offense, but I'm not really sure where you come off. Yes, you're entitled to your opinion, but telling those of us fans who are disgusted with what we see on the field this year, that WE suck? We pay our money, and spend our time watching the same team you do. That means we have a right to call garbage what it is: garbage. And quite frankly, what are you talking about "Rankings"? Power Rankings? Because we're rightly ranked near dead last. Our D is ranked 25th. I'm really not sure what ranking you're talking about. Because the only "ranking" that matters, is that we are dead last in the AFC North, and while we're technically tied with JAX and KC as the worst team in the AFC, NFL.com lists as as dead last. No matter how you spin it, this team sucks this year. Worse than any Ravens squad I've watched, because they play with no heart. They don't play like they want to win, which is precisely why they haven't won all these "close" games. A GOOD Ravens team could have or arguably would have won all of those games, yes. But good is not what the 2015 Ravens are, and it's time for people to just accept that.

Well, I wasn't first off talking about all fans, but the ones rather, who are so hateful towards this team. Some fans are quite positive, even despite the losing record, so, yes, every fan has an opinion, and that's my opinion so it's just as valid. Tho yes, I took an extreme angle at some people... Because those people were being extremely hateful at the Ravens organization which has been for years a winning organization. Every football franchise has bad years, fans who go ballistic over that are fair weather fans who...suck.

The ranking of no. 7 is overall offensive yards. On ESPN site.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Ravenshine

[Ravenshine]

I agree. We're young. With Sizzle out there is a void because he was the leader out there, although I don't think anyone will ever match Ray and Ed. We were blessed for so many seasons with their leadership. Hopefully someone will step up and fill that void to some extent. Let's go Ravens! Get it done!

Same here BillyD, I'm waiting...hoping for a big leader to step up and fire up this team. Young players yes...and they'll do much better under leadership. Now they are all playing kinda confused mostly...that's their youth and inexperience I think. The leader doesn't have to be exactly like Ray, or Ed etc in personality, except that alpha male drive to rise and conquer. Agree Suggs had that and the damn Broncos ended that option for us.

[BillyD]

I can't believe what I'm reading here. People actually want Harbaugh gone? Lets get some perspective here folks, You don't fire a head coach after 1 bad season. Thats what the bad organizations do. Thats what the Browns, the Raiders, and the Jets of the NFL do. I know you can't just rest on past accomplishments but that is not the answer. I'm fine with getting rid of Peas tho, the defense has never been very good ever since Chuck Pagano left us. Blame can be shared everywhere on the team but injuries have BURIED us this year. May seem like a cop out but thats the true culprit this year. Yes, the team does have some clear issues but there are no quick fixes right now. The season is obviously lost but don't expect them to be this bad next year. The front office has done too good of a job in the past for us to lose faith in them now. 1 bad season doesn't mean you fire everyone. Lets not be like spoiled New England fans, keep your heads up.

I think Harbs is the right guy for the job.  It is frustrating hearing the same storyline week in and week out, but what is he going to do, get up to the podium and say, "Yeah, we stink.  Players stink.  Too many injuries.  Coaches aren't cutting it.", etc, etc, etc?  He's doing his job with regards to how he relates to the media.  Who knows what his tone is in the locker room, at practice, in film sessions, what he's saying to players and coached at The Castle.  I'm sure that he is holding everyone accountable. But I understand people being frustrated.

 

I don't like Pees.  Never have and never will.  Some folks on here think he makes lemonade out of lemons.  I just disagree.  So I would be happy to see him go.  Just don't know if that's the direction the org is going to take when the time comes.

 

Trestman isn't lighting it up either.  But then again, he's the 4th OC in a s many seasons.  Not to mention the fact we have no playmakers outside of SSS.  Forsett is good, but banged up.  Taliaferro is out.  We have Buck Allen who is young and inexperienced and some other guys we picked up off the waiver wire/brought up from the practice squad.  There is a reason those guys were out there, so I'm not expecting big things.  Marlon Brown is just not showing up.  Aiken shows flashes, but is inconsistent.  The TEs are a good group, but also young.  The best two in Pitta and Gilmore are banged up.  All things considered, averaging about 24 points a game isn't all that bad.  But there's no consistency on offense, which is troubling.

 

So many factors resulting in a frustrating season so far.  Just hope we get guys healthy and figure something out moving forward. 

Edited October 20, 2015 by BillyD

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@riseNConquer81

Hey your entitled to your opinion. I have always believed you get what you settle for. If you don't strive for excellence why bother. Mr Harbaugh was a mediocre special teams guy and he is a mediocre head coach. He has had a ton of help with getting this team to the playoffs. Now he no longer has the people the depth, the leaders to hid his lack of skill. I am not beat up on the man. I believe he is a good decent man. He's just not a "good" head coach. He has not earned the level of arrogance he displays. Maybe a losing season will shake him up and he'll grow up - maybe not..... (JMHO)

[BillyD]

Yes, the Browns loss really hurt...a home game that we really should have won. That was a downer after coming off the win @ Pittsburg. Then after losing to Browns we lose to 49 ers...stupid mistakes cost us that game. If we keep making those kinds of mistakes, yes, count the team out. If they finally get a grip on things, count us in. We will have to see. The next few games decide everything. Maybe even jobs. But I'm not in a hurry to push out Harbs...law of averages he's had more winning seasons than losing, by far.

Yep, Harbs has won more than he's lost.  And a lot of those wins were with an entirely different roster with draft picks that came from the BIllick era.  And there were some of his own as well who were good payers and were contributing that we have lost as a result of cap space issues.  I think the org is going to give Harbs a pretty long leash because of his record, and who knows, things could turn around this season.  I hope so.  I'm just curious to see how this all shakes out and if he has a plan moving forward.  Hard to get your original plan accomplished when half of your pay roll is either out or on IR.  Makes it really tough to win with new guys filling every week for experienced guys who have gone down. 

 

As far as the OC and DC go, not sure either has that long of a leash.  But this is a patient organization, thankfully, so I would think Bisciotti will let it play out and see what happens.  I think if anyone goes it'll be the DC, but that's just my opinion.

[Ravenshine]

Yep, Harbs has won more than he's lost.  And a lot of those wins were with an entirely different roster with draft picks that came from the BIllick era.  And there were some of his own as well who were good payers and were contributing that we have lost as a result of cap space issues.  I think the org is going to give Harbs a pretty long leash because of his record, and who knows, things could turn around this season.  I hope so.  I'm just curious to see how this all shakes out and if he has a plan moving forward.  Hard to get your original plan accomplished when half of your pay roll is either out or on IR.  Makes it really tough to win with new guys filling every week for experienced guys who have gone down. 

 

As far as the OC and DC go, not sure either has that long of a leash.  But this is a patient organization, thankfully, so I would think Bisciotti will let it play out and see what happens.  I think if anyone goes it'll be the DC, but that's just my opinion.

Agree. So many things happening with this team right now. You summed it up really well, my thoughts have been much the same. I think the biggest shake up to this team is the unfortunate injuries. Really significant players getting these long term injuries is so hard to recover from week by week. Sure, Harbs and others say it's no excuse, because they have to stay positive and not make excuses, but injuries hands down change team dynamics. With Forsett for example, we had the ball in red zone, had he not hurt his ankle, he may have run it in next down or two for TD, we win the game. But he goes out and sure, another player should have gotten it done. But point being the injuries happen at worst times and to the best players, at a time when all we have been able to rely on are a few key players.

So, Bisciotti may very well exercise such patience because of the stream of bad luck that is 'not entirely' the cause of our string of losses, but the fact that those injuries DO add insult to injury... literally. Get this team healthy and they still keep losing...that would cause a shake up in the coaching staff for sure. Yes, most are unhappy with DC, and I can't decide on that who's to blame for the defenses gaffes. I tend to think it's just lack of leadership (that kick-some-butt mentality) to drive the other defensive players to perform better at their positions and assignments.

[BillyD]

Agree. So many things happening with this team right now. You summed it up really well, my thoughts have been much the same. I think the biggest shake up to this team is the unfortunate injuries. Really significant players getting these long term injuries is so hard to recover from week by week. Sure, Harbs and others say it's no excuse, because they have to stay positive and not make excuses, but injuries hands down change team dynamics. With Forsett for example, we had the ball in red zone, had he not hurt his ankle, he may have run it in next down or two for TD, we win the game. But he goes out and sure, another player should have gotten it done. But point being the injuries happen at worst times and to the best players, at a time when all we have been able to rely on are a few key players.

So, Bisciotti may very well exercise such patience because of the stream of bad luck that is 'not entirely' the cause of our string of losses, but the fact that those injuries DO add insult to injury... literally. Get this team healthy and they still keep losing...that would cause a shake up in the coaching staff for sure. Yes, most are unhappy with DC, and I can't decide on that who's to blame for the defenses gaffes. I tend to think it's just lack of leadership (that kick-some-butt mentality) to drive the other defensive players to perform better at their positions and assignments.

You hit the nail on the head @Ravenshine.  With regards to Pees, personally I've never liked him as a DC. Just not a fan of the "bend don't break". Nearly cost us a SB.  But we did win, in the end.  But that's just my opinion, others feel differently and like Pees.  At the end of the day if we were winning and the D was holding up or the O was completing late game winning drives none of this would be an issue.  And, you're right, to top it off while the team is competing and fighting their tails off, another key player gets carted off the field.  It makes matters worse.  We missed opportunities early in the season when we were mostly healthy with both offensive and defensive gaffes.  And as the season wears on and those gaffes might be corrected in a particular area, BOOM, someone goes down and we're back at square one.  I'm still pulling though.  I have faith that these guys are gonna find a way to get some wins.  And hopefully in that process a new leader is going to step up!